¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

ctrl + shift + ? for shortcuts
© 2025 Groups.io
Date

Names

Louise Brodnitz
 

Would it be okay to ask everyone who is in the watercooler to show
their name in the member list? Or am I the only one who feels
uncomfortable not knowing who is listening in?

Louise Brodnitz


Re: Bluestone sidewalks salvaged, but by whom?

 

In a message dated 6/5/2000 11:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jmosier@... writes:

We finally received a favorable response indicating that the Town has no
plans to replace bluestone sidewalks except in > those cases where safety is
an issue (ramp access to the sidewalk).

As they say on "The Sopranos," wid all doo respec....

That's great! Thanks to the HPC for advocating the preservation of bluestone
sidewalks. However, the question still remains ... who is salvaging these
sidewalks? The Park Street project is a case in point. They have been
removed. But by whom? Who has benefitted from salvaging them? Were they --
even though worth a lot on the open market -- just discarded? Hard to believe.

Private property owners have the responsibility to maintain the sidewalks, as
I understand it. It is one of the reasons why we are losing them at such an
alarming rate. I have been told that some iInsurance companies have informed
homeowners that they will not cover liability resulting injuries sustained by
tripping on displaced sidewalk flags. Therefore, homeowners ... rather than
re-setting the stones ... resort to what has proved to be a relatively
short-term solution: replacing them with concrete sidewalks.

Concrete has a useful life, in this climate, of 20-30 years. Bluestone, if
properly set, a useful life of 200+ years. The problems with bluestone have
to do with uneven settlement and displacement by tree roots, which causes
them to crack. By resetting them, you can get another 100 yrs useful life.
AND you have the added property value resulting from "historic ambiance" --
yes, intangible, but valuable nonetheless.

I think that some public education on this issue would alert property owners
-- and the township -- as to the intrinsic value of these historic materials.

Mary


Re: Names

 

In a message dated 6/5/2000 10:03:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wesegil@... writes:

Would it be okay to ask everyone who is in the watercooler to show
their name in the member list?
I think it's a great idea. I think you have to "modify your profile" but will
check. I hope that all the new members who signed up today will introduce
themselves to everyone.

Mary


new Members

 

Yes, another two fortunate individuals have joined the Watercooler.

Welcome to Orfee and lsw39!

Mary


New Members

Mary Krugman
 

Hi, folks.... we're increasing in size by leaps and bounds.

New members today:

jmosier
sweattc
Chree
hivish
ES3062

Welcome to you all. Feel free to check the archives for past
discussions and/or jump right in! Got a hot topic that has been on
your mind?

Mary


Bluestone sidewalks salvaged, but by whom?

 

The Park Street curb project is finally nearing completion, and it looks
great. I have some questions, though ... perhaps someone on this list has
the answer to them.

As part of the street improvement, concrete accessability ramps were
installed at the corners along Park St. (a good thing) and some of the
bluestone sidewalk flags had to be removed. For many weeks they remained
carefully stacked at the corners. Now they are gone.

Who did they belong to -- the township or the property owner? Who took them
away? Did the township remove them to storage so that it could replace
damaged stones elsewhere? Did it/owners sell them? Did the project contractor
just take them away to sell or use in other projects.

The bluestone sidewalks add to the historic character of our older
neighborhoods. Not only that, they are worth a lot of MONEY! What is
happening to these important township assets?

Mary


new member

Mary Krugman
 

A new member has joined the group: <thekurse@...> Welcome. Please
tell those around the Watercooler about yourself!

The Moderator


Re: Broadening the conversation

Kevin Allen
 

Bucky Schnarr,mail=schnarr@...
Don Zief,mail=racsam@...
Bill Farlie,mail=WNFarlie@...
Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@...
Ed Remsen,mail=REMSENWILE@...
David Love,mail=davelove@...
Deborah Herr,mail=dherr@...
Herb Githens,mail=archijazz@...
Jerry Mosier,mail=mosier@...
Julie Marchini,mail=marchini@...
Mary Krugman,mail=mdk10@...
Michael Zichelli,mail=zichelm@...
Ralph Cestone,mail=rcestone@...
Terry Reidy,mail=tjreidy1@...
Greorge Louvis,mail=chree@...
Sonjui Lal-Kumar,mail=Sonjui@...
jeanne barker,mail=jeanne_barker@...
Irene Rottenberg,mail=abeyond@...
Rich McMahon,mail=richmcmahon@...
Kathy Hivish,mail=Hivish@...
George Meredith,mail=georgem@...
Al Davis,mail=Stim4al@...
Bill Armstrong,mail=wga@...
Joel Saunders,mail=jvsanders@...
Mike Hayes,mail=twowriters@...
Marc Rosenberg,mail=marc.rosenberg@...
Jim Del Rossi,mail=semplice98@...
Jessica Pearson,mail=mess33@...
Elaine Rust,mail=Erust@...
Paul Cote,mail=cotecom@...
Steve Rust (home),mail=srust1@...
Mike Gera,mail=mgera@...
Rhonda Peters,mail=RPeters215@...
Peter Ryby,mail=montclairbookcenter@...
Joanne Murphy,mail=joanne@...
Rocco Miscia,mail=rmiscia@...
Bill Sakas,mail=DECOBILL@...
Bob Shannon,mail=bshannon@...
David Farrington,mail=dfarrington@...
Dino Eulette,mail=flybynitegallery@...
Martin Fitzpatrick,mail=martyfitz6@...
Nancy Hutchinson,mail=harnanh@...
Jean Kidd,mail=jeankidd@...
Deborah Gussoff,mail=dsig@...
Stuart Keil,mail=keilspharmacy@...
Dennis Mylan,mail=magarch@...
Anne Damianos,mail=satimage@...
Bob Stanton,mail=soccer@...
Kathleen La Poff,mail=theultimatevent@...
Carole Kurilla,mail=therapMWKS@...
Joyce Goldman,mail=jlgxx@...
Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@...
Steve Rust,mail=sr@...
Joseph Borak,mail=GBJB.worldnet.att.net
Andrew Kemeny,mail=kemeny@...
Gregg Deehan,mail=gregorius7@...
LaToya McCoy,mail=toya07043@...
Kathe Callahan,mail=kathe@...
Bill Adelson,mail=pocomania@...
Sigrid Lindo,mail=siglindo@...
Jean Clark,mail=senecacl@...
carole lane,mail=carolelane@...
--
Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated
klad@...

973.744.6352.v
201.280.3841.c


Re: Broadening the conversation

Kevin Allen
 

How do we invite people, just send them to e-groups or thru MDK?

--
Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated
klad@...

973.744.6352.v
201.280.3841.c


Broadening the conversation

 

As we wait to see whether or not the Montclair Times, either
officially or unofficially, is interested in joining the conversation
(and, is it possible to tell the number of people who read the
postings without otherwise participating?), I think it would be
valuable to expand the dialogue. Mary sent out many initial
invitations. Those of us who responded first tend to be a group who,
regardless of point of view, are eager to voice opinions. What about
getting other folks on board?


Re: Broadening the conversation

 

In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@...
writes:

How do we invite people, just send them to e-groups or thru MDK?
People can sign up by going to <> Look for "Join a
Group" on the home page. You just plug in MtcWatercooler in the search box,
click on "Search," and up it comes.

To sign up, just follow the instructions -- it's pretty simple for those who
are on the Internet a lot, but for those who are less familiar with it and
have trouble, I will be happy to sign them up. If they want to change their
password or add to their profile, they can always do that later.

Mary


Re: Broadening the conversation

 

In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:53:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@...
writes:


Bucky Schnarr,mail=schnarr@...
Don Zief,mail=racsam@...
Bill Farlie,mail=WNFarlie@...
Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@...
Ed Remsen,mail=REMSENWILE@...
etc etc etc

Hey, Kevin! Lots of interesting folks on your list. Why don't you send them
all a version of the invite I sent to Kathy Havish? Perhaps better from you
as a happy user than me (as the instigator) ...

-- Ms. Spam-0-matic


Re: Broadening the conversation

 

In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:09:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JESSICAdeK@... writes:

(and, is it possible to tell the number of people who read the
postings without otherwise participating?),
There are currently 9 members of this list. 6 of the 9 have posted messages
in during the 1st month. I hope others will jump in when they feel like it.

Mary


Invitation to join the Montclair Watercooler list

 

Ms. Hivish:

I understand that you are the publisher of the Montclair Times. I would like
to invite you and Mark Porter, editor of the paper, to join this discussion
group that touches local public issues, town history, personal observations,
and other topics related to life in Montclair. Recently a discussion came up
about the Montclair Times, which I thought might interest both you and Mark.

Current listmembers include Jessica DeKoninck (outgoing Councilor for the 2nd
Ward), Terry Reidy (Town Manager), Kevin Allen (former Chamber of Commerce
President), Adriana O'Toole (realtor, former candidate for town council, and
former president of just about everything in town!), Louise Dunford Brodnitz
(architect and member of the Historic Preservation Commission), and several
other residents of Montclair.We would welcome the participation of the
Montclair Times!

As moderator, I posted the introduction to the list when it first was
established. There is an online archive of the first month of postings, which
you can find at under "MtcWatercooler." If you have
trouble finding us, please contact me and I will be happy to help you.

Unfortunately, I do not have Mark Porter's email address. Perhaps you could
either forward this to him or send me his address?

Mary Krugman
____________________________________
Mary Delaney Krugman Associates, Inc.
Historic Preservation Consultants
36 Park Street
Montclair, NJ 07042
(973) 746-2810
(973) 746-2599 (fax)

--------------- forwarded message ------------

Subj: [MtcWatercooler] Why the Watercooler?
Date: 5/7/2000 11:23:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: MDK10@... (Mary Krugman)
Reply-to: <A href="mailto:MtcWatercooler@...">MtcWatercooler@egroups
.com</A>
To: MtcWatercooler@...

For a long time, many of us who live and work in Montclair have been
sharing ideas about town affairs over the back fence. It is sometimes
difficult to learn about what the larger community is thinking.

Meetings of the Council, the Planning Board, Zoning Board and other
bodies are often at night and difficult for many of us to attend on a
regular basis. The Montclair Times -- our only local newspaper --
tries to keep citizens informed and room for letters to the editor,
but space is limited and often we are left hungry for more
information. Our local volunteer cable station broadcasts some town
meetings, but there is a long lag time between the dates the meetings
are held and when they appear on the air and -- although the
volunteer effort is greatly appreciated -- the sound quality makes it
difficult to hear the proceedings and the programs never seem to
appear at a time when many of us tend to turn on the TV. As a result,
there is an information gap as far as local issues are concerned.

Enter the Watercooler. Here interested folks can discuss their
interests and concerns as much (or as little) as they like. You can
even just sit by and listen ... although it is much more fun to
participate. All viewpoints can be shared on a timely basis.

Watercooler is a fully moderated list, which means that inappropriate
language, personal or damaging comments, or other kinds of
destructive material will not be posted to the list. Yes, it's me who
will filter this material, so you are going to have to trust me on
this.... I will do my best. If you have a problem with anything, let
me know immediately. I will take steps to try to correct it.

Finally, membership in this list is governed by the Terms of Service
posted on the eGroups site -- our host. Please make sure that you
read it. You will locate it through the eGroups homepage,


I expect opinions on this list will range across a wide spectrum,
reflecting Montclair's essential nature as a diverse community. Most
of all, I hope that this will serve to bring us together in a
positive way.

So, enjoy yourself, respect your neighbors, and bring your ideas to
the Montclair Watercooler. I look forward to your participation.

Mary Krugman
Moderator

###


Re: The Montclair Times

Kevin Allen
 

While I think it is worth a try, they are both "company" people and i am
nit sure how they will feel about this free wheeling exchange.

I still say invite them, but i wonder what the results.

--
Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated
klad@...

973.744.6352.v
201.280.3841.c


Re: The Montclair Times

Kevin Allen
 

Or will we see tremendous defense?




MDK10@... wrote:

In a message dated 6/3/2000 6:22:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
TJREIDY1@... writes:

.inviting her and Mark would greatly benefit this
conversation.........................terry
Roger willco. I'll send one to Kathy -- maybe she can give me Mark's.

Mary

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free @Backup service! Click here for your free trial of @Backup.
@Backup is the most convenient way to securely protect and access
your files online. Try it now and receive 300 MyPoints.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
MtcWatercooler-unsubscribe@...
--
Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated
klad@...

973.744.6352.v
201.280.3841.c


Re: The Montclair Times

 

In a message dated 6/3/2000 10:28:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@...
writes:

While I think it is worth a try, they are both "company" people and I am
nit sure how they will feel about this free wheeling exchange.
Some people -- especially those in the public eye -- may be more comfortable
"lurking"for awhile ... Mark has been somewhat defensive about criticism of
the Times in the past (I am thinking about the letter to the editor about the
lack of local news coverage and his response ... was it last year?).

I think if he sees the purpose of this list as "spirited discussion" (and the
fact that we don't bite ... well, maybe just nibble a bit) maybe he and
others will feel OK about it.

-- Mary (the Nosher) Krugman


Re: The Montclair Times

 

seek and ye shall find.......................


Re: The Montclair Times

 

Either is revealing and gets us closer to the solution....................


Re: The Montclair Times

Kevin Allen
 

I forgot about that.





And I agree with the point about bergen.com. I don't think it's
any more or less insulting than answering the phone "North Jersey
Community News." The first time it happened to me, I thought I'd
dialed the wrong number.





--
Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated
klad@...

973.744.6352.v
201.280.3841.c