Would it be okay to ask everyone who is in the watercooler to show their name in the member list? Or am I the only one who feels uncomfortable not knowing who is listening in?
Louise Brodnitz
|
Re: Bluestone sidewalks salvaged, but by whom?
In a message dated 6/5/2000 11:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmosier@... writes: We finally received a favorable response indicating that the Town has no plans to replace bluestone sidewalks except in > those cases where safety is an issue (ramp access to the sidewalk). As they say on "The Sopranos," wid all doo respec.... That's great! Thanks to the HPC for advocating the preservation of bluestone sidewalks. However, the question still remains ... who is salvaging these sidewalks? The Park Street project is a case in point. They have been removed. But by whom? Who has benefitted from salvaging them? Were they -- even though worth a lot on the open market -- just discarded? Hard to believe. Private property owners have the responsibility to maintain the sidewalks, as I understand it. It is one of the reasons why we are losing them at such an alarming rate. I have been told that some iInsurance companies have informed homeowners that they will not cover liability resulting injuries sustained by tripping on displaced sidewalk flags. Therefore, homeowners ... rather than re-setting the stones ... resort to what has proved to be a relatively short-term solution: replacing them with concrete sidewalks. Concrete has a useful life, in this climate, of 20-30 years. Bluestone, if properly set, a useful life of 200+ years. The problems with bluestone have to do with uneven settlement and displacement by tree roots, which causes them to crack. By resetting them, you can get another 100 yrs useful life. AND you have the added property value resulting from "historic ambiance" -- yes, intangible, but valuable nonetheless. I think that some public education on this issue would alert property owners -- and the township -- as to the intrinsic value of these historic materials. Mary
|
In a message dated 6/5/2000 10:03:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wesegil@... writes: Would it be okay to ask everyone who is in the watercooler to show their name in the member list? I think it's a great idea. I think you have to "modify your profile" but will check. I hope that all the new members who signed up today will introduce themselves to everyone. Mary
|
Yes, another two fortunate individuals have joined the Watercooler.
Welcome to Orfee and lsw39!
Mary
|
Hi, folks.... we're increasing in size by leaps and bounds.
New members today:
jmosier sweattc Chree hivish ES3062
Welcome to you all. Feel free to check the archives for past discussions and/or jump right in! Got a hot topic that has been on your mind?
Mary
|
Bluestone sidewalks salvaged, but by whom?
The Park Street curb project is finally nearing completion, and it looks great. I have some questions, though ... perhaps someone on this list has the answer to them.
As part of the street improvement, concrete accessability ramps were installed at the corners along Park St. (a good thing) and some of the bluestone sidewalk flags had to be removed. For many weeks they remained carefully stacked at the corners. Now they are gone.
Who did they belong to -- the township or the property owner? Who took them away? Did the township remove them to storage so that it could replace damaged stones elsewhere? Did it/owners sell them? Did the project contractor just take them away to sell or use in other projects.
The bluestone sidewalks add to the historic character of our older neighborhoods. Not only that, they are worth a lot of MONEY! What is happening to these important township assets?
Mary
|
A new member has joined the group: <thekurse@...> Welcome. Please tell those around the Watercooler about yourself!
The Moderator
|
Re: Broadening the conversation
Bucky Schnarr,mail=schnarr@... Don Zief,mail=racsam@... Bill Farlie,mail=WNFarlie@... Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@... Ed Remsen,mail=REMSENWILE@... David Love,mail=davelove@... Deborah Herr,mail=dherr@... Herb Githens,mail=archijazz@... Jerry Mosier,mail=mosier@... Julie Marchini,mail=marchini@... Mary Krugman,mail=mdk10@... Michael Zichelli,mail=zichelm@... Ralph Cestone,mail=rcestone@... Terry Reidy,mail=tjreidy1@... Greorge Louvis,mail=chree@... Sonjui Lal-Kumar,mail=Sonjui@... jeanne barker,mail=jeanne_barker@... Irene Rottenberg,mail=abeyond@... Rich McMahon,mail=richmcmahon@... Kathy Hivish,mail=Hivish@... George Meredith,mail=georgem@... Al Davis,mail=Stim4al@... Bill Armstrong,mail=wga@... Joel Saunders,mail=jvsanders@... Mike Hayes,mail=twowriters@... Marc Rosenberg,mail=marc.rosenberg@... Jim Del Rossi,mail=semplice98@... Jessica Pearson,mail=mess33@... Elaine Rust,mail=Erust@... Paul Cote,mail=cotecom@... Steve Rust (home),mail=srust1@... Mike Gera,mail=mgera@... Rhonda Peters,mail=RPeters215@... Peter Ryby,mail=montclairbookcenter@... Joanne Murphy,mail=joanne@... Rocco Miscia,mail=rmiscia@... Bill Sakas,mail=DECOBILL@... Bob Shannon,mail=bshannon@... David Farrington,mail=dfarrington@... Dino Eulette,mail=flybynitegallery@... Martin Fitzpatrick,mail=martyfitz6@... Nancy Hutchinson,mail=harnanh@... Jean Kidd,mail=jeankidd@... Deborah Gussoff,mail=dsig@... Stuart Keil,mail=keilspharmacy@... Dennis Mylan,mail=magarch@... Anne Damianos,mail=satimage@... Bob Stanton,mail=soccer@... Kathleen La Poff,mail=theultimatevent@... Carole Kurilla,mail=therapMWKS@... Joyce Goldman,mail=jlgxx@... Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@... Steve Rust,mail=sr@... Joseph Borak,mail=GBJB.worldnet.att.net Andrew Kemeny,mail=kemeny@... Gregg Deehan,mail=gregorius7@... LaToya McCoy,mail=toya07043@... Kathe Callahan,mail=kathe@... Bill Adelson,mail=pocomania@... Sigrid Lindo,mail=siglindo@... Jean Clark,mail=senecacl@... carole lane,mail=carolelane@... -- Kevin Allen Principal Designer Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated klad@...
973.744.6352.v 201.280.3841.c
|
Re: Broadening the conversation
How do we invite people, just send them to e-groups or thru MDK?
-- Kevin Allen Principal Designer Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated klad@...
973.744.6352.v 201.280.3841.c
|
Broadening the conversation
As we wait to see whether or not the Montclair Times, either officially or unofficially, is interested in joining the conversation (and, is it possible to tell the number of people who read the postings without otherwise participating?), I think it would be valuable to expand the dialogue. Mary sent out many initial invitations. Those of us who responded first tend to be a group who, regardless of point of view, are eager to voice opinions. What about getting other folks on board?
|
Re: Broadening the conversation
In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@... writes: How do we invite people, just send them to e-groups or thru MDK? People can sign up by going to <> Look for "Join a Group" on the home page. You just plug in MtcWatercooler in the search box, click on "Search," and up it comes. To sign up, just follow the instructions -- it's pretty simple for those who are on the Internet a lot, but for those who are less familiar with it and have trouble, I will be happy to sign them up. If they want to change their password or add to their profile, they can always do that later. Mary
|
Re: Broadening the conversation
In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:53:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@... writes: Bucky Schnarr,mail=schnarr@... Don Zief,mail=racsam@... Bill Farlie,mail=WNFarlie@... Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@... Ed Remsen,mail=REMSENWILE@...
etc etc etc Hey, Kevin! Lots of interesting folks on your list. Why don't you send them all a version of the invite I sent to Kathy Havish? Perhaps better from you as a happy user than me (as the instigator) ... -- Ms. Spam-0-matic
|
Re: Broadening the conversation
In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:09:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JESSICAdeK@... writes: (and, is it possible to tell the number of people who read the postings without otherwise participating?), There are currently 9 members of this list. 6 of the 9 have posted messages in during the 1st month. I hope others will jump in when they feel like it. Mary
|
Invitation to join the Montclair Watercooler list
Ms. Hivish:
I understand that you are the publisher of the Montclair Times. I would like to invite you and Mark Porter, editor of the paper, to join this discussion group that touches local public issues, town history, personal observations, and other topics related to life in Montclair. Recently a discussion came up about the Montclair Times, which I thought might interest both you and Mark.
Current listmembers include Jessica DeKoninck (outgoing Councilor for the 2nd Ward), Terry Reidy (Town Manager), Kevin Allen (former Chamber of Commerce President), Adriana O'Toole (realtor, former candidate for town council, and former president of just about everything in town!), Louise Dunford Brodnitz (architect and member of the Historic Preservation Commission), and several other residents of Montclair.We would welcome the participation of the Montclair Times!
As moderator, I posted the introduction to the list when it first was established. There is an online archive of the first month of postings, which you can find at under "MtcWatercooler." If you have trouble finding us, please contact me and I will be happy to help you.
Unfortunately, I do not have Mark Porter's email address. Perhaps you could either forward this to him or send me his address?
Mary Krugman ____________________________________ Mary Delaney Krugman Associates, Inc. Historic Preservation Consultants 36 Park Street Montclair, NJ 07042 (973) 746-2810 (973) 746-2599 (fax)
--------------- forwarded message ------------
Subj: [MtcWatercooler] Why the Watercooler? Date: 5/7/2000 11:23:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: MDK10@... (Mary Krugman) Reply-to: <A href="mailto:MtcWatercooler@...">MtcWatercooler@egroups .com</A> To: MtcWatercooler@...
For a long time, many of us who live and work in Montclair have been sharing ideas about town affairs over the back fence. It is sometimes difficult to learn about what the larger community is thinking.
Meetings of the Council, the Planning Board, Zoning Board and other bodies are often at night and difficult for many of us to attend on a regular basis. The Montclair Times -- our only local newspaper -- tries to keep citizens informed and room for letters to the editor, but space is limited and often we are left hungry for more information. Our local volunteer cable station broadcasts some town meetings, but there is a long lag time between the dates the meetings are held and when they appear on the air and -- although the volunteer effort is greatly appreciated -- the sound quality makes it difficult to hear the proceedings and the programs never seem to appear at a time when many of us tend to turn on the TV. As a result, there is an information gap as far as local issues are concerned.
Enter the Watercooler. Here interested folks can discuss their interests and concerns as much (or as little) as they like. You can even just sit by and listen ... although it is much more fun to participate. All viewpoints can be shared on a timely basis.
Watercooler is a fully moderated list, which means that inappropriate language, personal or damaging comments, or other kinds of destructive material will not be posted to the list. Yes, it's me who will filter this material, so you are going to have to trust me on this.... I will do my best. If you have a problem with anything, let me know immediately. I will take steps to try to correct it.
Finally, membership in this list is governed by the Terms of Service posted on the eGroups site -- our host. Please make sure that you read it. You will locate it through the eGroups homepage,
I expect opinions on this list will range across a wide spectrum, reflecting Montclair's essential nature as a diverse community. Most of all, I hope that this will serve to bring us together in a positive way.
So, enjoy yourself, respect your neighbors, and bring your ideas to the Montclair Watercooler. I look forward to your participation.
Mary Krugman Moderator
###
|
While I think it is worth a try, they are both "company" people and i am nit sure how they will feel about this free wheeling exchange.
I still say invite them, but i wonder what the results.
-- Kevin Allen Principal Designer Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated klad@...
973.744.6352.v 201.280.3841.c
|
Or will we see tremendous defense? MDK10@... wrote: In a message dated 6/3/2000 6:22:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TJREIDY1@... writes:
.inviting her and Mark would greatly benefit this conversation.........................terry Roger willco. I'll send one to Kathy -- maybe she can give me Mark's.
Mary
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Free @Backup service! Click here for your free trial of @Backup. @Backup is the most convenient way to securely protect and access your files online. Try it now and receive 300 MyPoints.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MtcWatercooler-unsubscribe@... -- Kevin Allen Principal Designer Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated klad@... 973.744.6352.v 201.280.3841.c
|
In a message dated 6/3/2000 10:28:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@... writes: While I think it is worth a try, they are both "company" people and I am nit sure how they will feel about this free wheeling exchange. Some people -- especially those in the public eye -- may be more comfortable "lurking"for awhile ... Mark has been somewhat defensive about criticism of the Times in the past (I am thinking about the letter to the editor about the lack of local news coverage and his response ... was it last year?). I think if he sees the purpose of this list as "spirited discussion" (and the fact that we don't bite ... well, maybe just nibble a bit) maybe he and others will feel OK about it. -- Mary (the Nosher) Krugman
|
seek and ye shall find.......................
|
Either is revealing and gets us closer to the solution....................
|
I forgot about that. And I agree with the point about bergen.com. I don't think it's any more or less insulting than answering the phone "North Jersey Community News." The first time it happened to me, I thought I'd dialed the wrong number. -- Kevin Allen Principal Designer Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated klad@... 973.744.6352.v 201.280.3841.c
|