Well what I meant Tag is I think things have generally gotten worse over the years. Sniping was at one time considered unchilvarous. By the 1st world war, things had gotten worse with machine guns, as well as sniping & chemical weapons. Used off & on since. Bombing used to try to be confined to military targets but that went out the window & I think things have got worse since. I think this has spread to the civilian side too. 50 years ago zero hour contracts would not be considered, but that was what I was on at NTU. I had to cover a lab class for free on Friday mornings. For goodness sakes look what Priti Patel is proposing as regards demostrations. John
On Tuesday, 16 March 2021, 10:13:30 GMT, blue yonder via groups.io <tag.gorton@...> wrote:
I don't think there is much in the way of chivalry in war - although there are 'rules' of course. We shot down an aircraft during the Falklands conflict and picked up the pilot. He was absolutely terrified because he had been told he would be tortured. Bit bemused I think that evening, to find himself sat down for dinner in the wardroom. After all where would he go?? He was quite relaxed after a few drinks. The only danger he was in was from his mates. On the following day we were hit by two 1000 bombs, which luckily failed to go off!! Did kill the two boys in the forrard magazine however. Yours Aye Tag Gorton Tel:01752 845938 Skype name 'tagorton' ?On Saturday13/Mar/21:54, 06:54Sat, 13, Mar, 2021, "zuiko" < [email protected] on behalf of ftog@...> wrote: ? ? The Serbs are mad.? One of my air traffic officers was detached during the Kosovo campaign to the air traffic control tower at Pristina airfield for a few months: his Serb counterparts would play card games while drunk and with loaded guns at their side. ? ? But there are rules of war, if only all sides would abide by them. ? ? Chris ? ? On 12 Mar 21, at 22:50, John Miller via groups.io <> <johnmiller051118= [email protected]> wrote: ? ? One of the worst stories I heard about armed combat was an SAS patrol. He was an avid bird watcher. He saw some Carrion vultures cruise down on a part of Yugoslavia. He thought: ? ? "Why would they be there?" ? ? Then he saw 2 men nailed to a wall in a cruciform position. ? ? I know massacres have been going on for some time, but in the 1st World war things took a turn for the worse with chemical weapons. Before then men had to fight with chilvary. ? ? Now there is no chivalry left in the world! ? ? John ? ?
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I don't think there is much in the way of chivalry in war - although there are 'rules' of course. We shot down an aircraft during the Falklands conflict and picked up the pilot. He was absolutely terrified because he had been told he would be tortured. Bit bemused I think that evening, to find himself sat down for dinner in the wardroom. After all where would he go? He was quite relaxed after a few drinks. The only danger he was in was from his mates. On the following day we were hit by two 1000 bombs, which luckily failed to go off!! Did kill the two boys in the forrard magazine however. Yours Aye Tag Gorton Tel:01752 845938 Skype name 'tagorton' ?On Saturday13/Mar/21:54, 06:54Sat, 13, Mar, 2021, "zuiko" < [email protected] on behalf of ftog@...> wrote: The Serbs are mad. One of my air traffic officers was detached during the Kosovo campaign to the air traffic control tower at Pristina airfield for a few months: his Serb counterparts would play card games while drunk and with loaded guns at their side. But there are rules of war, if only all sides would abide by them. Chris
On 12 Mar 21, at 22:50, John Miller via groups.io <> <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
One of the worst stories I heard about armed combat was an SAS patrol. He was an avid bird watcher. He saw some Carrion vultures cruise down on a part of Yugoslavia. He thought:
"Why would they be there?"
Then he saw 2 men nailed to a wall in a cruciform position.
I know massacres have been going on for some time, but in the 1st World war things took a turn for the worse with chemical weapons. Before then men had to fight with chilvary.
Now there is no chivalry left in the world!
John
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I would usually be fairly sceptical about stories like this, but this is from the BBC:
I've had 3 attempted cyber attacks in the last2 years & have increased security on my Mac. John
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Hi Susie & Jude, I am Church of England & go by that Lore:
BUT I respect marriage 1st & must obey God's commandments!!! But you are both very cute! It's been tough recently Hugs John
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Well, to be honest, I think things have gone downhill since around World War One. Before then you had to face a man in "Honest combat". Sword to Sword, or pistol to pistol. I know massacres went on before then. The Russian pogroms for example, but Suleiman, spared the Christian Civilians in war, whereas Richard the Lion Heart had no such mercy. World war one saw machine gunning & use of chemical weapons. It was an error of the Nazi's to drop bombs on Civilian London, but that lead to firebombing of Dresden & Coventry. Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Well, now we've seen the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko with Polonium 210 & the Skripals with Novichok. It seems that there is no end now to humans mercilessness in warfare or politics. I despair. Einstein said: "Whilever there are men, there will be war". Which is not true, Women can engage in warfare too, it's just less common. Aileen Wuornos.
Sad, but true John
On Monday, 15 March 2021, 07:03:45 GMT, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
I could not agree more, Susan!
Chris C M I Barker |?Corscombe | GB
On 14 Mar 2021, at 15:32, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
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War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing… Best Susan On 13 Mar 2021, at 06:54, zuiko < ftog@...> wrote: The Serbs are mad. ?One of my air traffic officers was detached during the Kosovo campaign to the air traffic control tower at Pristina airfield for a few months: his Serb counterparts would play card games while drunk and with loaded guns at their side.
But there are rules of war, if only all sides would abide by them.
Chris
One of the worst stories I heard about armed combat was an SAS patrol. He was an avid bird watcher. He saw some Carrion vultures cruise down on a part of Yugoslavia. He thought: "Why would they be there?" Then he saw 2 men nailed to a wall in a cruciform position. I know massacres have been going on for some time, but in the 1st World war things took a turn for the worse with chemical weapons. Before then men had to fight with chilvary. Now there is no chivalry left in the world! John
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I could not agree more, Susan!
Chris C M I Barker |?Corscombe | GB
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On 14 Mar 2021, at 15:32, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
? War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing… Best Susan On 13 Mar 2021, at 06:54, zuiko < ftog@...> wrote: The Serbs are mad. ?One of my air traffic officers was detached during the Kosovo campaign to the air traffic control tower at Pristina airfield for a few months: his Serb counterparts would play card games while drunk and with loaded guns at their side.
But there are rules of war, if only all sides would abide by them.
Chris
One of the worst stories I heard about armed combat was an SAS patrol. He was an avid bird watcher. He saw some Carrion vultures cruise down on a part of Yugoslavia. He thought: "Why would they be there?" Then he saw 2 men nailed to a wall in a cruciform position. I know massacres have been going on for some time, but in the 1st World war things took a turn for the worse with chemical weapons. Before then men had to fight with chilvary. Now there is no chivalry left in the world! John
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Since we lost our mother 18 months ago (roughly). I have been in a desperate state to know what to do for my father. I feel at a loss. He seems to be getting more fragile, day by day. Jesus Christ give me strength. John
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I guess I am really getting older. 10 years back, I helped a man in a wheelchair get out of a rut in the pavement. With his wife it was a case of "1,2,3 go!" Now I wonder if someone will be fetching me a stick.
I've got to get to work on my fitness in a few weeks time, or I think things will go badly!!! I could lift Chris & run with him 20 miles. Now I wonder if he could take me 2 metres. John
On Sunday, 14 March 2021, 16:21:15 GMT, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
Well, I'm 52 now. MY father is EXACLTY 40 YEARS Older. He was born June 7th 1928,& I was born June 7th 1968. I could carry my friends son's Brian, around on my shoulders in 1992. Now I wonder if they can help me down the road with a bag of shopping. I look in the mirror & see bags under my eyes, but at least I can look in the mirror without vomiting. John
On Sunday, 14 March 2021, 15:54:14 GMT, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
It's worth looking up on Channel 4 about 0800-1000. John
On Sunday, 14 March 2021, 15:39:56 GMT, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
Harvey shouldn’t eat too much cheese; I think it’s the calcium that can give him, not stones but something they seem to refer to as “sand” and is [adjective] painful! ?I love cheese, always have.
Don’t think so. My Dad had gout but I have never had it. Love cheese and I am coming up 75 On 12 Mar 2021, at 15:23, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
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Excellent! ?I love cheese as well . . .
Can cheese give you gout, I wonder? ?One toe is a little sore.
I don’t care if it rains or freezes, I’ll be safe in the arms of cheeses… Best Susan
Dearest Susie, After 20 years or more, you get used to life without sugar. tend to go for cheeses more now. John
I’m sure it pleases them, John. If I were a nurse, I’d appreciate such a gesture. Best Susan
I didn't gat any confectionary for me, but for my nurses. Not alot I know, but I hope it shows someone appreciates them John
Wouldn’t jelly fruits be just as “un-diabetic”? There are sweeties for diabetics, aren’t there? I’m sure you know what they are. Best Susan It's been tough. I gave a nurse Keeleigh Horne two chocolate orange bars. I had to ask if she was diabetic. Because as I said to her: "There no bloody use to me! I am diabetic as hell!", She's going to dress my foot tomorrow 14.15 maybe I can get her jelly fruits?.They were my favourite as a kid. God 1% pay rise HOW do the politicians??sleep at night?? John
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Well, I'm 52 now. MY father is EXACLTY 40 YEARS Older. He was born June 7th 1928,& I was born June 7th 1968. I could carry my friends son's Brian, around on my shoulders in 1992. Now I wonder if they can help me down the road with a bag of shopping. I look in the mirror & see bags under my eyes, but at least I can look in the mirror without vomiting. John
On Sunday, 14 March 2021, 15:54:14 GMT, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
It's worth looking up on Channel 4 about 0800-1000. John
On Sunday, 14 March 2021, 15:39:56 GMT, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
Harvey shouldn’t eat too much cheese; I think it’s the calcium that can give him, not stones but something they seem to refer to as “sand” and is [adjective] painful! ?I love cheese, always have.
Don’t think so. My Dad had gout but I have never had it. Love cheese and I am coming up 75 On 12 Mar 2021, at 15:23, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
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Excellent! ?I love cheese as well . . .
Can cheese give you gout, I wonder? ?One toe is a little sore.
I don’t care if it rains or freezes, I’ll be safe in the arms of cheeses… Best Susan
Dearest Susie, After 20 years or more, you get used to life without sugar. tend to go for cheeses more now. John
I’m sure it pleases them, John. If I were a nurse, I’d appreciate such a gesture. Best Susan
I didn't gat any confectionary for me, but for my nurses. Not alot I know, but I hope it shows someone appreciates them John
Wouldn’t jelly fruits be just as “un-diabetic”? There are sweeties for diabetics, aren’t there? I’m sure you know what they are. Best Susan It's been tough. I gave a nurse Keeleigh Horne two chocolate orange bars. I had to ask if she was diabetic. Because as I said to her: "There no bloody use to me! I am diabetic as hell!", She's going to dress my foot tomorrow 14.15 maybe I can get her jelly fruits?.They were my favourite as a kid. God 1% pay rise HOW do the politicians??sleep at night?? John
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It's worth looking up on Channel 4 about 0800-1000. John
On Sunday, 14 March 2021, 15:39:56 GMT, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
Harvey shouldn’t eat too much cheese; I think it’s the calcium that can give him, not stones but something they seem to refer to as “sand” and is [adjective] painful! ?I love cheese, always have.
Don’t think so. My Dad had gout but I have never had it. Love cheese and I am coming up 75 On 12 Mar 2021, at 15:23, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
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Excellent! ?I love cheese as well . . .
Can cheese give you gout, I wonder? ?One toe is a little sore.
I don’t care if it rains or freezes, I’ll be safe in the arms of cheeses… Best Susan
Dearest Susie, After 20 years or more, you get used to life without sugar. tend to go for cheeses more now. John
I’m sure it pleases them, John. If I were a nurse, I’d appreciate such a gesture. Best Susan
I didn't gat any confectionary for me, but for my nurses. Not alot I know, but I hope it shows someone appreciates them John
Wouldn’t jelly fruits be just as “un-diabetic”? There are sweeties for diabetics, aren’t there? I’m sure you know what they are. Best Susan It's been tough. I gave a nurse Keeleigh Horne two chocolate orange bars. I had to ask if she was diabetic. Because as I said to her: "There no bloody use to me! I am diabetic as hell!", She's going to dress my foot tomorrow 14.15 maybe I can get her jelly fruits?.They were my favourite as a kid. God 1% pay rise HOW do the politicians??sleep at night?? John
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Harvey shouldn’t eat too much cheese; I think it’s the calcium that can give him, not stones but something they seem to refer to as “sand” and is [adjective] painful! ?I love cheese, always have.
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Don’t think so. My Dad had gout but I have never had it. Love cheese and I am coming up 75 On 12 Mar 2021, at 15:23, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
? Excellent! ?I love cheese as well . . .
Can cheese give you gout, I wonder? ?One toe is a little sore.
Chris
I don’t care if it rains or freezes, I’ll be safe in the arms of cheeses… Best Susan
Dearest Susie, After 20 years or more, you get used to life without sugar. tend to go for cheeses more now. John
I’m sure it pleases them, John. If I were a nurse, I’d appreciate such a gesture. Best Susan
I didn't gat any confectionary for me, but for my nurses. Not alot I know, but I hope it shows someone appreciates them John
Wouldn’t jelly fruits be just as “un-diabetic”? There are sweeties for diabetics, aren’t there? I’m sure you know what they are. Best Susan It's been tough. I gave a nurse Keeleigh Horne two chocolate orange bars. I had to ask if she was diabetic. Because as I said to her: "There no bloody use to me! I am diabetic as hell!", She's going to dress my foot tomorrow 14.15 maybe I can get her jelly fruits?.They were my favourite as a kid. God 1% pay rise HOW do the politicians??sleep at night?? John
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No! Who’s Raymond? ?:D Best
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You've been watching: "Everybody loves Raymond". John
I don’t care if it rains or freezes, I’ll be safe in the arms of cheeses… Best Susan
Dearest Susie, After 20 years or more, you get used to life without sugar. tend to go for cheeses more now. John
I’m sure it pleases them, John. If I were a nurse, I’d appreciate such a gesture. Best Susan
I didn't gat any confectionary for me, but for my nurses. Not alot I know, but I hope it shows someone appreciates them John
Wouldn’t jelly fruits be just as “un-diabetic”? There are sweeties for diabetics, aren’t there? I’m sure you know what they are. Best Susan It's been tough. I gave a nurse Keeleigh Horne two chocolate orange bars. I had to ask if she was diabetic. Because as I said to her: "There no bloody use to me! I am diabetic as hell!", She's going to dress my foot tomorrow 14.15 maybe I can get her jelly fruits?.They were my favourite as a kid. God 1% pay rise HOW do the politicians??sleep at night?? John
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War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing… Best
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On 13 Mar 2021, at 06:54, zuiko < ftog@...> wrote: The Serbs are mad. ?One of my air traffic officers was detached during the Kosovo campaign to the air traffic control tower at Pristina airfield for a few months: his Serb counterparts would play card games while drunk and with loaded guns at their side.
But there are rules of war, if only all sides would abide by them.
Chris
One of the worst stories I heard about armed combat was an SAS patrol. He was an avid bird watcher. He saw some Carrion vultures cruise down on a part of Yugoslavia. He thought: "Why would they be there?" Then he saw 2 men nailed to a wall in a cruciform position. I know massacres have been going on for some time, but in the 1st World war things took a turn for the worse with chemical weapons. Before then men had to fight with chilvary. Now there is no chivalry left in the world! John
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Re: Operation "Black Buck"
We certainly have been very satisfied with them. They aren’t the cheapest but we went with them while still running our limited company, swapping from what was then a very local company, Eclipse, and they don’t really do strictly domestic. You do hear some horror stories about a few of the others.
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On 12 Mar 2021, at 15:22, zuiko < ftog@...> wrote: Yes, Susan, partly on the basis of your implied recommendation from a year or two ago :-)
Chris
Oh, you’ll be with Zen Internet too? ?:D Best Susan On 11 Mar 2021, at 16:38, zuiko < ftog@...> wrote: I’ll drop him a line, John. ?But we’re in the middle of a move, from Cambs to Dorset, so it will have to wait until Zen is set up at our next home.
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Well, yes Jude I believe backdating systems can be "risky". I mean I am no expert. Ask me about pharmaceuticals & I can probably give you 110%. This might get me in trouble, but I could probably give you a guided tour of female anatomy & how to stimulate it! John
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Well, I stay well away from sugar, except giving it to my nurses & telling them I love them, but not in the sexual sense!?John
On Saturday, 13 March 2021, 06:55:36 GMT, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
:-) ?I drink very little whisky, trying to watch my alcohol intake because I like wine with my supper (at weekends). ?And I think that my father was addicted before he died.
I think grog gives you gout - particular malt whisky ?:-)?
Jude
Don’t think so. My Dad had gout but I have never had it. Love cheese and I am coming up 75 On 12 Mar 2021, at 15:23, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
?Excellent! ?I love cheese as well . . .
Can cheese give you gout, I wonder? ?One toe is a little sore.
Chris
I don’t care if it rains or freezes, I’ll be safe in the arms of cheeses… Best Susan Dearest Susie, After 20 years or more, you get used to life without sugar. tend to go for cheeses more now. John
I’m sure it pleases them, John. If I were a nurse, I’d appreciate such a gesture. Best Susan I didn't gat any confectionary for me, but for my nurses. Not alot I know, but I hope it shows someone appreciates them John
Wouldn’t jelly fruits be just as “un-diabetic”? There are sweeties for diabetics, aren’t there? I’m sure you know what they are. Best Susan It's been tough. I gave a nurse Keeleigh Horne two chocolate orange bars. I had to ask if she was diabetic. Because as I said to her: "There no bloody use to me! I am diabetic as hell!", She's going to dress my foot tomorrow 14.15 maybe I can get her jelly fruits?.They were my favourite as a kid. God 1% pay rise HOW do the politicians??sleep at night?? John
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OH Jeezaloo! ?You certainly get some insights from people on the "frontline". I mean by those people on the frontline in any situation. I could tell you a thing or three, about the pharmaceutical industry, but you might not want to hear it! Hugs John
On Saturday, 13 March 2021, 06:54:11 GMT, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
The Serbs are mad. ?One of my air traffic officers was detached during the Kosovo campaign to the air traffic control tower at Pristina airfield for a few months: his Serb counterparts would play card games while drunk and with loaded guns at their side.
But there are rules of war, if only all sides would abide by them.
One of the worst stories I heard about armed combat was an SAS patrol. He was an avid bird watcher. He saw some Carrion vultures cruise down on a part of Yugoslavia. He thought: "Why would they be there?" Then he saw 2 men nailed to a wall in a cruciform position. I know massacres have been going on for some time, but in the 1st World war things took a turn for the worse with chemical weapons. Before then men had to fight with chilvary. Now there is no chivalry left in the world! John
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:-) ?I drink very little whisky, trying to watch my alcohol intake because I like wine with my supper (at weekends). ?And I think that my father was addicted before he died.
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I think grog gives you gout - particular malt whisky ?:-)?
Jude
Don’t think so. My Dad had gout but I have never had it. Love cheese and I am coming up 75 On 12 Mar 2021, at 15:23, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
?Excellent! ?I love cheese as well . . .
Can cheese give you gout, I wonder? ?One toe is a little sore.
Chris
I don’t care if it rains or freezes, I’ll be safe in the arms of cheeses… Best Susan Dearest Susie, After 20 years or more, you get used to life without sugar. tend to go for cheeses more now. John
I’m sure it pleases them, John. If I were a nurse, I’d appreciate such a gesture. Best Susan I didn't gat any confectionary for me, but for my nurses. Not alot I know, but I hope it shows someone appreciates them John
Wouldn’t jelly fruits be just as “un-diabetic”? There are sweeties for diabetics, aren’t there? I’m sure you know what they are. Best Susan It's been tough. I gave a nurse Keeleigh Horne two chocolate orange bars. I had to ask if she was diabetic. Because as I said to her: "There no bloody use to me! I am diabetic as hell!", She's going to dress my foot tomorrow 14.15 maybe I can get her jelly fruits?.They were my favourite as a kid. God 1% pay rise HOW do the politicians??sleep at night?? John
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The Serbs are mad. ?One of my air traffic officers was detached during the Kosovo campaign to the air traffic control tower at Pristina airfield for a few months: his Serb counterparts would play card games while drunk and with loaded guns at their side.
But there are rules of war, if only all sides would abide by them.
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One of the worst stories I heard about armed combat was an SAS patrol. He was an avid bird watcher. He saw some Carrion vultures cruise down on a part of Yugoslavia. He thought: "Why would they be there?" Then he saw 2 men nailed to a wall in a cruciform position. I know massacres have been going on for some time, but in the 1st World war things took a turn for the worse with chemical weapons. Before then men had to fight with chilvary. Now there is no chivalry left in the world! John
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I think grog gives you gout - particular malt whisky ?:-)?
Jude
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Don’t think so. My Dad had gout but I have never had it. Love cheese and I am coming up 75 On 12 Mar 2021, at 15:23, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
? Excellent! ?I love cheese as well . . .
Can cheese give you gout, I wonder? ?One toe is a little sore.
Chris
I don’t care if it rains or freezes, I’ll be safe in the arms of cheeses… Best Susan
Dearest Susie, After 20 years or more, you get used to life without sugar. tend to go for cheeses more now. John
I’m sure it pleases them, John. If I were a nurse, I’d appreciate such a gesture. Best Susan
I didn't gat any confectionary for me, but for my nurses. Not alot I know, but I hope it shows someone appreciates them John
Wouldn’t jelly fruits be just as “un-diabetic”? There are sweeties for diabetics, aren’t there? I’m sure you know what they are. Best Susan It's been tough. I gave a nurse Keeleigh Horne two chocolate orange bars. I had to ask if she was diabetic. Because as I said to her: "There no bloody use to me! I am diabetic as hell!", She's going to dress my foot tomorrow 14.15 maybe I can get her jelly fruits?.They were my favourite as a kid. God 1% pay rise HOW do the politicians??sleep at night?? John
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