Re: Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word)
Oh I've used google translate. It for me is a lot slower for what
ever reason, it feels cluttered for my brain. I often need to
translate text into Spanish for my students and past it into Skype
for them, google translate is a bit slower so I either use the
nvda add on I have or they just translate themselves later. I
don't trust my written Spanish to do that by hand.
Thanks. I'll keep playing with this.
On 1/9/2025 8:52 AM, Παναγι?τη?
Αντων?πουλο? via groups.io wrote:
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Sarah/all,
I
played with google.translate.com translating a text from
Greek into Hungarian and worked very well for me. The only
inconvenience was that jaws would not indicate it selected
the “document” button and I only discovered this by tabbing
to the browse button. Otherwise I quite liked the process,
though I cannot comment on accuracy for a rather dirty
horoscope text, used for fun. But the translated document
also appeared on my braille display.
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Take care,
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Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses
on Word)
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Apologies if I misunderstood. I have not encountered the use
of "control space" to access any form of menu. I will attempt
this method the next time I need to translate into Spanish,
which will likely be in the near future.
Thanks and happy Thursday.
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Hello Sarah,
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It is not Alt with spacebar to get the menu for closing the pane.? As you mentioned in one of your messages, that keystroke will close the application.? The keystroke for closing the pane is Ctrl with spacebar and choosing close from the menu.?
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Take care.
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On 1/8/2025 2:20 PM, Brian Vogel via groups.io wrote:
If you want the translated text to be inserted back into the document
in place of the originally selected text, then the Insert button must
be activated.
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That is precisely the issue; I do not wish for the text to remain there.
I am utilizing this field solely as a temporary space for translation purposes. I paste the text elsewhere afterward. I have resorted to copying the translated text and pasting it where it belongs. I intend to attempt the alternate space method someone mentioned to see if it will cause the dialogue to disappear.
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
And it has been successful for 99% of my queries. I use it all the time when necessary. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Kindest regards, ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Takis ?
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365? For those of you who use Jaws, give a try. ? Apparently it has been trained specifically on the Office applications. ?
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
For those of you who use Jaws, give a try. ? Apparently it has been trained specifically on the Office applications. ?
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Re: Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word)
Hi Sarah/all, I played with google.translate.com translating a text from Greek into Hungarian and worked very well for me. The only inconvenience was that jaws would not indicate it selected the “document” button and I only discovered this by tabbing to the browse button. Otherwise I quite liked the process, though I cannot comment on accuracy for a rather dirty horoscope text, used for fun. But the translated document also appeared on my braille display. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Take care, ???????????????????????????????????????????? Takis ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 6:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word)? Apologies if I misunderstood. I have not encountered the use of "control space" to access any form of menu. I will attempt this method the next time I need to translate into Spanish, which will likely be in the near future.
Thanks and happy Thursday.
Sarah Alawami | Salesforce Administrator | Accessibility Consultant | Educator
Follow me on On 1/8/2025 3:23 PM, Brian Lee via groups.io wrote: Hello Sarah, ? It is not Alt with spacebar to get the menu for closing the pane.? As you mentioned in one of your messages, that keystroke will close the application.? The keystroke for closing the pane is Ctrl with spacebar and choosing close from the menu.? ? Take care. ? Brian Lee brianllee@... ? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word) ? ? On 1/8/2025 2:20 PM, Brian Vogel via groups.io wrote: If you want the translated text to be inserted back into the document in place of the originally selected text, then the Insert button must be activated.
? ? That is precisely the issue; I do not wish for the text to remain there. I am utilizing this field solely as a temporary space for translation purposes. I paste the text elsewhere afterward. I have resorted to copying the translated text and pasting it where it belongs. I intend to attempt the alternate space method someone mentioned to see if it will cause the dialogue to disappear. ? ? ? -- ---------- ? Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind. Visit my website ( ) to read my story. ? Microsoft Windows Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621) workstation AMD64 [64 bit] NVDA 2023.3 [32 bit] Microsoft Office 16.0.17029.20028 [64 bit] ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Re: Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word)
Apologies if I misunderstood. I have not encountered the use of
"control space" to access any form of menu. I will attempt this
method the next time I need to translate into Spanish, which will
likely be in the near future.
Thanks and happy Thursday.
Sarah Alawami | Salesforce Administrator | Accessibility
Consultant | Educator
Follow me on
On 1/8/2025 3:23 PM, Brian Lee via
groups.io wrote:
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Hello Sarah,
It is not Alt with spacebar to get the menu for closing the pane. As you mentioned in one of your messages, that keystroke will close the application. The keystroke for closing the pane is Ctrl with spacebar and choosing close from the menu.
Take care.
Brian Lee
brianllee@...
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 2:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word)
On 1/8/2025 2:20 PM, Brian Vogel via groups.io wrote:
If you want the translated text to be inserted back into the document
in place of the originally selected text, then the Insert button must
be activated.
That is precisely the issue; I do not wish for the text to remain there.
I am utilizing this field solely as a temporary space for translation purposes. I paste the text elsewhere afterward. I have resorted to copying the translated text and pasting it where it belongs. I intend to attempt the alternate space method someone mentioned to see if it will cause the dialogue to disappear.
--
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Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind. Visit my website ( ) to read my story.
Microsoft Windows Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621) workstation AMD64 [64 bit] NVDA 2023.3 [32 bit] Microsoft Office 16.0.17029.20028 [64 bit]
-- ---------- Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind.???to read my story.?
Microsoft Windows Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621) workstation AMD64 [64 bit]
NVDA 2023.3 [32 bit]
Microsoft Office?16.0.17029.20028 [64 bit]
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 08:46 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
The most useful keystroke in the Office applications for me at least is ALT+Q for Search.
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Indeed, very handy.? For myself, though, particularly if I want to determine what a keyboard shortcut/accelerator key sequence is for something in any Office Suite program, I have found web searching on something like, "Word keyboard shortcut close navigation pane," or similar to often get that information far more directly than other methods in Office Help/Search.
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I said the following yesterday in message #9733, " now that the age of AI searches are upon us, we all need to start using them more to find obscure information, which they are absolutely great at doing."? My current favorite, subject to change at this early stage, is perplexity.ai.? But I would never have arrived at the answer I found even after days of regular web searching or using built-in help/search functionality in Word.? AI searches are becoming by far and away the most direct route to obscure information.? That's because they are miraculously good at looking through "everything" that's ever been written surrounding what you're asking about and also doing a mighty fine job of ferreting out what the questioner is really asking in a natural language question.? It's not perfect, nothing is, but the degree to which AI searches have improved and continue improving is just jaw-dropping. --
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
The most useful keystroke in the Office applications for me at least is ALT+Q for Search. ? ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of chaltain@... via groups.io
Sent: January 9, 2025 8:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365? I think everything said here would apply to the Classic Outlook? for anyone using it the first time. I know when I started using it the first time, it was pretty overwhelming and there were some basic things that took me quite a while to figure out. I’m still stumbling over new and useful features, even after using Outlook for around 10 years. ? ? -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ?a?a???t?? ??t???p????? via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 1:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365 ? Hello Brian/all, Although I have not used new outlook as it looks to me tedious and incomprehensible for a quick use of it, I am not one of those who will just keep being vociferous against it. However, I feel that there is a need for a scratch explanation and instructions for its use, in my case, related to jaws. Also, I am not aware of scripts facilitating such a use. Maybe, someone like David Kingsbury will reflect on this, but the thing is that I want to be able to see and act with my mail and folders quickly, not have to go forward and backward trying to understand what is going on. I am willing to learn, but want my comfort as well. For instance, I have two accounts and if I am thrown to the new outlook I do not seem to be able to detect them, just as an example. Not meant as criticism. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Cheers, ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Takis ? ? On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 07:17 PM, Jason White wrote: Meanwhile, any accessibility-related bugs in the New Outlook or in screen reader support (e.g., scripts) should be identified and reported, so they can be resolved before organizational users start encountering it as the default in 2026.
Indeed.? And the idea that bugs need to be reported, generally, applies.? Only when developers are made aware of issues, and their prevalence and impact in the user community, is there any hope of a fix and of accurate prioritization of making fixes. One of the reasons I don't understand the constant advice to avoid New Outlook is the fact that you (any you) will eventually have to use it.? Right now you have the option of toggling back and forth, and that's incredibly handy for learning about what's coming without the trauma of a flash cut.? But that also means you can't toggle for 5 minutes and make a definitive declaration about anything new. New Outlook was, without question, an accessibility nightmare in the preview stage.? That is simply no longer the case, and those who purport that it's inaccessible clearly have not worked with it, at all, recently, and I see that claim continuing to be made (though it was not here). Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) . . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym. ????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
I think everything said here would apply to the Classic Outlook? for anyone using it the first time. I know when I started using it the first time, it was pretty overwhelming
and there were some basic things that took me quite a while to figure out. I’m still stumbling over new and useful features, even after using Outlook for around 10 years.
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Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 1:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
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Hello Brian/all,
Although I have not used new outlook as it looks to me tedious and incomprehensible for a quick use of it, I am not one of those who will just keep being vociferous against
it. However, I feel that there is a need for a scratch explanation and instructions for its use, in my case, related to jaws. Also, I am not aware of scripts facilitating such a use. Maybe, someone like David Kingsbury will reflect on this, but the thing is
that I want to be able to see and act with my mail and folders quickly, not have to go forward and backward trying to understand what is going on. I am willing to learn, but want my comfort as well. For instance, I have two accounts and if I am thrown to the
new outlook I do not seem to be able to detect them, just as an example. Not meant as criticism.
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Cheers,
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Takis
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 07:17 PM, Jason White wrote:
Meanwhile, any accessibility-related bugs in the New Outlook or in screen reader support (e.g., scripts) should be identified and reported, so they can be resolved before organizational users start encountering it as the default in 2026.
Indeed.? And the idea that bugs need to be reported, generally, applies.? Only when developers are made aware of issues, and their prevalence and impact in the user community, is there any hope of a fix and of accurate prioritization of
making fixes.
One of the reasons I don't understand the constant advice to avoid New Outlook is the fact that you (any you) will eventually have to use it.? Right now you have the option of toggling back and forth, and that's incredibly handy for learning
about what's coming without the trauma of a flash cut.? But that also means you can't toggle for 5 minutes and make a definitive declaration about anything new.
New Outlook was, without question, an accessibility nightmare in the preview stage.? That is simply no longer the case, and those who purport that it's inaccessible clearly have not worked with it, at all, recently, and I see that claim
continuing to be made (though it was not here).
Brian?
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Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
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have a gym.
????? ~ Bret Stephens, in
New York Times Op-Ed,
,
June 18, 2019
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Hello Brian/all, Although I have not used new outlook as it looks to me tedious and incomprehensible for a quick use of it, I am not one of those who will just keep being vociferous against it. However, I feel that there is a need for a scratch explanation and instructions for its use, in my case, related to jaws. Also, I am not aware of scripts facilitating such a use. Maybe, someone like David Kingsbury will reflect on this, but the thing is that I want to be able to see and act with my mail and folders quickly, not have to go forward and backward trying to understand what is going on. I am willing to learn, but want my comfort as well. For instance, I have two accounts and if I am thrown to the new outlook I do not seem to be able to detect them, just as an example. Not meant as criticism. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Cheers, ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Takis ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 2:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365? On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 07:17 PM, Jason White wrote: Meanwhile, any accessibility-related bugs in the New Outlook or in screen reader support (e.g., scripts) should be identified and reported, so they can be resolved before organizational users start encountering it as the default in 2026.
Indeed.? And the idea that bugs need to be reported, generally, applies.? Only when developers are made aware of issues, and their prevalence and impact in the user community, is there any hope of a fix and of accurate prioritization of making fixes. One of the reasons I don't understand the constant advice to avoid New Outlook is the fact that you (any you) will eventually have to use it.? Right now you have the option of toggling back and forth, and that's incredibly handy for learning about what's coming without the trauma of a flash cut.? But that also means you can't toggle for 5 minutes and make a definitive declaration about anything new. New Outlook was, without question, an accessibility nightmare in the preview stage.? That is simply no longer the case, and those who purport that it's inaccessible clearly have not worked with it, at all, recently, and I see that claim continuing to be made (though it was not here). Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) . . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym. ????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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Re: multiple contacts folders..
Madison, ? I do not currently have a Microsoft Exchange account; rather am using an IMAP account, in classic Outlook 2019, on Windows 10, with JAWS 2025.? Based on my experience with such folders, it appears the folders labeled with “this computer only) contain content that was created on that computer, and nothing that wasn’t…assume you could transfer/import such data, but I’ve not been motivated to figure that out.? In other words, I have 2 calendar folders and 2 contact folders.? The folders without the “this computer only” are my active calendar/contacts; they were transferred or imported from use on other devices.? The folders labeled “this computer only,” have basically no content; 1 contact and 2 appointments; they were accidentally corrected, and I chose not to delete them or the folder.? In my case anyway, knowing all of this has been helpful, so that I can ensure I am using the proper folder.? Sometimes, when I go to the calendar or contacts, focus is on the default folders, “this computer only,” and that is how I accidently created the contact/appointments in the wrong folder.? Until I figured this out, it would freak me out that my contacts/appointments were gone when I opened calendar or contacts via Control 2 (calendar) or Control 3 (contacts).? Which just happened, because I opened the default contacts to confirm what content was there, and after returning to the in box, and using Control 3, I was of course in that folder.? I have learned how to switch to the desired folder, and for a while anyway, when I use Control 3, that folder displays. ? HTH Katrina? ?
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Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 2:29 PM
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Subject: [M365-Accessibility] multiple contacts folders..? Hi all, I have a Microsoft Exchange account and the other day when I was in the folder tree view I noticed that in addition to the contacts folder there are 2 underneath that are labeled contacts but after that it has (this computer only). Now I’ve never done anything with the contacts folder other then creating/editing/deleting contacts much less created other contacts folders. Any idea why these other two folders are there and does this mean that my contacts aren’t being stored in the cloud (I thought Microsoft Exchange accounts saved all outlook data to the cloud automatically)? If so then what do I need to do to ensure that this is happening (I have a lot of contacts and I know at some point I’ll have to get a new laptop and I really don’t want to have to re-create all of the contacts I have)? I’m using the latest versions of M365, JAWS 2025 and Windows 11 24h2. Madison
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
We should not accept minor bugs and also be careful when reporting issues they are actual true bugs not how you would like to use the product. If you feel the product could be improved by some enhancement, then call that out as an enhancement not a bug. ? EG: If there is content on the page that should be a heading, then call it out as such. But if you want a shortcut key to do something, then this is not a bug. Just giving simple examples. ? Going to Web UI is going to impact your usability of the product for Outlook. AS there are some serious issues when creating emails when you have multiple line edit fields. This is a long term issue with the web app as there is no clear support from the browser vendors. ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 11:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365? Meanwhile, any accessibility-related bugs in the New Outlook or in screen reader support (e.g., scripts) should be identified and reported, so they can be resolved before organizational users start encountering it as the default in 2026. ? I haven’t noticed any major bugs, but I’m not using it extensively, and I can easily work around minor issues. ? Also, and not aimed specifically at you, Leo, I really don't want this group becoming the "bash New Outlook" group because, like it or not, New Outlook is going to be Outlook, period, end of sentence and discussion. Microsoft has not been at all unclear about how the rollout of New Outlook was to occur and we are in the period designated in this announcement, , as Stage 2: Opt out.? That means that the default installation going forward (including any major updates) will give you New Outlook as the default user interface.? If you don't want it, then you take the steps to turn the Outlook Classic UI back on again. Eventually, several years from now, Stage 3: Cutover, will arive and New Outlook will be Outlook. Plan accordingly. Microsoft's gonna do what Microsoft wants to do (pretty much as it always has, or at least has for decades now). Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) . . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym. ????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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One person’s “minor issue” is another person’s major frustration. So I encourage you to report those “minor issues”. Personally, I am not interested in using a beta product of Office.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 7:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365? Meanwhile, any accessibility-related bugs in the New Outlook or in screen reader support (e.g., scripts) should be identified and reported, so they can be resolved before organizational users start encountering it as the default in 2026. ? I haven’t noticed any major bugs, but I’m not using it extensively, and I can easily work around minor issues. ? Also, and not aimed specifically at you, Leo, I really don't want this group becoming the "bash New Outlook" group because, like it or not, New Outlook is going to be Outlook, period, end of sentence and discussion. Microsoft has not been at all unclear about how the rollout of New Outlook was to occur and we are in the period designated in this announcement, , as Stage 2: Opt out.? That means that the default installation going forward (including any major updates) will give you New Outlook as the default user interface.? If you don't want it, then you take the steps to turn the Outlook Classic UI back on again. Eventually, several years from now, Stage 3: Cutover, will arive and New Outlook will be Outlook. Plan accordingly. Microsoft's gonna do what Microsoft wants to do (pretty much as it always has, or at least has for decades now). Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) . . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym. ????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 07:17 PM, Jason White wrote:
Meanwhile, any accessibility-related bugs in the New Outlook or in screen reader support (e.g., scripts) should be identified and reported, so they can be resolved before organizational users start encountering it as the default in 2026.
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Indeed.? And the idea that bugs need to be reported, generally, applies.? Only when developers are made aware of issues, and their prevalence and impact in the user community, is there any hope of a fix and of accurate prioritization of making fixes.
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One of the reasons I don't understand the constant advice to avoid New Outlook is the fact that you (any you) will eventually have to use it.? Right now you have the option of toggling back and forth, and that's incredibly handy for learning about what's coming without the trauma of a flash cut.? But that also means you can't toggle for 5 minutes and make a definitive declaration about anything new.
?
New Outlook was, without question, an accessibility nightmare in the preview stage.? That is simply no longer the case, and those who purport that it's inaccessible clearly have not worked with it, at all, recently, and I see that claim continuing to be made (though it was not here).
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
Meanwhile, any accessibility-related bugs in the New Outlook or in screen reader support (e.g., scripts) should be identified and reported, so they can be resolved before organizational users start encountering
it as the default in 2026.
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I haven’t noticed any major bugs, but I’m not using it extensively, and I can easily work around minor issues.
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Also, and not aimed specifically at you, Leo, I really don't want this group becoming the "bash New Outlook" group because, like it or not, New Outlook is going to be Outlook, period, end of sentence and discussion.
Microsoft has not been at all unclear about how the rollout of New Outlook was to occur and we are in the period designated in this announcement,
, as Stage 2: Opt out.? That means that the default installation going forward (including any major updates) will give you New Outlook as
the default user interface.? If you don't want it, then you take the steps to turn the Outlook Classic UI back on again.
Eventually, several years from now, Stage 3: Cutover, will arive and New Outlook will be Outlook. Plan accordingly.
Microsoft's gonna do what Microsoft wants to do (pretty much as it always has, or at least has for decades now).
Brian?
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Re: Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word)
On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 06:23 PM, Brian Lee wrote:
Ctrl with spacebar and choosing close from the menu
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If one wants to go this route, which makes perfect sense, you can just do Ctrl + SpaceBar, C.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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Re: Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word)
On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 05:25 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
That is precisely the issue; I do not wish for the text to remain there. I am utilizing this field solely as a temporary space for translation purposes. I paste the text elsewhere afterward.
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Then I don't quite know why you're using Word's built in translation tool, as that's not the easiest way, in my opinion, to do a translation that is not intended to be put in the source document, but is intended for elsewhere, when the source text is a selection.
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When I'm trying to do something like this, I use something like Google Translate, Worldlingo, etc., into which I paste the source text and out of which I copy the translated text.? The extra step of having to copy/paste the source text is, to me, well worth it.
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But to each his or her own.
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. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
Also, and not aimed specifically at you, Leo, I really don't want this group becoming the "bash New Outlook" group because, like it or not, New Outlook is going to be Outlook, period, end of sentence and discussion.
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Microsoft has not been at all unclear about how the rollout of New Outlook was to occur and we are in the period designated in this announcement, , as Stage 2: Opt out.? That means that the default installation going forward (including any major updates) will give you New Outlook as the default user interface.? If you don't want it, then you take the steps to turn the Outlook Classic UI back on again.
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Eventually, several years from now, Stage 3: Cutover, will arive and New Outlook will be Outlook. Plan accordingly.
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Microsoft's gonna do what Microsoft wants to do (pretty much as it always has, or at least has for decades now).
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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Re: microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
The fact is that up through 2029 (provided it's not controlled by an organization you are a part of) any end user can choose to continue using the Outlook Classic user interface versus the New Outlook user interface.
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Eventually, New Outlook (with additional features still in Outlook Classic being added in over the next four years) will be the only Outlook.
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JAWS 2025 is supposed to have scripting to behave better with New Outlook compared to earlier versions.? I am not having to toggle the equivalent of virtual cursor on/off when using New Outlook with NVDA.? Nor do I need to do it with Outlook for Windows, where the UI is virtually identical to New Outlook.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
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Re: Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word)
Hello Sarah,
It is not Alt with spacebar to get the menu for closing the pane. As you mentioned in one of your messages, that keystroke will close the application. The keystroke for closing the pane is Ctrl with spacebar and choosing close from the menu.
Take care.
Brian Lee
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 2:25 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Using the Translation Tool in Microsoft Word (and other Office Suite programs more broadly, but this tutorial focuses on Word) On 1/8/2025 2:20 PM, Brian Vogel via groups.io wrote: If you want the translated text to be inserted back into the document
in place of the originally selected text, then the Insert button must
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That is precisely the issue; I do not wish for the text to remain there. I am utilizing this field solely as a temporary space for translation purposes. I paste the text elsewhere afterward. I have resorted to copying the translated text and pasting it where it belongs. I intend to attempt the alternate space method someone mentioned to see if it will cause the dialogue to disappear. -- ---------- Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind. Visit my website ( ) to read my story. Microsoft Windows Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621) workstation AMD64 [64 bit] NVDA 2023.3 [32 bit] Microsoft Office 16.0.17029.20028 [64 bit]
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microsoft trying to push out the New Outlook to replace the classic in M365
Hey folks, this have just happened to me after updating Outlook classic. After the update, a dialogue popped up prompting me to restart Outlook for the changes to take effect, and after my conformation, the the interface of the New Outlook came about.? It is just the same piece of garbage, but the weird thing is that I closed the window because I couldn’t move around, as it is usual with this interface, yes I know we must turn on the virtual cursor, but I don want to make an extra step every time I launch my e-mail client.? Anyway, I went to the system Tray Icons, and I noticed that Outlook was still active, so I maximized the window and the classic interface came up. So, all I can say is that Microsoft is trying to push out this piece of garbage, just for anyone here who may find themselves in this same situation and want to avoid this tarnish nail! ? ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ?
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