Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025
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OK, send me a link when you have things set up. ?
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Subject: Re: [MadFox] Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025 #cal-reminder? We're going to meet at Jim's place. I'll bring my laptop and we can livestream. ? On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 10:33?AM Stein Goering via <sgoering=[email protected]> wrote: Cliff has another project so will not be going. ? I¡¯m debating about making the drive myself.? Maybe connect to the livestream? ? --sg ? From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Eric Selje via
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Subject: Re: [MadFox] Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025 #cal-reminder ? ? I plan on coming. On 3/17/2025 5:30 PM, Group Notification wrote: Reminder: MadFox Monthly Meetup When:
Tuesday, March 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-05:00) America/Chicago Where:
Sauk City Library Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567 View Event Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025
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We're going to meet at Jim's place. I'll bring my laptop and we can livestream.
E
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 10:33?AM Stein Goering via <sgoering= [email protected]> wrote: Cliff has another project so will not be going. ? I¡¯m debating about making the drive myself.? Maybe connect to the livestream? ? --sg ? From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Eric Selje via
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 09:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MadFox] Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025 #cal-reminder ? ? I plan on coming. On 3/17/2025 5:30 PM, Group Notification wrote: Reminder: MadFox Monthly Meetup When:
Tuesday, March 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-05:00) America/Chicago Where:
Sauk City Library Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567 View Event Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025
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Cliff has another project so will not be going. ? I¡¯m debating about making the drive myself.? Maybe connect to the livestream? ? --sg ?
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Subject: Re: [MadFox] Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025 #cal-reminder? ? I plan on coming. On 3/17/2025 5:30 PM, Group Notification wrote: Reminder: MadFox Monthly Meetup When:
Tuesday, March 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-05:00) America/Chicago Where:
Sauk City Library Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567 View Event Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025
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I plan on coming.
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Reminder:
MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, March 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-05:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything
development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we
talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development,
Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the
meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join
us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025
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I plan on coming.
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Reminder:
MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, March 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-05:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything
development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we
talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development,
Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the
meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join
us online.
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Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025
#cal-reminder
Reminder: MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, March 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-05:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, March 18, 2025
#cal-reminder
Reminder: MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, March 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-05:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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OK, I will have to say that the CoPilot attempt at a secure Node
Express server handling multiple apps was spot on, including certs
& keys - would need some flushing out, but it was clean,
concise, and would work right out of the box. Perhaps with more
iterations and refinements it would do everything you might want.
We didn't have time to try something like proxying - I like to do
this with CouchDB so that it is being served locally and not
accessible from outside. Or maybe setting up logging. These are
cleanly done in node and maybe CoPilot could handle this 'No
Problemo'.
HOWEVER, I think that most Angular developers would be
disappointed with the result. The code really didn't follow normal
structure, also had wierd stuff stuck here and there and would
need a lot of scrutiny and fixing to be comfortable with it.
Angular's scaffolding generates a clean app and generating
components, directives, and services is pretty simple. The CouchDB
service was bare, just returning observables and did not handle
errors. We did ask it to have the db service return promises
instead of observables, but it croaked on this. I would say that
we are not CoPilot experts in the least and a lot of study and
testing might improve our result but it might be easier to just
use Angular's toolset and do the app.
We also had trouble getting front-end output to conform to
material design and I think it should really understand this.
We didn't ask for a complex app and maybe I'll play with this and
see how it handles an app with routing containing child routes and
how well it does separating state into some service and how well
it deals with signal(), effect(), and model() and how it handles
passing data between components (when I get some time...).
So using CoPilot one can code using normal english but when it
comes to classes, interfaces, front-end presentation, logic, etc -
you still have to SAY IT with enough exact precision to get a
result - why not just code it. If someone has time, see how it
handles a rust app, I'd be very interested...
I guess I don't see this getting rid of ER, DFD & state
diagrams or somehow eliminating the tough work of getting an app
out of design.
This is a somewhat scary tool - just watch the movie 'Wall.e' to
see what we might become...!
Anyway, was a good meeting and the 'Chicago Dog' was fine indeed
(really was COLD though)...
On 2/19/25 10:53 AM, Eric Selje via
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Despite the frigid
Wisconsin cold, we had a good meeting last night.?
I demonstrated VS
Code's new CoPilot features. To test it we asked the AI to
create an angular app from scratch w/ some special
attributes, including connecting to a CouchDB server. It
took a few refinements to get a result that we liked, and
Cliff is convinced he could have cranked one out quicker
with the command line but that's because he's an
experienced Angular dev. I know I couldn't have.?
We also had it
create a simple multi-app node.js application, which it
scaffolded quite nicely. We tested a few iterations of
code edits, accepting or rejecting its suggestions.
Overall a very impressive beginning to what will certainly
revolutionize coding. We've already heard that there are
companies who are no longer hiring junior devs, as a
senior dev embellished with these AI tools are more
productive. It's an interesting time to be starting your
developer career.
Afterwards we drove
down to Hot Dog Avenue for some Chicago dogs and more. I
still have heartburn from the chili.
See ya next month,
in what will be the beginning of our 31st year!
Eric
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Despite the frigid Wisconsin cold, we had a good meeting last night.?
I demonstrated VS Code's new CoPilot features. To test it we asked the AI to create an angular app from scratch w/ some special attributes, including connecting to a CouchDB server. It took a few refinements to get a result that we liked, and Cliff is convinced he could have cranked one out quicker with the command line but that's because he's an experienced Angular dev. I know I couldn't have.?
We also had it create a simple multi-app node.js application, which it scaffolded quite nicely. We tested a few iterations of code edits, accepting or rejecting its suggestions. Overall a very impressive beginning to what will certainly revolutionize coding. We've already heard that there are companies who are no longer hiring junior devs, as a senior dev embellished with these AI tools are more productive. It's an interesting time to be starting your developer career.
Afterwards we drove down to Hot Dog Avenue for some Chicago dogs and more. I still have heartburn from the chili.
See ya next month, in what will be the beginning of our 31st year!
Eric
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Now: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, February 18, 2025
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MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, February 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, February 18, 2025
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Yes. We've got room E reserved at 5:30.
Suak...?
On 2/18/25 8:39 AM, Eric Selje via
wrote:
I'll be there. I've
even got a little something to demo.
Talked with Stein yesterday - we plan to go if we have? a
quorum.
On 2/17/25 5:30 PM, Group Notification wrote:
Reminder:
MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, February 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about
anything development related. We started as a FoxPro
group but now we talk about even more: Web Development,
Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other
databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to
livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP
if you'd like to join us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, February 18, 2025
#cal-reminder
Suak...?
On 2/18/25 8:39 AM, Eric Selje via
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I'll be there. I've
even got a little something to demo.
Talked with Stein yesterday - we plan to go if we have? a
quorum.
On 2/17/25 5:30 PM, Group Notification wrote:
Reminder:
MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, February 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about
anything development related. We started as a FoxPro
group but now we talk about even more: Web Development,
Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other
databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to
livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP
if you'd like to join us online.
|
Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, February 18, 2025
#cal-reminder
I'll be there. I've even got a little something to demo.
Talked with Stein yesterday - we plan to go if we have? a quorum.
On 2/17/25 5:30 PM, Group Notification
wrote:
Reminder:
MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, February 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything
development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we
talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development,
Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the
meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join
us online.
|
Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, February 18, 2025
#cal-reminder
Talked with Stein yesterday - we plan to go if we have? a quorum.
On 2/17/25 5:30 PM, Group Notification
wrote:
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Reminder:
MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, February 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything
development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we
talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development,
Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the
meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join
us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, February 18, 2025
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Sorry, but I have a conflict tomorrow and won't make the meeting.
On 2/17/2025 5:30 PM, Group
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Reminder:
MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, February 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything
development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we
talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development,
Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the
meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join
us online.
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Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, February 18, 2025
#cal-reminder
Reminder: MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, February 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, February 18, 2025
#cal-reminder
Reminder: MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, February 18, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Now: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, January 21, 2025
#cal-notice
MadFox Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, January 21, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, January 21, 2025
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Sounds good.? Clif, I will head your way shortly. ?
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Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2025 01:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [MadFox] Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, January 21, 2025 #cal-reminder? Ok we are booked for Cross Plains at 5:30. I can even be there a little early. If anyone's reading this and wants to join us virtually, let me know and I'll send you the code. ? cross plains ? On 1/21/25 12:16 PM, Eric Selje via wrote: Sauk City is closed due to staffing issues. Cross Plains or Prairie du Sac? ? On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 10:44?AM Eric Selje via <eric.selje=[email protected]> wrote: We have room E reserved at 5:30. Doublechecking whether the library is open today since schools are closed, but I'm on a call right now. I don't see anything indicating they're closed on their website. ? On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 10:30?AM Stein Goering via <sgoering=[email protected]> wrote: Cliff and I will be riding together (and providing much of the programming?)? ??I can demo the Sister City app which is finally in production. ? We are for sure in Sauk City, right? ? From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Eric Selje via
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2025 07:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MadFox] Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, January 21, 2025 #cal-reminder ? ? Reminder: MadFox Monthly Meetup When:
Tuesday, January 21, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago Where:
Sauk City Library Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567 View Event Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We can talk about anything development related. We started as a FoxPro group but now we talk about even more: Web Development, Mobile Development, Music, SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will try to livestream the meeting as well thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to join us online.
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Re: Event: MadFox Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, January 21, 2025
#cal-reminder
Ok we are booked for Cross Plains at 5:30. I can even be there a little early.
If anyone's reading this and wants to join us virtually, let me know and I'll send you the code.
cross plains
On 1/21/25 12:16 PM, Eric Selje via
wrote:
Sauk City is closed due to staffing issues. Cross
Plains or Prairie du Sac?
E
On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at
10:44?AM Eric Selje via <eric.selje= [email protected]>
wrote:
We have room E
reserved at 5:30. Doublechecking whether the library is
open today since schools are closed, but I'm on a call
right now. I don't see anything indicating they're
closed on their website.
E
On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at
10:30?AM Stein Goering via
<sgoering= [email protected]>
wrote:
Cliff
and I will be riding together (and providing
much of the programming?)? ??I can demo the
Sister City app which is finally in
production.
?
We
are for sure in Sauk City, right?
?
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On Behalf Of Eric Selje via
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PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MadFox] Event: MadFox
Monthly Meetup - Tuesday, January 21, 2025
#cal-reminder
?
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Reminder: MadFox
Monthly Meetup
When:
Tuesday, January 21, 2025
5:30pm to 8:00pm
(UTC-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Sauk City Library
Organizer:
Eric Selje
eric.selje@...
608-213-9567
View
Event
Description:
Join us for our monthly get together. We
can talk about anything development
related. We started as a FoxPro group but
now we talk about even more: Web
Development, Mobile Development, Music,
SQL Server and other databases, etc.
We are meeting in person again, but will
try to livestream the meeting as well
thanks to Aceware!? RSVP if you'd like to
join us online.
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Eric Selje
cliff