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Re: RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed spindle motor speed controller

Hugh Prescott
 

Do the RC motor controllers use 1mS as off and 2ms full throttle, or
1.5mS is
off, 2mS is full throttle, and 1mS is full reverse.
The transmitters can be set either way to match up with the speed controller. I have never seen a standard published so you should probabbly design for either.

Some do not have reverse and use the full span for forward, most are adjustable by using the ESC programing function built into most of the new ones.

As I understand, a connection to the servo , or motor controller is
by a 3
wire connector, Gnd, +5V and the control signal. For the motor
controllers,
how much current does the +5V connector draw? For a standard servo,
the +5V
supplies the servo power. For a motor controller, my guess is that it
supplies
only a reference or just small amount for the logic circuitry.
Every speed controller I have tested or serviced has SUPPLIED 5 - 6 volts on the +5 wire to run the receiver and other servos. This feature is called a BEC (Battery Elimnator Circut). Amp capacity ranges up to 1 amp on some of the new ESCs.

You do not need to (you may damage the ESC or BEC circut if you do) provide 5 volts to the ESC on the control cable just ground and the standard control signal.

On our bench testers (my design, not commercially available) at work (we own a large hobby shop that does lots of repair work) I installed a separate lead for testing ESC's that does not provide 5 volts but instead applies a variable load and displays the BEC output voltage.

Servo output pulse is a standard 5 volt pulse of 1 - 2 MS occuring every 16 MS.

Hugh


IMS IM483 Vs. Compumotor OEM 650 controlers

 

Hi everyone,
I was hoping to pick someones brain on this. I have two 3 axis motor
controllers, one is made up of IMS IM483's and the other OEM 650's.
The IMS is using a 40vdc power supply and the compumotor is using
thrie 75 vdc OEM 300 power supply all are set to the same resolution.
Now for the question both units turning the same motor the IMS runs
faster and smoother than the OEM 650 the motor's are Vexta 1.4 amp
nema 34's. From everything I have read the OEM 650 at 75vdc should
run the motor faster than the IMS IM483. With the IMS I get about 50
IPM and with the OEM 650 I get less than 12 IPM and lots of chatter
noise. Any clues? Using Mach 3 latest lockdown release and the same
computer to run both, just unplug one and plug up the other.
Thanks
Mike Shell


Re: RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed spindle motor speed controller

 

Peter Homann wrote:

Hi Manu,

I've had a look and I'm fairly sure that I can get the DigiSpeed-XL produce an RC signal that should work fine. I can add it as a mode selected by the mode jumpers.

I have a question. Normally a pulse of 1.5ms centres the RC servo. 2mS is full CW. 1mS is full CCW.

Do the RC motor controllers use 1mS as off and 2ms full throttle, or 1.5mS is off, 2mS is full throttle, and 1mS is full reverse.
I think some of these will be a problem unless you can write a macro to cycle the RC pwm to reset the speed controller out of failsafe.

They tend to have a safety failsafe which requires the sticks to be moved to various positions until bleeps are heard, only then is the device armed.

Some of these motors and controllers can produce wicked power! A friend of mine competes at world level in f5b, and those brushless aveox motors etc with 30 cells produce several horsepower.

I may speak to a friend who designs his own brushed and brushless controllers. He may be able to come up with something more suitable to the cnc cause.

Wayne....

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Re: RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed spindle motor speed controller

 

Wayne,

I'm sure you are correct. From memory, it is also how they set the off position as well.

Cheers,

Peter.

Wayne Weedon wrote:

Peter Homann wrote:

Hi Manu,

I've had a look and I'm fairly sure that I can get the DigiSpeed-XL produce an RC signal that should work fine. I can add it as a mode selected by the mode jumpers.

I have a question. Normally a pulse of 1.5ms centres the RC servo. 2mS is full CW. 1mS is full CCW.

Do the RC motor controllers use 1mS as off and 2ms full throttle, or 1.5mS is off, 2mS is full throttle, and 1mS is full reverse.
I think some of these will be a problem unless you can write a macro to cycle the RC pwm to reset the speed controller out of failsafe.
They tend to have a safety failsafe which requires the sticks to be moved to various positions until bleeps are heard, only then is the device armed.
Some of these motors and controllers can produce wicked power! A friend of mine competes at world level in f5b, and those brushless aveox motors etc with 30 cells produce several horsepower.
I may speak to a friend who designs his own brushed and brushless controllers. He may be able to come up with something more suitable to the cnc cause.
Wayne....
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Re: Driver problem new computer

elaurijsen
 

Hi,

I just reinstalled Windows XP in the normal way, so with ACPI.
Now Mach 3 is running ;-)
It is not as smooth yet as i want but i didn't use the
optimisation-file yet.
Happy that is working again! Thanks for your help.

Cheers,
Eric



--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., art <fenerty@...> wrote:

Hi:

Is the msconfig/startup table empty completely?


Thanks,
Art
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----- Original Message -----
From: "elaurijsen" <elaurijsen@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] Driver problem new computer


Hi all,

I just bought a new computer for Mach3: Pentium 4 3.0 GHz HT with 512
Mb ram. I have installed Windows XP (as a standard pc, so disabled
ACPI)
The LPT-port is running on 378 (=standard value)
When i run the drivertest, i get only a APIC timing constant of 50
and no pulses at all! Also i tried installing Mach2 but got the same
results...
In Device manager the pulse engines for Mach3 and Mach2 are running
correct according to Windows...

I tried disabling Hyperthreading with no result.
I tried setting the LPT-port to output only with no result.

Does someone knows what can be wrong. On my older pc everthing did run
very well (only too slow)... but it was only a Pentium 3 733 MHz...

Does anybody know what to do now?
The computer is a brandnew modern pc so that should be no problem
i think?

Thanks for your help,

Eric








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Re: RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed spindle motor speed controller

 

Hi Manu,

I've had a look and I'm fairly sure that I can get the DigiSpeed-XL produce an RC signal that should work fine. I can add it as a mode selected by the mode jumpers.

I have a question. Normally a pulse of 1.5ms centres the RC servo. 2mS is full CW. 1mS is full CCW.

Do the RC motor controllers use 1mS as off and 2ms full throttle, or 1.5mS is off, 2mS is full throttle, and 1mS is full reverse.

I ask this as there is the direction line into the DigiSpeed-XL. I can use this to put the motor controller into reverse (< 1.5ms)

Or as I suspect, do some motor controllers use 1mS as off with no reverse and others operate as described as above?

As I understand, a connection to the servo , or motor controller is by a 3 wire connector, Gnd, +5V and the control signal. For the motor controllers, how much current does the +5V connector draw? For a standard servo, the +5V supplies the servo power. For a motor controller, my guess is that it supplies only a reference or just small amount for the logic circuitry.

From my research, I can add a 3 pin header connector that the 3 pin servo cable can be plugged into.

BTW, what sort of motor do the RC motor controller drive. I thought they were just small 400 series motors?

I can probably have one ready in a couple of weeks if you are interested.

Cheers,

Peter.



Manu CNC wrote:

Hi Art,
My setup :
Kernel: 25,000Hz
Spindle Base Freq: 50Hz
Min, - Max Pully ration: 1 to 10,000
After scope measurements I get this !
If I set the scope resolution to 2ms/div I do get the correct signal!!
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|_ 2ms/div
0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4
6 8
1 2 3
rpm
200 _||______________________________________||__________________________
300 _||____________________________________||________________________
400 _||___________________________________||________________________
BUT, if I zoom out to 0.2 SECONDS/div I get this: distance between the
pulses 1.5 SECONDS !!!
Zooming into a pulse, I get the signal as above!
rpm
200
_||______________________________________||_________________________________
_________
4000_||___________________||__________
______________
9000_|||
|_____
Mybe my scope is confusing me
Anyway, I also attached a RC-servo motor to it and it moves in an
accelerated way to one extreme, whatever rpm speed setting: start slowly and
accelerate at the end.
I can confirm that an RC-PWM-signal are Pulses of 1 to 2 msec long repeated
every 20-30 msec!
Manu (@manu, manutoys, vantiv)
-----Original Message-----
From: mach1mach2cnc@...
[mailto:mach1mach2cnc@...]On Behalf Of art
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 1:03 AM
To: mach1mach2cnc@...
Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed
spindle motor speed controller
Manu:
Well, if you select 50hz as the base frequency, and set the Max Pulley
ratio to 10,000 and only select speeds from 200 - 400RPM thats abotu what
you woudl get. A 1 - 2ms pulse every 20ms.
:)
Thanks,
Art
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Manu CNC" <mansys@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: [mach1mach2cnc] RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed
spindle motor speed controller

Grrrrrrr,

Is it possible ? yes :-) or no :-/


_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|_ 2ms/div
0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4
6 8
1 2 3
RC-Signal every 20mS generate a pulse between 1ms and 2ms:
10% _||______________________________________||__________________________
50% _||____________________________________||________________________
100%_||___________________________________||________________________


Mach3 signal ?
10% _||______________________________________||__________________________
50%
_||___________________||______________
__________

100%_|||
|_____


Manu (@manu, manutoys, vantiv)
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Re: Slow computer

Steve Blackmore
 

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 07:16:37 +0100, you wrote:


Spent some time yesterday playing with a TaigCNC machine and comparing
Mach3 with the DOS package that normally drives it. The original control
program is running on an old machine that would probably not even load
W2k so I had taken along an ITX box with W2k already installed. Only
problem is that it is an 800MHz C3 processor, but since this is intended
to be an embedded computer to go with the machine nothing else was
installed on it.

Is this likely to be due to the fact that the processor is not fast
enough?
May not be the processor - could be the chipset, especially if it uses
the same Via chipset as in some models of Shuttle. Some work, some just
don't :(

Steve Blackmore
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Re: Slow computer

 

Lester Caine wrote:

Right guys ( and galls? )

Spent some time yesterday playing with a TaigCNC machine and comparing Mach3 with the DOS package that normally drives it. The original control program is running on an old machine that would probably not even load W2k so I had taken along an ITX box with W2k already installed. Only problem is that it is an 800MHz C3 processor, but since this is intended to be an embedded computer to go with the machine nothing else was installed on it.
Lester. What I have heard, but not tried it myself is that the Mini-ITX motherboards with Intel Processors are ok. The Via ones have problems.
Maybe someone else will verify. I'd expect they would all be ok with a G100.

Wayne...

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Re: Slow computer

Lester Caine
 

John PRENTICE wrote:

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Lester Caine <lester@...> wrote:
<snip>
Even slowing things down,
running just 25kHz and slower feed rates we have a decided 'pattern' to the noise from the stepper, like something is sticking every couple of seconds, while the DOS has none even at a faster rate.

Is this likely to be due to the fact that the processor is not fast enough?
I would suspect a periodis Tick in motion is Etherner card set to autonegoitiate 10/100. Try setting it to 10.
Currently no network stuff enabled!

What *IS* the slowest processor speed that will work cleanly - or is the less than smooth pulse generation a 'facet' of using windows?
No you can get immaculate results 1000s of users demonstrate that.
When I get the machine over here I'll run things up on the scope ;)

Given the quality of work that the machine CAN produce, any pattern to the axis movement is likely to affect the surface finish.
Processor speed not likely to affect finish etc. If you run out of cycle then it all chokes up. GUI goes slow (or stopped).
Less than regular pulse train will affect finish, but if people are saying that should not happen ...

1 GHZ is certainly OK for me but struggles running Modbus and a big Macropump.
I'd probably be looking at a bigger machine if I wanted more inputs, but that is the point when G100 comes into the equation anyway.

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Re: Slow computer

Lester Caine
 

davidimurray wrote:

Have you checked the parallel port output voltage? A lot of laptops and modern desktops now seem to put out only 3.8V instead of the 5V your driver board probably needs.
I'm seeing 5V, but as I said to John, I'll check that on the scope when I have the machine in the workshop here.
The thing I'm trying to sort out is what problems will happen if I'm just supplying the MicroMill without a computer, and the DOS package is less demanding than Mach ;)

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Re: Slow computer

 

Replies intersperesed below

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Lester Caine <lester@...> wrote:
<snip>
Even slowing things down,
running just 25kHz and slower feed rates we have a
decided 'pattern' to
the noise from the stepper, like something is sticking every couple
of
seconds, while the DOS has none even at a faster rate.

Is this likely to be due to the fact that the processor is not fast
enough?
I would suspect a periodis Tick in motion is Etherner card set to
autonegoitiate 10/100. Try setting it to 10.

What *IS*
the slowest processor speed that will work cleanly - or is the less
than
smooth pulse generation a 'facet' of using windows?
No you can get immaculate results 1000s of users demonstrate that.

Given the quality of
work that the machine CAN produce, any pattern to the axis movement
is
likely to affect the surface finish.
Processor speed not likely to affect finish etc. If you run out of
cycle then it all chokes up. GUI goes slow (or stopped).

1 GHZ is certainly OK for me but struggles running Modbus and a big
Macropump.

John Prentice


Re: Slow computer

 

Hi Lester

Have you checked the parallel port output voltage? A lot of laptops
and modern desktops now seem to put out only 3.8V instead of the 5V
your driver board probably needs.

Cheers

Dave

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Lester Caine <lester@...>
wrote:

Right guys ( and galls? )

Spent some time yesterday playing with a TaigCNC machine and
comparing
Mach3 with the DOS package that normally drives it. The original
control
program is running on an old machine that would probably not even
load
W2k so I had taken along an ITX box with W2k already installed.
Only
problem is that it is an 800MHz C3 processor, but since this is
intended
to be an embedded computer to go with the machine nothing else was
installed on it.

Operation from the DOS program is smooth and clean, but running
the same
tests in Mach3 give a number of problems. Even slowing things
down,
running just 25kHz and slower feed rates we have a
decided 'pattern' to
the noise from the stepper, like something is sticking every
couple of
seconds, while the DOS has none even at a faster rate.

Is this likely to be due to the fact that the processor is not
fast
enough? Neither of my laptops have parallel ports, so I could not
hook
them up, and the desk machines are rack mounted, so until I can
get a
machine over here it's difficult to try a faster processor. What
*IS*
the slowest processor speed that will work cleanly - or is the
less than
smooth pulse generation a 'facet' of using windows? Given the
quality of
work that the machine CAN produce, any pattern to the axis
movement is
likely to affect the surface finish.

Ideally I would like to include a 1.2 or 1.5Ghz ITX based
processor with
each machine but I am wondering if that will work, or if I am
stuck with
just running DOS and leaving Mach until the G100 or something
similar is
a cost effective alternative :(

I will leave the other problems until I can run things with a
faster
processor ;)

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Model Engineers Digital Workshop -

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Re: RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed spindle motor speed controller

Manu CNC
 

RC-Servo signal:


Manu (@manu, manutoys, vantiv)

-----Original Message-----
From: mach1mach2cnc@...
[mailto:mach1mach2cnc@...]On Behalf Of Manu CNC
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:39 AM
To: mach1mach2cnc@...
Subject: RE: [mach1mach2cnc] RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed
spindle motor speed controller


Hi Art,

My setup :
Kernel: 25,000Hz
Spindle Base Freq: 50Hz
Min, - Max Pully ration: 1 to 10,000

After scope measurements I get this !

If I set the scope resolution to 2ms/div I do get the correct signal!!


_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|_ 2ms/div
0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4
6 8
1 2 3
rpm
200 _||______________________________________||__________________________

300 _||____________________________________||________________________

400 _||___________________________________||________________________


BUT, if I zoom out to 0.2 SECONDS/div I get this: distance between the
pulses 1.5 SECONDS !!!
Zooming into a pulse, I get the signal as above!

rpm
200
_||______________________________________||_________________________________
_________

4000_||___________________||__________
______________

9000_|||
|_____

Mybe my scope is confusing me

Anyway, I also attached a RC-servo motor to it and it moves in an
accelerated way to one extreme, whatever rpm speed setting: start slowly and
accelerate at the end.

I can confirm that an RC-PWM-signal are Pulses of 1 to 2 msec long repeated
every 20-30 msec!


Manu (@manu, manutoys, vantiv)


-----Original Message-----
From: mach1mach2cnc@...
[mailto:mach1mach2cnc@...]On Behalf Of art
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 1:03 AM
To: mach1mach2cnc@...
Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed
spindle motor speed controller


Manu:

Well, if you select 50hz as the base frequency, and set the Max Pulley
ratio to 10,000 and only select speeds from 200 - 400RPM thats abotu what
you woudl get. A 1 - 2ms pulse every 20ms.
:)

Thanks,
Art
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Manu CNC" <mansys@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: [mach1mach2cnc] RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed
spindle motor speed controller


Grrrrrrr,

Is it possible ? yes :-) or no :-/


_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|_ 2ms/div
0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4
6 8
1 2 3
RC-Signal every 20mS generate a pulse between 1ms and 2ms:
10% _||______________________________________||__________________________
50% _||____________________________________||________________________
100%_||___________________________________||________________________


Mach3 signal ?
10% _||______________________________________||__________________________
50%
_||___________________||______________
__________

100%_|||
|_____


Manu (@manu, manutoys, vantiv)


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Re: RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed spindle motor speed controller

Manu CNC
 

Hi Art,

My setup :
Kernel: 25,000Hz
Spindle Base Freq: 50Hz
Min, - Max Pully ration: 1 to 10,000

After scope measurements I get this !

If I set the scope resolution to 2ms/div I do get the correct signal!!


_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|_ 2ms/div
0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4
6 8
1 2 3
rpm
200 _||______________________________________||__________________________

300 _||____________________________________||________________________

400 _||___________________________________||________________________


BUT, if I zoom out to 0.2 SECONDS/div I get this: distance between the
pulses 1.5 SECONDS !!!
Zooming into a pulse, I get the signal as above!

rpm
200
_||______________________________________||_________________________________
_________

4000_||___________________||__________
______________

9000_|||
|_____

Mybe my scope is confusing me

Anyway, I also attached a RC-servo motor to it and it moves in an
accelerated way to one extreme, whatever rpm speed setting: start slowly and
accelerate at the end.

I can confirm that an RC-PWM-signal are Pulses of 1 to 2 msec long repeated
every 20-30 msec!


Manu (@manu, manutoys, vantiv)

-----Original Message-----
From: mach1mach2cnc@...
[mailto:mach1mach2cnc@...]On Behalf Of art
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 1:03 AM
To: mach1mach2cnc@...
Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed
spindle motor speed controller


Manu:

Well, if you select 50hz as the base frequency, and set the Max Pulley
ratio to 10,000 and only select speeds from 200 - 400RPM thats abotu what
you woudl get. A 1 - 2ms pulse every 20ms.
:)

Thanks,
Art
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Users Map:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Manu CNC" <mansys@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: [mach1mach2cnc] RC servo signal - R/C brushless / brushed
spindle motor speed controller


Grrrrrrr,

Is it possible ? yes :-) or no :-/


_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|_ 2ms/div
0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4 6 8 0 2 4
6 8
1 2 3
RC-Signal every 20mS generate a pulse between 1ms and 2ms:
10% _||______________________________________||__________________________
50% _||____________________________________||________________________
100%_||___________________________________||________________________


Mach3 signal ?
10% _||______________________________________||__________________________
50%
_||___________________||______________
__________

100%_|||
|_____


Manu (@manu, manutoys, vantiv)


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Yahoo! Groups Links


Slow computer

Lester Caine
 

Right guys ( and galls? )

Spent some time yesterday playing with a TaigCNC machine and comparing Mach3 with the DOS package that normally drives it. The original control program is running on an old machine that would probably not even load W2k so I had taken along an ITX box with W2k already installed. Only problem is that it is an 800MHz C3 processor, but since this is intended to be an embedded computer to go with the machine nothing else was installed on it.

Operation from the DOS program is smooth and clean, but running the same tests in Mach3 give a number of problems. Even slowing things down, running just 25kHz and slower feed rates we have a decided 'pattern' to the noise from the stepper, like something is sticking every couple of seconds, while the DOS has none even at a faster rate.

Is this likely to be due to the fact that the processor is not fast enough? Neither of my laptops have parallel ports, so I could not hook them up, and the desk machines are rack mounted, so until I can get a machine over here it's difficult to try a faster processor. What *IS* the slowest processor speed that will work cleanly - or is the less than smooth pulse generation a 'facet' of using windows? Given the quality of work that the machine CAN produce, any pattern to the axis movement is likely to affect the surface finish.

Ideally I would like to include a 1.2 or 1.5Ghz ITX based processor with each machine but I am wondering if that will work, or if I am stuck with just running DOS and leaving Mach until the G100 or something similar is a cost effective alternative :(

I will leave the other problems until I can run things with a faster processor ;)

--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
-----------------------------
L.S.Caine Electronic Services -
Model Engineers Digital Workshop -
Treasurer - Firebird Foundation Inc. -


Re: Driver problem new computer

Steve Blackmore
 

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:25:29 -0000, you wrote:

Just forgot to say that i installed the newest version of Mach3 and
Mach2...
An i have a onboard videocard... could that be a problem?
Yes, that and a HT model.

Also its not good idea to disable ACPI or anything unless you really
HAVE to.

The "optimisation" file should have a disclaimer saying "only do this as
a last resort".



Steve Blackmore
--


Re: amount of steps for servo

 

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "mlaws1172" <mlaws1172@...> wrote:

Seeing how i haven't asked any stupid questions for a while, i thought
it was time
What would best amount of steps to go for on a servo driven table
(Plasma) as far as Mach is concerned. Is there an amount that mach
does best at?
mike
Your (current) number should be based on the highest target speed (in
IPM) calculated to how many pulses per second it takes to do that.
It's a function of the "gearing" and the line count of the encoders.
Encoders with higher line counts require more pulses per second to go
a certain speed. Run the numbers and plug in the max 45,000 pulses
per second that the parallel port version does.

Wildcard: Gecko's and Rutex have built-in step multipliers that can
be used to get around the limits.

Basically the raw resolution (not particulary the accuracy) of a
machine is the smallest distance one pulse will move it. Obviously
the smaller the distance the better the resolution HOWEVER unused
resolution is just wasted money. A plasma tabel with .005 accuracy
(considering all the mechanical inaccuracies) is sufficient. A
resoltuion of greater than 10 times the final accuracy is plenty.

Most builders find that motors with 250 to 500 lines (1000 to 2000
pulses per rev with any level of belt reduction gives them plenty of
resolution. Encoders with higher counts quickly make the math such
that either faster pulse rates than parallel can generate OR step
multipliers have to be introduced.

Example. A servo with a 1000 line encoder puts out 4000 pulses (in
quadrature) each rev of the shaft. If we use rack and pinion and a
gear that moves 1" per rev (easy math). If the belt reduction is a
common 4:1 the pulse count per inch is 16,000. Lets say our target is
300 Ipm (5 IPS) then we have to put out 80,000 pulses per second to
get there....well past what we can provide with a parallel port. With
the above system your resolution is .00000625 inches. Lets say the
motor is rated at 3000 RPM so a belt reduction of 4:1 makes that 750
PRM and since it moves one inch that equates to 750 IPM.

I won't go further but you have several choices and each one effects
other parameters.


Re: R/C brushless / brushed spindle motor speed controller

nattyone960
 

I think the Phoenix type controllers are already opto isolated, but I
am not sure. According to the advice given by a member on CNC-Toolkit
rigging a Servo Tester to provide a pulse should allow speed control
of the motor.


--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Peter Homann <groups@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can probable cobble up something fairly quickly. I can ""Pull"
the RC signal
of the boards test points, before the Isolation circuitry.

Thinking of the fly, it may be better to provide an isolated RC
signal or does
the RC speed controller already have opto isolation?

Give my a little time to think it through.


Cheers,

Peter.


nattyone960 wrote:
--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "Peter Homann" <groups@>
wrote:
Hi,

From memory the RC servo signal is a PWM signal with a period of
20mS with
the pulse varing from 1ms (Fully CCW) to 2ms fully (CW). centre
position
(Off) has a pulse width of 1.5mS

Mach is providing a PWM signal from 0 to 100% PWM for 0 to max
speed.
So, you can generate the 50Hz PWM pulse stream in Mach by
setting
the PWM
base to 50.

Assuming you have set th Mach kernel speed to 45KHz, you have
900
(45,000/50) steps in your PWM signal.

At most the signal you are varing from 1ms to 2ms pulse so you
will
have
45 steps (900 steps/20ms) per ms.

I'm not sure that 45 steps will be enough. Although you can look
at
as 45
pulley settings on your machine. Probably better than what you
have
now,
but not a great improvement.

Then you would have to write a bit of macro code as you need to
get
Mach
to generate 1ms PWM pulse for zero speed, and a 2 ms pulse for
max.


On the other hand I could modify the software in the DigiSpeed
to
produce
the signal if there is enough interest.

Cheers,

Peter.


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Re: amount of steps for servo

art
 

Hi Mike:

Unimportant. It will work with any amount.
Thanks,
Art
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----- Original Message -----
From: "mlaws1172" <mlaws1172@...>
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Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:29 AM
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] amount of steps for servo


Seeing how i haven't asked any stupid questions for a while, i thought it was time
What would best amount of steps to go for on a servo driven table (Plasma) as far as Mach is concerned. Is there an amount that mach does best at?
mike
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amount of steps for servo

mlaws1172
 

Seeing how i haven't asked any stupid questions for a while, i thought
it was time
What would best amount of steps to go for on a servo driven table
(Plasma) as far as Mach is concerned. Is there an amount that mach
does best at?
mike