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Re: old macs v newer macs

 

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. ?This is going to burn away their customer base. Why not just bu
apple admits to slowing down old iphones

On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude


Re: old macs v newer macs

 

TY, hugs Jude & Peter

John

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 03:27:39 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


You just have to put it behind you John. Maybe a bit of counselling to get your mind off it. These events do take a toll.
Hope the new place is more peaceful. Get yourself into a local Mac group and get involved. You never know sometimes people get to hear of jobs if you mingle.


Jude





On 19 Feb 2020, at 1:21 pm, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I'm so sorry Jude, but living next door to the door to the Class A drug dealers really drove me mad. I was afraid they might find out I could make drugs for them. I know you are going to think I'm making it up, but there were 4 coppers in body armour carrying Heckler Und Koch G36 Submachine guns. A helicopter came down & shone its nightlight into next doors bedroom window. I didn't go out looking but according to my friend on the ground floor there were a couple of coppers with dogs covering to the 2 exits. I would have thought 8 cops, but Stuart says 11. Who am I to argue?
John
Apparently they can get Class A drugs in 7 minutes, faster than a takeaway.
The world really has gone mad!

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 03:03:51 GMT, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:


Dearest Jude,
I feel very outclassed to say the least.
Do not know what your qualifications are. Mine Best of year Organic Chemistry, MSc Pharmacology, Phd Organic Chemistry, NIH Postdoctoral fellow. Feel apple has, been wrong to me, but I was at a low point. You try living with Class A drug dealers, for 3 or 4 yrs. See how well you'd cope
John

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 02:04:34 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


I did research. I always do research. I probably drive my husband mad with research before I make a decision to purchase anything in this house :-)
If you hadn¡¯t cottoned on to the differences in the specifications that would be annoying. You¡¯d not be the first though.?
I actually rang my fav techie before purchase and had a heart to heart about my iMac Pro prior to purchase purely because Apple has taken to putting adhesive in various positions inside and I wanted to know things could be got out and replaced if needed etc.?
He was able to tell me he had had open one in front of him that week with part supplied by Apple under warranty and it was no worries at all. So I felt a bit more confident about paying $7680 for it.
I would do the exact same study for any Mac any price just to know it would do what I wanted.?


Jude


On 19 Feb 2020, at 10:34 am, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. Absolutely zero on website. Why not just upgrade to a PC, run Ubuntu etc?. Apple's slowing down old iPhones & been fined for it.
apple admits to slowing down old iphones?BSc


On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude



Re: old macs v newer macs

 

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You just have to put it behind you John. Maybe a bit of counselling to get your mind off it. These events do take a toll.
Hope the new place is more peaceful. Get yourself into a local Mac group and get involved. You never know sometimes people get to hear of jobs if you mingle.


Jude





On 19 Feb 2020, at 1:21 pm, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I'm so sorry Jude, but living next door to the door to the Class A drug dealers really drove me mad. I was afraid they might find out I could make drugs for them. I know you are going to think I'm making it up, but there were 4 coppers in body armour carrying Heckler Und Koch G36 Submachine guns. A helicopter came down & shone its nightlight into next doors bedroom window. I didn't go out looking but according to my friend on the ground floor there were a couple of coppers with dogs covering to the 2 exits. I would have thought 8 cops, but Stuart says 11. Who am I to argue?
John
Apparently they can get Class A drugs in 7 minutes, faster than a takeaway.
The world really has gone mad!

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 03:03:51 GMT, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:


Dearest Jude,
I feel very outclassed to say the least.
Do not know what your qualifications are. Mine Best of year Organic Chemistry, MSc Pharmacology, Phd Organic Chemistry, NIH Postdoctoral fellow. Feel apple has, been wrong to me, but I was at a low point. You try living with Class A drug dealers, for 3 or 4 yrs. See how well you'd cope
John

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 02:04:34 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


I did research. I always do research. I probably drive my husband mad with research before I make a decision to purchase anything in this house :-)
If you hadn¡¯t cottoned on to the differences in the specifications that would be annoying. You¡¯d not be the first though.?
I actually rang my fav techie before purchase and had a heart to heart about my iMac Pro prior to purchase purely because Apple has taken to putting adhesive in various positions inside and I wanted to know things could be got out and replaced if needed etc.?
He was able to tell me he had had open one in front of him that week with part supplied by Apple under warranty and it was no worries at all. So I felt a bit more confident about paying $7680 for it.
I would do the exact same study for any Mac any price just to know it would do what I wanted.?


Jude


On 19 Feb 2020, at 10:34 am, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. Absolutely zero on website. Why not just upgrade to a PC, run Ubuntu etc?. Apple's slowing down old iPhones & been fined for it.
apple admits to slowing down old iphones?BSc


On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude



Re: old macs v newer macs

 

I'm so sorry Jude, but living next door to the door to the Class A drug dealers really drove me mad. I was afraid they might find out I could make drugs for them. I know you are going to think I'm making it up, but there were 4 coppers in body armour carrying Heckler Und Koch G36 Submachine guns. A helicopter came down & shone its nightlight into next doors bedroom window. I didn't go out looking but according to my friend on the ground floor there were a couple of coppers with dogs covering to the 2 exits. I would have thought 8 cops, but Stuart says 11. Who am I to argue?
John
Apparently they can get Class A drugs in 7 minutes, faster than a takeaway.
The world really has gone mad!

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 03:03:51 GMT, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:


Dearest Jude,
I feel very outclassed to say the least.
Do not know what your qualifications are. Mine Best of year Organic Chemistry, MSc Pharmacology, Phd Organic Chemistry, NIH Postdoctoral fellow. Feel apple has, been wrong to me, but I was at a low point. You try living with Class A drug dealers, for 3 or 4 yrs. See how well you'd cope
John

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 02:04:34 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


I did research. I always do research. I probably drive my husband mad with research before I make a decision to purchase anything in this house :-)
If you hadn¡¯t cottoned on to the differences in the specifications that would be annoying. You¡¯d not be the first though.?
I actually rang my fav techie before purchase and had a heart to heart about my iMac Pro prior to purchase purely because Apple has taken to putting adhesive in various positions inside and I wanted to know things could be got out and replaced if needed etc.?
He was able to tell me he had had open one in front of him that week with part supplied by Apple under warranty and it was no worries at all. So I felt a bit more confident about paying $7680 for it.
I would do the exact same study for any Mac any price just to know it would do what I wanted.?


Jude


On 19 Feb 2020, at 10:34 am, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. Absolutely zero on website. Why not just upgrade to a PC, run Ubuntu etc?. Apple's slowing down old iPhones & been fined for it.
apple admits to slowing down old iphones?BSc


On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude


Re: old macs v newer macs

 

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Check with a Mac friendly tech what it would cost to do the RAM for you.?

I go to our local Mac group monthly ¡ª the differences between the various models of newer Macs and accessibility have been a red hot topic several times ¡ª I was shocked when they had dropped out the CD burner out of Macs because its something I still use and I have software on CDs. As for not being able to install your own RAM any more in some models was also a bit of a wakeup. ?One of our members got caught with that one a while back. So don¡¯t think you are alone.

Gone are the days you could confidently walk in and buy any Mac and be happy with it. They¡¯ve made them less and less get-at-able over the years. Oh for the days of the G5 Cheesegrater tower where you could install your own HD etc.

I went to Earlsfield school for girls in London where I was top of the entire school and highest IQ of either boys or girls school at Earlsfield¡­. then I got dragged to Australia on forged papers - did 3 grades in one year in Australia did final exam ¡­. and got sent out to work by mother at age 13.

My friend down the road received her new $60,000 Mac Pro Monday late. She had installed extra RAM herself and she emailed me at midnight to say it was transferring files) ¡ª it had a couple of dings in the carton would you believe. Carrier said Apple had loaded it and he never touched it till it got to her place. And the carrier and her husband unloaded it in front of her. Anyway it went all night transferring her data and at 8am yesterday the Mac Pro was still saying it had at least two hours to go to finish transfer. ?Haven¡¯t heard yet if it was ok or not. Might wander up there later and stickybeak what it looks like.?

Nothing like the smell of a new Mac.?


Jude





On 19 Feb 2020, at 1:03 pm, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

Dearest Jude,
I feel very outclassed to say the least.
Do not know what your qualifications are. Mine Best of year Organic Chemistry, MSc Pharmacology, Phd Organic Chemistry, NIH Postdoctoral fellow. Feel apple has, been wrong to me, but I was at a low point. You try living with Class A drug dealers, for 3 or 4 yrs. See how well you'd cope
John

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 02:04:34 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


I did research. I always do research. I probably drive my husband mad with research before I make a decision to purchase anything in this house :-)
If you hadn¡¯t cottoned on to the differences in the specifications that would be annoying. You¡¯d not be the first though.?
I actually rang my fav techie before purchase and had a heart to heart about my iMac Pro prior to purchase purely because Apple has taken to putting adhesive in various positions inside and I wanted to know things could be got out and replaced if needed etc.?
He was able to tell me he had had open one in front of him that week with part supplied by Apple under warranty and it was no worries at all. So I felt a bit more confident about paying $7680 for it.
I would do the exact same study for any Mac any price just to know it would do what I wanted.?


Jude


On 19 Feb 2020, at 10:34 am, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. Absolutely zero on website. Why not just upgrade to a PC, run Ubuntu etc?. Apple's slowing down old iPhones & been fined for it.
apple admits to slowing down old iphones?BSc


On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude



Re: old macs v newer macs

 

Dearest Jude,
I feel very outclassed to say the least.
Do not know what your qualifications are. Mine Best of year Organic Chemistry, MSc Pharmacology, Phd Organic Chemistry, NIH Postdoctoral fellow. Feel apple has, been wrong to me, but I was at a low point. You try living with Class A drug dealers, for 3 or 4 yrs. See how well you'd cope
John

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 02:04:34 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


I did research. I always do research. I probably drive my husband mad with research before I make a decision to purchase anything in this house :-)
If you hadn¡¯t cottoned on to the differences in the specifications that would be annoying. You¡¯d not be the first though.?
I actually rang my fav techie before purchase and had a heart to heart about my iMac Pro prior to purchase purely because Apple has taken to putting adhesive in various positions inside and I wanted to know things could be got out and replaced if needed etc.?
He was able to tell me he had had open one in front of him that week with part supplied by Apple under warranty and it was no worries at all. So I felt a bit more confident about paying $7680 for it.
I would do the exact same study for any Mac any price just to know it would do what I wanted.?


Jude


On 19 Feb 2020, at 10:34 am, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. Absolutely zero on website. Why not just upgrade to a PC, run Ubuntu etc?. Apple's slowing down old iPhones & been fined for it.
apple admits to slowing down old iphones?BSc


On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude


Re: old macs v newer macs

 

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I did research. I always do research. I probably drive my husband mad with research before I make a decision to purchase anything in this house :-)
If you hadn¡¯t cottoned on to the differences in the specifications that would be annoying. You¡¯d not be the first though.?
I actually rang my fav techie before purchase and had a heart to heart about my iMac Pro prior to purchase purely because Apple has taken to putting adhesive in various positions inside and I wanted to know things could be got out and replaced if needed etc.?
He was able to tell me he had had open one in front of him that week with part supplied by Apple under warranty and it was no worries at all. So I felt a bit more confident about paying $7680 for it.
I would do the exact same study for any Mac any price just to know it would do what I wanted.?


Jude


On 19 Feb 2020, at 10:34 am, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. Absolutely zero on website. Why not just upgrade to a PC, run Ubuntu etc?. Apple's slowing down old iPhones & been fined for it.
apple admits to slowing down old iphones?BSc


On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude


Re: old macs v newer macs

 

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On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:34, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. Absolutely zero on website. Why not just upgrade to a PC, run Ubuntu etc?. Apple's slowing down old iPhones & been fined for it.
apple admits to slowing down old iphones?BSc


On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude


Re: old macs v newer macs

 

I can really see this backfiring in apple¡¯s face. I had no indication my iMac would be non-upragedable, whatsoever when I bought it. Absolutely zero on website. Why not just upgrade to a PC, run Ubuntu etc?. Apple's slowing down old iPhones & been fined for it.
apple admits to slowing down old iphones?BSc


On 19 Feb 2020, at 00:00, John Miller <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude


Re: old macs v newer macs

 

I bet apple has really made a lot of friends there!
John

On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 23:23:07 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:


Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude


Re: Hi,

 

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You might have to visit your nearest friendly Apple tech to do it.?

Jude

On 18 Feb 2020, at 11:57 pm, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

Dear alll,
I've noticed my latest iMac doesn't have a superdrive.Far worse & less addressable, there are no slots for user switching of memory. I bought the minimum thinking I could bump it up with crucial later. Is that possible?
John


old macs v newer macs

 

Currently I am hanging on to my old iMac i7 (I think 2011 vintage) because it runs all my old software (though I am considering a virtual box?on the iMac Pro with SL installed and run old software ).?

One thing to keep in mind if you have a more recent machine needing fixing it might be better economics and future proofing to go ahead and do the fix because ?that will run Catalina and 64 bit programs. ?If you go out and buy a cheap oldie replacement you risk being well left behind because an oldie just won't keep up and you'll very soon get frustrated as various bits of software just stop ?updating and Apple stops supporting..

Jude


Re: Hi,

 

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The iMac i7 you can add memory - nothing below that. I have iMac Pro that also can add memory. I had studied specs and forewarned myself. 24inch ones don¡¯t have memory slot.

Super drives disappeared out of all of them these days. I bought Apple drive separate prior to purchase of my iMac Pro because?my husband¡¯s MacBook Pro also didn¡¯t come with one either, though being the model before the light bar came in it has much more plug-ability.

Apple have made it harder to choose without studying specs closely and I wanted to future proof myself a bit.

Jude

On 18 Feb 2020, at 11:58 pm, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

?
Dear alll,
I've noticed my latest iMac doesn't have a superdrive.Far worse & less addressable, there are no slots for user switching of memory. I bought the minimum thinking I could bump it up with crucial later. Is that possible?
John


Hi Chris

 

Yes, I was using the Utility window, but had to switch to devices. Dare say I could have done it at the library PC way, but administrator privileges are run from miles away.
John, PS now gone 683 MB back to 8GB


Re: Hi,

 

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It very much depends what model you have purchased. ?Given that you have not found any memory upgrade slots, sounds like a 21.5¡± version. ?If so the answers are:
  • Memory - maybe - depends on what model - read the text??to find out more -?
  • SuperDrive - use a USB connected external drive
HTH

Gavin



On 18 Feb 2020, at 16:57, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

Dear alll,
I've noticed my latest iMac doesn't have a superdrive.Far worse & less addressable, there are no slots for user switching of memory. I bought the minimum thinking I could bump it up with crucial later. Is that possible?
John


Hi,

 

Dear alll,
I've noticed my latest iMac doesn't have a superdrive.Far worse & less addressable, there are no slots for user switching of memory. I bought the minimum thinking I could bump it up with crucial later. Is that possible?
John


Re: Hi

 

Thank you Jude that was very kind. I was shocked and taken aback by what happened to a woman in the public domain here, Caroline Flack.

On Monday, 17 February 2020, 09:57:04 GMT, zuiko via Groups.Io <zuiko@...> wrote:


Wise words, Jude.

Chris

On 17 Feb 2020, at 05:18, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:

After plain surviving, most of us I think we all start out thinking we want to make a difference. I don't think you can talk failure, failure is only if you haven't tried.

There's always an adjustment to be made when careers take a swerve. My husband had been press secretary to several ministers in govt. later in his career and then executive adviser to two State Premiers - very responsible job - and when things changed and he was no longer in the job he actually sought advice, on my urging from an outfit called Davidson and Axsmith -- they'd written a book called "The Art of Executive firing"which I had bought for my husband at a point when he had to face the idea of having to fire someone whilst in the job. Horrid thing to have to do, but its better to do it right and see that the person is taken care of.

When he himself found himself our in the big wide world again he at least had the satisfaction of the govt. having to pay out his contract etc so that in fact was a bit of financial padding till he established himself yet again as a freelance consultant. ?What he did find though, and it had its funny moments was he applied for all sorts of jobs and then when it got to interviews the inevitable question of what had he been doing prior and when he told them ?the shock looks on faces and "You were doing what !!".....and rejection purely that they thought he was oh so overly qualified for a job he himself was more than willing to tackle. ?He was in fact told by one company they would love to employ him but that it would make the people who would be senior to him rather uncomfortable.

Davidson and Axsmith kindly agreed to see him and have a chat and that was very valuable --- and the first thing they said was "You know you're never going to have a job like that again in a hurry", and pointed out the pitfalls of applying for jobs with his CV which was indeed starry to say the least. Their advice came down to where we had already been discussing a to go back to freelancing for himself which was entirely more profitable really than working for wages, but it still took at least six months to really get rolling and busy, but in the end he had four very big clients including major mining companies. ?So in a way it events did us a favour.

So you see John its not always about qualifications work experience etc - other factors come into play that you may not have taken on board.

X Jude


Re: Hi

 

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Wise words, Jude.

Chris

On 17 Feb 2020, at 05:18, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:

After plain surviving, most of us I think we all start out thinking we want to make a difference. I don't think you can talk failure, failure is only if you haven't tried.

There's always an adjustment to be made when careers take a swerve. My husband had been press secretary to several ministers in govt. later in his career and then executive adviser to two State Premiers - very responsible job - and when things changed and he was no longer in the job he actually sought advice, on my urging from an outfit called Davidson and Axsmith -- they'd written a book called "The Art of Executive firing"which I had bought for my husband at a point when he had to face the idea of having to fire someone whilst in the job. Horrid thing to have to do, but its better to do it right and see that the person is taken care of.

When he himself found himself our in the big wide world again he at least had the satisfaction of the govt. having to pay out his contract etc so that in fact was a bit of financial padding till he established himself yet again as a freelance consultant. ?What he did find though, and it had its funny moments was he applied for all sorts of jobs and then when it got to interviews the inevitable question of what had he been doing prior and when he told them ?the shock looks on faces and "You were doing what !!".....and rejection purely that they thought he was oh so overly qualified for a job he himself was more than willing to tackle. ?He was in fact told by one company they would love to employ him but that it would make the people who would be senior to him rather uncomfortable.

Davidson and Axsmith kindly agreed to see him and have a chat and that was very valuable --- and the first thing they said was "You know you're never going to have a job like that again in a hurry", and pointed out the pitfalls of applying for jobs with his CV which was indeed starry to say the least. Their advice came down to where we had already been discussing a to go back to freelancing for himself which was entirely more profitable really than working for wages, but it still took at least six months to really get rolling and busy, but in the end he had four very big clients including major mining companies. ?So in a way it events did us a favour.

So you see John its not always about qualifications work experience etc - other factors come into play that you may not have taken on board.

X Jude


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After plain surviving, most of us I think we all start out thinking we want to make a difference. I don't think you can talk failure, failure is only if you haven't tried.

There's always an adjustment to be made when careers take a swerve. My husband had been press secretary to several ministers in govt. later in his career and then executive adviser to two State Premiers - very responsible job - and when things changed and he was no longer in the job he actually sought advice, on my urging from an outfit called Davidson and Axsmith -- they'd written a book called "The Art of Executive firing"which I had bought for my husband at a point when he had to face the idea of having to fire someone whilst in the job. Horrid thing to have to do, but its better to do it right and see that the person is taken care of.

When he himself found himself our in the big wide world again he at least had the satisfaction of the govt. having to pay out his contract etc so that in fact was a bit of financial padding till he established himself yet again as a freelance consultant. ?What he did find though, and it had its funny moments was he applied for all sorts of jobs and then when it got to interviews the inevitable question of what had he been doing prior and when he told them ?the shock looks on faces and "You were doing what !!".....and rejection purely that they thought he was oh so overly qualified for a job he himself was more than willing to tackle. ?He was in fact told by one company they would love to employ him but that it would make the people who would be senior to him rather uncomfortable.

Davidson and Axsmith kindly agreed to see him and have a chat and that was very valuable --- and the first thing they said was "You know you're never going to have a job like that again in a hurry", and pointed out the pitfalls of applying for jobs with his CV which was indeed starry to say the least. Their advice came down to where we had already been discussing a to go back to freelancing for himself which was entirely more profitable really than working for wages, but it still took at least six months to really get rolling and busy, but in the end he had four very big clients including major mining companies. ?So in a way it events did us a favour.

So you see John its not always about qualifications work experience etc - other factors come into play that you may not have taken on board.

X Jude




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Oh, you don¡¯t know that, John; somewhere a flower blooms because of you!?
Regards
Susan

On 15 Feb 2020, at 20:35, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:

I wanted to make the world a better place. I guess somehow I failed
John

On Saturday, 15 February 2020, 18:07:23 GMT, zuiko via Groups.Io <zuiko@...> wrote:


Well that¡¯s good on your studes, John. I¡¯d keep looking at the CSjobs website, perhaps set up an email notification when certain sorts of job appear.

Chris




> On 15 Feb 2020, at 17:59, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I¡¯m sorry, to say this, but yes. I applied to work at HMRC, checking tax returns. They didn¡¯t say why. But I think it¡¯s probably because a PhD Chemist should be in a lab. You do not know how much you¡¯re support helps me.
> I took Parochial care seriously when I was a lecturer at Nottingham Trent University.
> ?27,000 for a degree, before living expenses, travel costs & goodness what else.
> My students really liked me, I¡¯m not entirely sure why