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Mary Krugman
 

A new member has joined the group: <thekurse@...> Welcome. Please
tell those around the Watercooler about yourself!

The Moderator


Re: Broadening the conversation

Kevin Allen
 

Bucky Schnarr,mail=schnarr@...
Don Zief,mail=racsam@...
Bill Farlie,mail=WNFarlie@...
Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@...
Ed Remsen,mail=REMSENWILE@...
David Love,mail=davelove@...
Deborah Herr,mail=dherr@...
Herb Githens,mail=archijazz@...
Jerry Mosier,mail=mosier@...
Julie Marchini,mail=marchini@...
Mary Krugman,mail=mdk10@...
Michael Zichelli,mail=zichelm@...
Ralph Cestone,mail=rcestone@...
Terry Reidy,mail=tjreidy1@...
Greorge Louvis,mail=chree@...
Sonjui Lal-Kumar,mail=Sonjui@...
jeanne barker,mail=jeanne_barker@...
Irene Rottenberg,mail=abeyond@...
Rich McMahon,mail=richmcmahon@...
Kathy Hivish,mail=Hivish@...
George Meredith,mail=georgem@...
Al Davis,mail=Stim4al@...
Bill Armstrong,mail=wga@...
Joel Saunders,mail=jvsanders@...
Mike Hayes,mail=twowriters@...
Marc Rosenberg,mail=marc.rosenberg@...
Jim Del Rossi,mail=semplice98@...
Jessica Pearson,mail=mess33@...
Elaine Rust,mail=Erust@...
Paul Cote,mail=cotecom@...
Steve Rust (home),mail=srust1@...
Mike Gera,mail=mgera@...
Rhonda Peters,mail=RPeters215@...
Peter Ryby,mail=montclairbookcenter@...
Joanne Murphy,mail=joanne@...
Rocco Miscia,mail=rmiscia@...
Bill Sakas,mail=DECOBILL@...
Bob Shannon,mail=bshannon@...
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Dino Eulette,mail=flybynitegallery@...
Martin Fitzpatrick,mail=martyfitz6@...
Nancy Hutchinson,mail=harnanh@...
Jean Kidd,mail=jeankidd@...
Deborah Gussoff,mail=dsig@...
Stuart Keil,mail=keilspharmacy@...
Dennis Mylan,mail=magarch@...
Anne Damianos,mail=satimage@...
Bob Stanton,mail=soccer@...
Kathleen La Poff,mail=theultimatevent@...
Carole Kurilla,mail=therapMWKS@...
Joyce Goldman,mail=jlgxx@...
Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@...
Steve Rust,mail=sr@...
Joseph Borak,mail=GBJB.worldnet.att.net
Andrew Kemeny,mail=kemeny@...
Gregg Deehan,mail=gregorius7@...
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Kathe Callahan,mail=kathe@...
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Re: Broadening the conversation

Kevin Allen
 

How do we invite people, just send them to e-groups or thru MDK?

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Broadening the conversation

 

As we wait to see whether or not the Montclair Times, either
officially or unofficially, is interested in joining the conversation
(and, is it possible to tell the number of people who read the
postings without otherwise participating?), I think it would be
valuable to expand the dialogue. Mary sent out many initial
invitations. Those of us who responded first tend to be a group who,
regardless of point of view, are eager to voice opinions. What about
getting other folks on board?


Re: Broadening the conversation

 

In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@...
writes:

How do we invite people, just send them to e-groups or thru MDK?
People can sign up by going to <> Look for "Join a
Group" on the home page. You just plug in MtcWatercooler in the search box,
click on "Search," and up it comes.

To sign up, just follow the instructions -- it's pretty simple for those who
are on the Internet a lot, but for those who are less familiar with it and
have trouble, I will be happy to sign them up. If they want to change their
password or add to their profile, they can always do that later.

Mary


Re: Broadening the conversation

 

In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:53:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@...
writes:


Bucky Schnarr,mail=schnarr@...
Don Zief,mail=racsam@...
Bill Farlie,mail=WNFarlie@...
Dave McGuire,mail=Dkmcelt@...
Ed Remsen,mail=REMSENWILE@...
etc etc etc

Hey, Kevin! Lots of interesting folks on your list. Why don't you send them
all a version of the invite I sent to Kathy Havish? Perhaps better from you
as a happy user than me (as the instigator) ...

-- Ms. Spam-0-matic


Re: Broadening the conversation

 

In a message dated 6/4/2000 4:09:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JESSICAdeK@... writes:

(and, is it possible to tell the number of people who read the
postings without otherwise participating?),
There are currently 9 members of this list. 6 of the 9 have posted messages
in during the 1st month. I hope others will jump in when they feel like it.

Mary


Invitation to join the Montclair Watercooler list

 

Ms. Hivish:

I understand that you are the publisher of the Montclair Times. I would like
to invite you and Mark Porter, editor of the paper, to join this discussion
group that touches local public issues, town history, personal observations,
and other topics related to life in Montclair. Recently a discussion came up
about the Montclair Times, which I thought might interest both you and Mark.

Current listmembers include Jessica DeKoninck (outgoing Councilor for the 2nd
Ward), Terry Reidy (Town Manager), Kevin Allen (former Chamber of Commerce
President), Adriana O'Toole (realtor, former candidate for town council, and
former president of just about everything in town!), Louise Dunford Brodnitz
(architect and member of the Historic Preservation Commission), and several
other residents of Montclair.We would welcome the participation of the
Montclair Times!

As moderator, I posted the introduction to the list when it first was
established. There is an online archive of the first month of postings, which
you can find at under "MtcWatercooler." If you have
trouble finding us, please contact me and I will be happy to help you.

Unfortunately, I do not have Mark Porter's email address. Perhaps you could
either forward this to him or send me his address?

Mary Krugman
____________________________________
Mary Delaney Krugman Associates, Inc.
Historic Preservation Consultants
36 Park Street
Montclair, NJ 07042
(973) 746-2810
(973) 746-2599 (fax)

--------------- forwarded message ------------

Subj: [MtcWatercooler] Why the Watercooler?
Date: 5/7/2000 11:23:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: MDK10@... (Mary Krugman)
Reply-to: <A href="mailto:MtcWatercooler@...">MtcWatercooler@egroups
.com</A>
To: MtcWatercooler@...

For a long time, many of us who live and work in Montclair have been
sharing ideas about town affairs over the back fence. It is sometimes
difficult to learn about what the larger community is thinking.

Meetings of the Council, the Planning Board, Zoning Board and other
bodies are often at night and difficult for many of us to attend on a
regular basis. The Montclair Times -- our only local newspaper --
tries to keep citizens informed and room for letters to the editor,
but space is limited and often we are left hungry for more
information. Our local volunteer cable station broadcasts some town
meetings, but there is a long lag time between the dates the meetings
are held and when they appear on the air and -- although the
volunteer effort is greatly appreciated -- the sound quality makes it
difficult to hear the proceedings and the programs never seem to
appear at a time when many of us tend to turn on the TV. As a result,
there is an information gap as far as local issues are concerned.

Enter the Watercooler. Here interested folks can discuss their
interests and concerns as much (or as little) as they like. You can
even just sit by and listen ... although it is much more fun to
participate. All viewpoints can be shared on a timely basis.

Watercooler is a fully moderated list, which means that inappropriate
language, personal or damaging comments, or other kinds of
destructive material will not be posted to the list. Yes, it's me who
will filter this material, so you are going to have to trust me on
this.... I will do my best. If you have a problem with anything, let
me know immediately. I will take steps to try to correct it.

Finally, membership in this list is governed by the Terms of Service
posted on the eGroups site -- our host. Please make sure that you
read it. You will locate it through the eGroups homepage,


I expect opinions on this list will range across a wide spectrum,
reflecting Montclair's essential nature as a diverse community. Most
of all, I hope that this will serve to bring us together in a
positive way.

So, enjoy yourself, respect your neighbors, and bring your ideas to
the Montclair Watercooler. I look forward to your participation.

Mary Krugman
Moderator

###


Re: The Montclair Times

Kevin Allen
 

While I think it is worth a try, they are both "company" people and i am
nit sure how they will feel about this free wheeling exchange.

I still say invite them, but i wonder what the results.

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Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
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Re: The Montclair Times

Kevin Allen
 

Or will we see tremendous defense?




MDK10@... wrote:

In a message dated 6/3/2000 6:22:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
TJREIDY1@... writes:

.inviting her and Mark would greatly benefit this
conversation.........................terry
Roger willco. I'll send one to Kathy -- maybe she can give me Mark's.

Mary

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Re: The Montclair Times

 

In a message dated 6/3/2000 10:28:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@...
writes:

While I think it is worth a try, they are both "company" people and I am
nit sure how they will feel about this free wheeling exchange.
Some people -- especially those in the public eye -- may be more comfortable
"lurking"for awhile ... Mark has been somewhat defensive about criticism of
the Times in the past (I am thinking about the letter to the editor about the
lack of local news coverage and his response ... was it last year?).

I think if he sees the purpose of this list as "spirited discussion" (and the
fact that we don't bite ... well, maybe just nibble a bit) maybe he and
others will feel OK about it.

-- Mary (the Nosher) Krugman


Re: The Montclair Times

 

seek and ye shall find.......................


Re: The Montclair Times

 

Either is revealing and gets us closer to the solution....................


Re: The Montclair Times

Kevin Allen
 

I forgot about that.





And I agree with the point about bergen.com. I don't think it's
any more or less insulting than answering the phone "North Jersey
Community News." The first time it happened to me, I thought I'd
dialed the wrong number.





--
Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated
klad@...

973.744.6352.v
201.280.3841.c


Re: The Montclair Times

 

-
Kathy Hivish, the publisher is hivish@b... so Mark Porter might be
porter@b...

Or montclairtimes.com

I find the bergen.com address insulting, but I am sensitive.

--

First, my thanks to Kevin and to Terry for their messages. Second,
has anyone tried sending e-mail to Mark Porter? In a conversation I
had with him not that long ago, he didn't have e-mail. I know he got
a new computer. Perhaps the situation has changed.

And I agree with the point about bergen.com. I don't think it's
any more or less insulting than answering the phone "North Jersey
Community News." The first time it happened to me, I thought I'd
dialed the wrong number.
201.28


Re: The Montclair Times

 

In a message dated 6/3/2000 6:22:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
TJREIDY1@... writes:

.inviting her and Mark would greatly benefit this
conversation.........................terry
Roger willco. I'll send one to Kathy -- maybe she can give me Mark's.

Mary


Re: The Montclair Times

 

Dear gang,

My experience so far is that Kathy Hivish is a down to earth rock 'em sock
'em individual...........inviting her and Mark would greatly benefit this
conversation.........................terry


Re: The Montclair Times

Kevin Allen
 

IMHO, Cindy often went too far, and there was real conflict in POV
between the publisher and editorial.

Now the pendulum has swung back Waaaaaaay the other direction.

Kathy Hivish, the publisher is hivish@... so Mark Porter might be
porter@...

Or montclairtimes.com

I find the bergen.com address insulting, but I am sensitive.

--
Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated
klad@...

973.744.6352.v
201.280.3841.c


Re: The Montclair Times

 

In a message dated 6/1/2000 9:26:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klad@...
writes:

The owners of the newspaper have no respect
for the readers and believe that what we need is a shopper.
It seems that the mega-publisher likes feel-good entertainment/society news.
This is what made people not want to read the Times in the first place. Cindy
Smith, former editor, really made a great effort to bring important issues to
the readers. Let's have more of that! Maybe the Mark Porter, current editor,
would like to join the Watercooler discussions -- dare he? Anyone know his
email -- we could invite him!

Mary


Re: The Montclair Times

Kevin Allen
 

correction

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Kevin Allen
Principal Designer
Kevin Lee Allen Design, Incorporated
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