Eric - you are likely correct. Like word processors, what ever you know you swear by and not, swear at - ala Word Star hell and Word Imperfect DOS.
However, each language likely has strengths and VFP would be its focus on data and the ease that one can hybred between pure opps and pure procedural.
I'll spill more stuff here as I build the case.
I do appreicate the thought.
Here's one other observation - and I'm not sure what's it's due to - but I find Java "boring" and VFP exciting.
Peter d.
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I believe it's supported until 2010 if they froze development at VFP8, but new versions extend that time.
The question that needs to be asked is, what's the best tool for the job?
And as much as I love VFP, I'd bet if you knew Java as well you'd be nearly as productive.
E
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Eric - you are likely correct. Like word processors, what ever you know you swear by and not, swear at - ala Word Star hell and Word Imperfect DOS.
However, each language likely has strengths and VFP would be its focus on data and the ease that one can hybred between pure opps and pure procedural.
I'll spill more stuff here as I build the case.
I do appreicate the thought.
Here's one other observation - and I'm not sure what's it's due to - but I find Java "boring" and VFP exciting.
Peter d.
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I believe it's supported until 2010 if they froze development at VFP8, but new versions extend that time.
The question that needs to be asked is, what's the best tool for the job?
And as much as I love VFP, I'd bet if you knew Java as well you'd be nearly as productive.
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Awesome Dave - thanks for the help.
I'll give them a look.
Peter d.
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Peter,
I Googled "VFP Success Stories" and got some of these:
And this is on the MS site:
and here is their support policy:
;[ln];lifecycle
Hope some of these links help.
-= Dave
David F. Lorentzen
Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab
University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
600 Highland Ave
Madison, WI 53792-2472
-----Original Message-----
From: PJ Fernandez [mailto:pfernandez@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:01 AM
To: Madfox_Vfp@Yahoogroups. Com
Subject: [madfox_vfp] RAD
"My company has J2EE as a standard. Although a number of VFP apps exist for both Desktop and Intra-Web? in the Engineering division, it's not a "standard" so is slowly sinking. Does anyone recall any published studies talking about the development time of VFP over say a J2EE tool. Or, of RAD ability with VFP in general? I'm building a case - sort of the last stand - my own Little BigHorn? here. PeterDiotte"
Well Peter D.,
I have the user interface classed to the point of just dropping controls on the form. Coding is only done for assignment of source control and validation before saving.
Anything else is handled by the classes I wrote 3 years ago. This affords me a turnaround of a day to add a new table with a data entry form. I will consider that RAD!
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
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Re: News on Eclipse 3.0 IDE
Good info, thanks.? I didn't realize that the Lotus Workbench was based
on Eclipse but that's interesting.?
Near the end they mention the possibility of merging Eclipse with Sun's
NetBeans (which is also good), but I hope they remain separate and
competitive.? Between them and Visual Studio, development environments
can only get better.? I see there's a Visual SourceSafe plug-in for
Eclipse now too.? Cool.
Eric
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I believe it's supported until 2010 if they froze development at VFP8,
but new versions extend that time.
The question that needs to be asked is, what's the best tool for the
job??
And as much as I love VFP, I'd bet if you knew Java as well you'd be
nearly as productive.
E
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I use the SMTP control from WestWind (which might even be free).?
eMailing is as simple as ....
oMail = NewObject("wwipstuff.smtp")
oMail.cSubject = "This is the subject"
(repeat for other fields)
oMail.Server = (smtp server name)
oMail.Send()
(This may not be precise, as I don't have the helpfile available and
I've actually subclassed this so it reads the servername from a table,
but you get the idea.? Also, it works with any email system.)
Hope this helps,
Eric
Chad J. Lemmer wrote:
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What activex controls (or APIs or
???) is anyone using to send e-mail (with attachments) from VFP ???
?
- Chad J. Lemmer
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Me
too.
-= Dave
David F. Lorentzen
Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab
University of Wisconsin Hospital and
Clinics
600 Highland Ave
Madison, WI? 53792-2472
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Outlook automation ...
?
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
What activex controls (or APIs or ???) is
anyone using to send e-mail (with attachments) from VFP ???
?
- Chad J. Lemmer
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Outlook automation ...
?
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
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What activex controls (or APIs or ???) is anyone
using to send e-mail (with attachments) from VFP ???
?
- Chad J. Lemmer
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Peter,
?
I
Googled "VFP Success Stories" and got some of these:
?
?
?
And
this is on the MS site:
and
here is their support policy:
?
Hope
some of these links help.
-= Dave
David F. Lorentzen
Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab
University of Wisconsin Hospital and
Clinics
600 Highland Ave
Madison, WI? 53792-2472
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"My company has J2EE as a standard. Although a
number of VFP apps exist for both Desktop and Intra-Web
in the Engineering division, it's not a "standard" so is slowly sinking. Does
anyone recall any published studies talking about the development time of VFP
over say a J2EE tool. Or, of RAD ability with VFP in general? I'm building a
case - sort of the last stand - my own Little BigHorn
here. "
Well Peter D.,
?
I have the user
interface classed to the point of just dropping controls on the form.?
Coding is only done for assignment of source control and validation before
saving.
?
Anything else is
handled by the classes I wrote 3 years ago.? This affords me a turnaround
of a day to add a new table with a data entry form.??I will consider
that RAD!
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
?
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PJ -
?
I too have evolved my own framework that directly applies to 80% of the needs by simply setting class properties on the form and the custom controls.
?
However - I need:
?
-More quantified information on VFP dev times
-Fortune 1000 company list that is using VFP
?
also - MSFT guaranteed support until 2008 or 2010 or 2012 for VFP - do you recall which year?
?
Peter d.
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"My company has J2EE as a standard. Although a number of VFP apps exist for both Desktop and Intra-Web in the Engineering division, it's not a "standard" so is slowly sinking. Does anyone recall any published studies talking about the development time of VFP over say a J2EE tool. Or, of RAD ability with VFP in general? I'm building a case - sort of the last stand - my own Little BigHorn here. "
Well Peter D.,
?
I have the user interface classed to the point of just dropping controls on the form.? Coding is only done for assignment of source control and validation before saving.
?
Anything else is handled by the classes I wrote 3 years ago.? This affords me a turnaround of a day to add a new table with a data entry form.??I will consider that RAD!
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
?
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Intllisense code for SEL with dropdown; per Eric
LPARAMETER oFoxCode
LOCAL X, cReturn, nUsed
* Create array of open tables
nUsed =AUSED(aTables)
IF nUsed = 0
* Return a value
oFoxCode.valueType = 'V'
cReturn = 'USE ~'
ELSE
* Tell IntelliSense that you want a dropdown list to appear
oFoxCode.valueType = 'L'
* Build the list using oFoxCode's built in properties
DIMENSION oFoxcode.Items[m.nUsed,2]
FOR i = 1 TO m.nUsed
oFoxcode.Items[m.i,1] = aTables[i, 1]
oFoxcode.Items[m.i,2] = ""
ENDFOR
* Return the prefix for the results of the list
cReturn = "SELECT"
ENDIF
* Return either USE or SELECT <list>
RETURN cReturn
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What activex controls (or APIs or ???) is anyone
using to send e-mail (with attachments) from VFP ???
?
- Chad J. Lemmer
|
"My company has J2EE as a standard. Although a
number of VFP apps exist for both Desktop and Intra-Web
in the Engineering division, it's not a "standard" so is slowly sinking. Does
anyone recall any published studies talking about the development time of VFP
over say a J2EE tool. Or, of RAD ability with VFP in general? I'm building a
case - sort of the last stand - my own Little BigHorn
here. "
Well Peter D.,
?
I have the user
interface classed to the point of just dropping controls on the form.?
Coding is only done for assignment of source control and validation before
saving.
?
Anything else is
handled by the classes I wrote 3 years ago.? This affords me a turnaround
of a day to add a new table with a data entry form.??I will consider
that RAD!
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
?
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Re: MadFox Monthly Meeting, 6/22/2004, 5:30 pm
I'll be there.
?
Jim in Lodi
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:35
AM
Subject: RE: [madfox_vfp] MadFox Monthly
Meeting, 6/22/2004, 5:30 pm
Anybody else?
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
I'll be there.
-= Dave
David F. Lorentzen
Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics
Lab
University of Wisconsin
Hospital and Clinics
600
Highland Ave
Madison,
WI? 53792-2472
Tentative agenda...
???
??? 1.??? Visual
FoxPro 9.0 Beta
??? 2.???
ReFox
?
Any other suggestions are
welcome.
?
I got the soda and cups this
time.
?
? Important call 608-235-6950 instead
of the old number (this time)?
?
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
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Reminder from the | |
MadFox Monthly Meeting
Tuesday June??22?,
2004
5:30 pm - 8:30 pm
This event repeats on the third Tuesday
of every month.
Event Location: PJ's
Place
Street: 222 West Washintong
Ave., Suite 200
City, State, Zip:
Madison, WI 53703
Phone: 608-239-1509
Notes:
222 West Washintong
Ave., Suite 200
Madison, WI 53703
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Re: MadFox Monthly Meeting, 6/22/2004, 5:30 pm
Clif and Stein plan to make the trek…
?
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From: PJ Fernandez
[mailto:pfernandez@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:35 AM
To: madfox_vfp@...
Subject: RE: [madfox_vfp] MadFox
Monthly Meeting, 6/22/2004,
5:30 pm
?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lorentzen David F.
[mailto:DF.LORENTZEN@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:29 AM
To: madfox_vfp@...
Subject: RE: [madfox_vfp] MadFox
Monthly Meeting, 6/22/2004,
5:30 pm
-=
Dave
David F. Lorentzen
Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab
University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
600 Highland Ave
Madison, WI? 53792-2472
-----Original Message-----
From: PJ Fernandez
[mailto:pfernandez@...]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 12:55 PM
To: madfox_vfp@...
Subject: RE: [madfox_vfp] MadFox
Monthly Meeting, 6/22/2004,
5:30 pm
??? 1.???
Visual FoxPro 9.0 Beta
Any other suggestions are welcome.
I got the soda and cups this time.
? Important call 608-235-6950
instead of the old number (this time)?
-----Original Message-----
From: madfox_vfp@...
[mailto:madfox_vfp@...]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:26 PM
To: madfox_vfp@...
Subject: [madfox_vfp] MadFox
Monthly Meeting, 6/15/2004,
5:30 pm
?
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Reminder from the
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MadFox Monthly Meeting
Tuesday June??22?, 2004
5:30 pm - 8:30 pm
This event repeats on the third Tuesday of every month.
Event Location: PJ's
Place
Street: 222 West Washintong Ave., Suite 200
City, State, Zip: Madison, WI
53703
Phone: 608-239-1509
Notes:
222 West Washintong Ave., Suite
200
Madison, WI
53703
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Send a Yahoo! Greeting.
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Set up birthday reminders!
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Copyright
?? 2004 ??All
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Re: MadFox Monthly Meeting, 6/22/2004, 5:30 pm
Anybody else?
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
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I'll
be there.
-= Dave
David F. Lorentzen
Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab
University of Wisconsin Hospital and
Clinics
600 Highland
Ave
Madison, WI?
53792-2472
Tentative agenda...
???
??? 1.??? Visual
FoxPro 9.0 Beta
??? 2.???
ReFox
?
Any other suggestions are
welcome.
?
I
got the soda and cups this time.
?
? Important call 608-235-6950 instead of
the old number (this time)?
?
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
|
Reminder from the | |
MadFox Monthly Meeting
Tuesday June??22?,
2004
5:30 pm - 8:30 pm
This
event repeats on the third Tuesday of every month.
Event Location: PJ's Place
Street: 222 West Washintong Ave., Suite
200
City, State, Zip: Madison, WI 53703
Phone: 608-239-1509
Notes:
222
West Washintong Ave., Suite 200
Madison, WI
53703 |
|
Send a Yahoo!
Greeting. |
|
Set up birthday
reminders! | | | | |
|
Copyright ?? 2004 ??All
Rights Reserved.
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Re: MadFox Monthly Meeting, 6/22/2004, 5:30 pm
I'll
be there.
-= Dave
David F. Lorentzen
Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab
University of Wisconsin Hospital and
Clinics
600 Highland Ave
Madison, WI? 53792-2472
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Tentative agenda...
???
??? 1.??? Visual FoxPro
9.0 Beta
??? 2.???
ReFox
?
Any
other suggestions are welcome.
?
I
got the soda and cups this time.
?
? Important call 608-235-6950 instead of
the old number (this time)?
?
?
P.J. Fernandez, MCSD
608-259-8004 Ext. 255
608-235-6950 (Cell)
|
Reminder from the | |
MadFox Monthly Meeting
Tuesday
June??22?,
2004
5:30 pm - 8:30 pm
This
event repeats on the third Tuesday of every month.
Event
Location: PJ's Place
Street: 222 West
Washintong Ave., Suite 200
City, State,
Zip: Madison, WI 53703
Phone:
608-239-1509
Notes:
222 West Washintong Ave.,
Suite 200
Madison, WI 53703 |
|
Send a Yahoo!
Greeting. |
|
Set up birthday
reminders! | | | | |
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Copyright ?? 2004 ??All
Rights Reserved.
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I haven't, but that looks great!? A complete J2EE development workbench
right on your desktop...very nice!? I was about to install a Tomcat
plug-in for Eclipse for checking out JSPs and Servlets within Eclipse,
but this looks even better.? Thanks for the heads up!
Eric
Foxprotalk@... wrote:
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Eric:
Have you tried Myeclipse plugin? If so - what are your impressions. I've used Eclipse and like it - very well thought out and free. But, it's lacking in JSP viewing, etc - stuff that I've read that MyEclipse takes care of for $30.
peter d.
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