Re: A Thought Exercise on Saving Files in the Age of AutoSave
Enes,
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For anything important, large or small, having automatic version history for that document (whether Word, Excel, or PowerPoint) is just critically important.
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I've seen just as many people crying because they've done a day to several days worth of work that, for whatever reason, they realize is "trash" and needs to be backed out.? That can take as much time, or more, than it did to add it in the first place.? The ability to just go to version history and say, "Give me the version of this material from 2 days ago (or 2 hours ago)," is unbelievably invaluable in terms of both time and stress savings.? You also still have the "version with the junk" as what's now a historical version, too, were you to change your mind.
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I've on occasion just wanted to check out what something looked like months ago, and I can pull that up from version history in seconds.? You don't have to keep anything you pull up from version history.? You make the choice whether it becomes "the new, latest copy" or not.
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Re: A Thought Exercise on Saving Files in the Age of AutoSave
Hi Brian, This autosave feature is soooo important when working on large projects.? One of my professors at Cambridge said that somehow a student was basically done with their masters theses, but dropped their laptop into a bathtub, and lost a majority of it, had to go back to an earlier copy and re-write a substantial portion of it.? When I? was ?writing it, I saved in One Drive, but also sent myself chapters and sections to my university e-mail. ?
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] A Thought Exercise on Saving Files in the Age of AutoSave? I'm giving his topic a bump in light of recent discussions of OneDrive.? One of the least understood features of using OneDrive with the Office Suite programs is AutoSave, which to me as an IT professional is truly the best thing since sliced bread.? I cannot count the number of times someone has called me in tears (literally) because they somehow made modifications to a file they never intended, and saved them, or else accidentally deleted a file and had since emptied the Recycle Bin that's local to the computer.? Both of these things become a non-issue with M365 used in conjunction with OneDrive for storage of the Documents library.?? I've written about this in detail in these two documents: Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 02:34 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
I can’t think of anyone in my personal or professional circle using OneDrive.
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I'll buy that many are not conscious that they're using OneDrive, but not that they're literally not using OneDrive if they're running under Windows 11 and using M365.
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Straight out of the box, if you set up Windows 11 with a Microsoft Account, the classic Documents, Pictures, and Music libraries are redirected to OneDrive from the moment you first get to your desktop.? If you're an M365 user, that means the 1 TB of space that comes with M365, if you're a non-M365 user the redirection is to the free OneDrive which only has 5GB storage (which is a PITA, and I don't think should be done, as 5GB is just not enough space for virtually anyone - and you end up "redirecting the redirection" back to use the disk drive on the computer).
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But I'm constantly walking into situations where the client swears they're not using OneDrive, but they are, because it's so tightly integrated with both Windows 11 and M365.? They just have no idea that they are.
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I don't know of many professional offices that do use M365 that don't also use OneDrive where it syncs to the SharePoint storage they get with the business subscriptions to M365 (and which also tends to involve Teams, too).
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Re: A Thought Exercise on Saving Files in the Age of AutoSave
I'm giving his topic a bump in light of recent discussions of OneDrive.? One of the least understood features of using OneDrive with the Office Suite programs is AutoSave, which to me as an IT professional is truly the best thing since sliced bread.? I cannot count the number of times someone has called me in tears (literally) because they somehow made modifications to a file they never intended, and saved them, or else accidentally deleted a file and had since emptied the Recycle Bin that's local to the computer.? Both of these things become a non-issue with M365 used in conjunction with OneDrive for storage of the Documents library.??
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I've written about this in detail in these two documents:
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 03:12 PM, David Diamond wrote:
This could be old info, however, when I had drop box, a TB of storage cost $150 per year.
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Which is why I say, even if it cost $10 per year, and you are not using more than 1 TB storage to begin with and are an M365 user, it makes no sense to purchase additional third party cloud storage.? Since 1 TB comes "with the M365 seat" why not just use it?
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Current DropBox pricing is available here: ??
The least expensive is the Plus level at $9.99 per month for 2 TB storage, and that's at the annual billing rate, which is less expensive than monthly, and comes out to $119.88/year.? Even if I had to use 2 of the 6 seats available under M365 (and I could with two separate Microsoft Accounts) and at the Copilot enabled Family subscription rate of $129.99 per year, that would still leave 4 shareable seats all of which have 1 TB of their own.? And even though you can't "own" all 6 TB of Family storage under a single Microsoft Account, you can set up sharing folders between accounts, allowing you to easily shuttle things to whichever seat you wish.? Even after decades of collecting stuff and not being nearly as good about cleaning up after myself as I should be, I still have used only a hair over half of that 1 TB I have for my seat.
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It's interesting how people pick and choose favorites, and no one is right or wrong about any of them, because it comes down to a matter of taste.? But when it comes down to costs, regardless of what your favorite may be, that can't be argued.? I have never been able to stand Dropbox and it's the least preferable file sharing service of "the big ones" for me.? But I never used any file sharing other than Google Drive prior to dumping Office 2016 for M365.? The fact that I can have direct access to the same data store on every PC I have an account on in my household (3) as well as my mobile devices (2) was like nothing short of a miracle.? When you add in that the same is true for my partner and brother-in-law, who are the 2 people with whom M365 seat sharing is active, there is simply nothing out there that beats $99.99 (no Copilot) or $129.99 (Copilot for the primary subscriber) for that kind of cloud storage space coupled with the latest and greatest of the Office suite tools plus a couple more.
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
This could be old info, however, when I had drop box, a TB of storage cost $150 per year. That remember is just for drop box, it obviously did not include any email programs.? I
thought, why should I pay that much when with office 365 included 1 TB of storage and came in at a cheaper price, from what I can remember.? ?
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For me, the two benefits for using OneDrive are not only the synchronization capabilities, which I know I could also set up with Dropbox or Google Drive, but the storage capacity. I don’t know
what Google or Dropbox would charge for a terabyte of storage but since I already get it with my M365 subscription it’s quite a benefit, as far as I’m concerned. I have hours of audio drama, TV shows as well as tons of books and having that terabyte of cloud
storage is so helpful for me.
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For my part, I have everything stored and shared on Dropbox. In fact, I can’t think of anyone in my personal or professional circle using OneDrive.
Those not on Dropbox are using Google Drive, which is its own complication but one I’ve learned to deal.
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In the end, it sounds as though I will have to use at least some of the 1 TB of available space if I want CoPilot to work with multiple files. I
find this slightly irksome, but the point made about everything working within an ecosystem somewhat makes sense. It does put a damper on the sales pitch that CoPilot is somehow ubiquitous, particularly for PCs being touted as CoPilot machines. Based on what
I’m now learning, that isn’t exactly true, is it?
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Joe
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I use two devices, an iPhone 13 Mini and a desktop computer running Windows 10 and Office 2019 Pro as its main software along with several utility programs. I've found Dropbox to be exemplary as a bridge between my iPhone
and desktop computer through the years and my take on Microsoft's recent activity regarding Windows updates and what I mentioned regarding Copilot and Outlook to be abysmal especially for those of us dependent on accessibility software. I don't think they've
done much better with One Drive and its various iterations.?
I recognize I'm more than a bit of a dinosaur with my attitudes towards upgrades, etc. but as I've been using computers since 1981, please don't try to convince me of the error of my ways.?
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On Jan 27, 2025, at 11:14?AM, Brian Vogel via
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 10:28 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:
And it will be a cold day in hell before I use One Drive versus Dropbox
Serious question:? Why?? I'm not asking you to justify your decision, but I'm always interested in people's rationales when it comes to things like this, particularly where intense dislike is involved.
I still use Google Drive a lot mostly for things like the tutorials I write because I expect that my Google Accounts will still be around long after I'm dead and gone unless someone who's settling my estate were to delete
them (which I won't be directing them to) while my OneDrive data will go with me after my death because I won't be paying for the service to continue.
But one thing I love about OneDrive (and it's not really a OneDrive feature, but what third parties have elected to do with OneDrive sharing links) is that sharing links are almost always presented as the file or folder
name of the thing being shared when pasted into messages such as this one.? A good example of that being the screenshot I used in the tutorial the other day that shows the bottom of the Subscription Cancellation window for Microsoft Family 365.? I didn't create
the hyperlink to the file, , myself.? I just pasted in the OneDrive sharing link and the Groups.io software snagged the actual filename and hyperlinked it automatically.?
I'm seeing that happen all over the place when it comes to online venues and OneDrive sharing links.? Why most of them did not and do not do this for other file sharing services including but not limited to Dropbox and Google Drive I do not know.? But when
I'm sharing a file from Google Drive I end up manually creating a download link and then using that to manually create the hyperlink with the name/description of the thing being linked to.? It's a far more tedious process (which is why I have an MS-Word file
where I keep the hyperlinks I've created, adding new ones over time, so I only have to do this once).
Brian?
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For me, the two benefits for using OneDrive are not only the synchronization capabilities, which I know I could also set up with Dropbox or Google Drive, but the storage capacity. I don’t know what Google
or Dropbox would charge for a terabyte of storage but since I already get it with my M365 subscription it’s quite a benefit, as far as I’m concerned. I have hours of audio drama, TV shows as well as tons of books and having that terabyte of cloud storage is
so helpful for me.
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For my part, I have everything stored and shared on Dropbox. In fact, I can’t think of anyone in my personal or professional circle using OneDrive. Those not
on Dropbox are using Google Drive, which is its own complication but one I’ve learned to deal.
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In the end, it sounds as though I will have to use at least some of the 1 TB of available space if I want CoPilot to work with multiple files. I find this slightly
irksome, but the point made about everything working within an ecosystem somewhat makes sense. It does put a damper on the sales pitch that CoPilot is somehow ubiquitous, particularly for PCs being touted as CoPilot machines. Based on what I’m now learning,
that isn’t exactly true, is it?
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Joe
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I use two devices, an iPhone 13 Mini and a desktop computer running Windows 10 and Office 2019 Pro as its main software along with several utility programs. I've found Dropbox to be exemplary as a bridge between my iPhone and desktop computer
through the years and my take on Microsoft's recent activity regarding Windows updates and what I mentioned regarding Copilot and Outlook to be abysmal especially for those of us dependent on accessibility software. I don't think they've done much better with
One Drive and its various iterations.?
I recognize I'm more than a bit of a dinosaur with my attitudes towards upgrades, etc. but as I've been using computers since 1981, please don't try to convince me of the error of my ways.?
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 10:28 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:
And it will be a cold day in hell before I use One Drive versus Dropbox
Serious question:? Why?? I'm not asking you to justify your decision, but I'm always interested in people's rationales when it comes to things like this, particularly where intense dislike is involved.
I still use Google Drive a lot mostly for things like the tutorials I write because I expect that my Google Accounts will still be around long after I'm dead and gone unless someone who's settling my estate were to delete them (which I
won't be directing them to) while my OneDrive data will go with me after my death because I won't be paying for the service to continue.
But one thing I love about OneDrive (and it's not really a OneDrive feature, but what third parties have elected to do with OneDrive sharing links) is that sharing links are almost always presented as the file or folder name of the thing
being shared when pasted into messages such as this one.? A good example of that being the screenshot I used in the tutorial the other day that shows the bottom of the Subscription Cancellation window for Microsoft Family 365.? I didn't create the hyperlink
to the file, , myself.? I just pasted in the OneDrive sharing link and the Groups.io software snagged the actual filename and hyperlinked it automatically.?
I'm seeing that happen all over the place when it comes to online venues and OneDrive sharing links.? Why most of them did not and do not do this for other file sharing services including but not limited to Dropbox and Google Drive I do not know.? But when
I'm sharing a file from Google Drive I end up manually creating a download link and then using that to manually create the hyperlink with the name/description of the thing being linked to.? It's a far more tedious process (which is why I have an MS-Word file
where I keep the hyperlinks I've created, adding new ones over time, so I only have to do this once).
Brian?
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For my part, I have everything stored and shared on Dropbox.
In fact, I can’t think of anyone in my personal or professional circle using
OneDrive. Those not on Dropbox are using Google Drive, which is its own
complication but one I’ve learned to deal.
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In the end, it sounds as though I will have to use at least
some of the 1 TB of available space if I want CoPilot to work with multiple
files. I find this slightly irksome, but the point made about everything
working within an ecosystem somewhat makes sense. It does put a damper on the
sales pitch that CoPilot is somehow ubiquitous, particularly for PCs being
touted as CoPilot machines. Based on what I’m now learning, that isn’t exactly
true, is it?
?
Joe
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I use two devices, an iPhone 13 Mini and a desktop computer running Windows 10 and Office 2019 Pro as its main software along with several utility programs. I've found Dropbox to be exemplary as a bridge between my iPhone and desktop computer through the years and my take on Microsoft's recent activity regarding Windows updates and what I mentioned regarding Copilot and Outlook to be abysmal especially for those of us dependent on accessibility software. I don't think they've done much better with One Drive and its various iterations.?
I recognize I'm more than a bit of a dinosaur with my attitudes towards upgrades, etc. but as I've been using computers since 1981, please don't try to convince me of the error of my ways.?
Alan Lemly? ? On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 10:28 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:
And it will be a cold day in hell before I use One Drive versus Dropbox
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Serious question:? Why?? I'm not asking you to justify your decision, but I'm always interested in people's rationales when it comes to things like this, particularly where intense dislike is involved.
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I still use Google Drive a lot mostly for things like the tutorials I write because I expect that my Google Accounts will still be around long after I'm dead and gone unless someone who's settling my estate were to delete them (which I won't be directing them to) while my OneDrive data will go with me after my death because I won't be paying for the service to continue.
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But one thing I love about OneDrive (and it's not really a OneDrive feature, but what third parties have elected to do with OneDrive sharing links) is that sharing links are almost always presented as the file or folder name of the thing being shared when pasted into messages such as this one.? A good example of that being the screenshot I used in the tutorial the other day that shows the bottom of the Subscription Cancellation window for Microsoft Family 365.? I didn't create the hyperlink to the file, , myself.? I just pasted in the OneDrive sharing link and the Groups.io software snagged the actual filename and hyperlinked it automatically.? I'm seeing that happen all over the place when it comes to online venues and OneDrive sharing links.? Why most of them did not and do not do this for other file sharing services including but not limited to Dropbox and Google Drive I do not know.? But when I'm sharing a file from Google Drive I end up manually creating a download link and then using that to manually create the hyperlink with the name/description of the thing being linked to.? It's a far more tedious process (which is why I have an MS-Word file where I keep the hyperlinks I've created, adding new ones over time, so I only have to do this once).
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I use two devices, an iPhone 13 Mini and a desktop computer running Windows 10 and Office 2019 Pro as its main software along with several utility programs. I've found Dropbox to be exemplary as a bridge between my iPhone and desktop computer through the years and my take on Microsoft's recent activity regarding Windows updates and what I mentioned regarding Copilot and Outlook to be abysmal especially for those of us dependent on accessibility software. I don't think they've done much better with One Drive and its various iterations.?
I recognize I'm more than a bit of a dinosaur with my attitudes towards upgrades, etc. but as I've been using computers since 1981, please don't try to convince me of the error of my ways.?
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On Jan 27, 2025, at 11:14?AM, Brian Vogel via groups.io <britechguy@...> wrote:
? On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 10:28 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:
And it will be a cold day in hell before I use One Drive versus Dropbox
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Serious question:? Why?? I'm not asking you to justify your decision, but I'm always interested in people's rationales when it comes to things like this, particularly where intense dislike is involved.
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I still use Google Drive a lot mostly for things like the tutorials I write because I expect that my Google Accounts will still be around long after I'm dead and gone unless someone who's settling my estate were to delete them (which I won't be directing them to) while my OneDrive data will go with me after my death because I won't be paying for the service to continue.
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But one thing I love about OneDrive (and it's not really a OneDrive feature, but what third parties have elected to do with OneDrive sharing links) is that sharing links are almost always presented as the file or folder name of the thing being shared when pasted into messages such as this one.? A good example of that being the screenshot I used in the tutorial the other day that shows the bottom of the Subscription Cancellation window for Microsoft Family 365.? I didn't create the hyperlink to the file, , myself.? I just pasted in the OneDrive sharing link and the Groups.io software snagged the actual filename and hyperlinked it automatically.? I'm seeing that happen all over the place when it comes to online venues and OneDrive sharing links.? Why most of them did not and do not do this for other file sharing services including but not limited to Dropbox and Google Drive I do not know.? But when I'm sharing a file from Google Drive I end up manually creating a download link and then using that to manually create the hyperlink with the name/description of the thing being linked to.? It's a far more tedious process (which is why I have an MS-Word file where I keep the hyperlinks I've created, adding new ones over time, so I only have to do this once).
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 10:28 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:
And it will be a cold day in hell before I use One Drive versus Dropbox
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Serious question:? Why?? I'm not asking you to justify your decision, but I'm always interested in people's rationales when it comes to things like this, particularly where intense dislike is involved.
?
I still use Google Drive a lot mostly for things like the tutorials I write because I expect that my Google Accounts will still be around long after I'm dead and gone unless someone who's settling my estate were to delete them (which I won't be directing them to) while my OneDrive data will go with me after my death because I won't be paying for the service to continue.
?
But one thing I love about OneDrive (and it's not really a OneDrive feature, but what third parties have elected to do with OneDrive sharing links) is that sharing links are almost always presented as the file or folder name of the thing being shared when pasted into messages such as this one.? A good example of that being the screenshot I used in the tutorial the other day that shows the bottom of the Subscription Cancellation window for Microsoft Family 365.? I didn't create the hyperlink to the file, , myself.? I just pasted in the OneDrive sharing link and the Groups.io software snagged the actual filename and hyperlinked it automatically.? I'm seeing that happen all over the place when it comes to online venues and OneDrive sharing links.? Why most of them did not and do not do this for other file sharing services including but not limited to Dropbox and Google Drive I do not know.? But when I'm sharing a file from Google Drive I end up manually creating a download link and then using that to manually create the hyperlink with the name/description of the thing being linked to.? It's a far more tedious process (which is why I have an MS-Word file where I keep the hyperlinks I've created, adding new ones over time, so I only have to do this once).
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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Well, I thought Joe's question was good. In my opinion, Microsoft gets very poor marks for its written communication skills of late whether one is addressing Copilot integration or the mess it made of its various versions of Outlook and which one is used for what. And it will be a cold day in hell before I use One Drive versus Dropbox regardless of the economic benefits of doing so. As we should all know, there are costs other than just money when choosing a software product to use.?
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On Jan 27, 2025, at 9:02?AM, Brian Vogel via groups.io <britechguy@...> wrote:
? On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 08:22 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
Now, here’s the secret. The document must reside in OneDrive. No other option or way to circumvent this.
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And there's little surprise there simply because of the type of access and transforms going on in the background.? Copilot doesn't get that kind of "access on demand" just anywhere because the hooks to support it are not built in.
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I've said on multiple occasions that the concept that M365 is, "Just a replacement for Office," needs to be struck down.? M365 is not, and never has been, just an Office suite under another name, but a full blown ecosystem.? The integrated AI capabilities are designed to work within that ecosystem.
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I also thank you for having made the point in your dedicated post that we need to give details about exactly which M365 ecosystem we're working with, and under what version of Windows, and using what screen reader.? On tech support groups, and this is one that's focused on M365 and Office and accessibility for same, in order to give useful and accurate answers everyone's got to be "on the same page" and having the information you noted and I've repeated is the foundation for that.
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I will say, though, that on this group my base presumption, in the absence of full information, is that the M365 being asked about is either Personal or Family.? There are very few of our members using other variants, and those who are should always note that.? My answers will always be based on the features in M365 Personal or Family because that's all I have direct access to.??
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I agree with Brian,
If you can return it, I would.
It won't be worth the time to get it fixed, and no, stick with M365.
Richard, USA,
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off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things
will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gaston Bedard via groups.io Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 7:00 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] M365 ecosystem, subscription plans, and Copilot capabilities Yes, I agree with you folks about asking specific questions. But, some of us are not yet experts. this older blind hearing aid user is somewhat frustrated with my new Acer desktop running Windows 11. With Office 365. Perhapss, I should have purchased Office 2024. The reason is that the Acer is behaving weirdlike, and the screen reader is not reading smoothly. I tried scanning printed papers with OpenBook 9 and it crashed. OpenBook works fine with my other Windows computer. It is an HP laptop running Windows 10. With Office 2019. And, the tech guy was here twice. Thanks for your expertise. Gaston
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Gaston,
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Welcome, but you've just kind of disproven your own opening premise implying that tech expertise is required in order to give necessary detail so that all who are potential assistants have a clear picture of your environment.
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You went on to give precisely that information for two different machines.
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BTW, something's wrong with your new computer, but you already know that.? And I'd say if it's been looked at by a professional, is still misbehaving, and is still within the period where it could be returned (whether for refund or exchange) that's what I'd be doing.? There are "lemons" in the computing world just as there are in the automotive world.? One advantage you'll have, at least, is that if you were using M365 and OneDrive from the moment you set the computer up all of your data in Documents, Pictures, and Music are on OneDrive in the cloud and will sync back to any machine where you set it up with OneDrive with the same Microsoft Account.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
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Yes, I agree with you folks about asking specific questions.
But, some of us are not yet experts.
this older blind hearing aid user is somewhat frustrated with my new Acer
desktop running Windows 11.
With Office 365.
Perhapss, I should have purchased Office 2024.
The reason is that the Acer is behaving weirdlike, and the screen reader is
not reading smoothly.
I tried scanning printed papers with OpenBook 9 and it crashed.
OpenBook works fine with my other Windows computer.
It is an HP laptop running Windows 10.
With Office 2019.
And, the tech guy was here twice.
Thanks for your expertise.
Gaston
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 08:22 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
Now, here’s the secret. The document must reside in OneDrive. No other option or way to circumvent this.
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And there's little surprise there simply because of the type of access and transforms going on in the background.? Copilot doesn't get that kind of "access on demand" just anywhere because the hooks to support it are not built in.
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I've said on multiple occasions that the concept that M365 is, "Just a replacement for Office," needs to be struck down.? M365 is not, and never has been, just an Office suite under another name, but a full blown ecosystem.? The integrated AI capabilities are designed to work within that ecosystem.
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I also thank you for having made the point in your dedicated post that we need to give details about exactly which M365 ecosystem we're working with, and under what version of Windows, and using what screen reader.? On tech support groups, and this is one that's focused on M365 and Office and accessibility for same, in order to give useful and accurate answers everyone's got to be "on the same page" and having the information you noted and I've repeated is the foundation for that.
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I will say, though, that on this group my base presumption, in the absence of full information, is that the M365 being asked about is either Personal or Family.? There are very few of our members using other variants, and those who are should always note that.? My answers will always be based on the features in M365 Personal or Family because that's all I have direct access to.??
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
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Well stated, Leo. And posters please keep your subjects as detailed as possible.?
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On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:40?AM, Leo Bado via groups.io <leobado1982@...> wrote:
? Hello folks. ? As Microsoft targets different segments of users ?to deliver relevant products services according to their needs and expectations, I believe we should provide very specific information related to these aspects when we ask on this mailing list ?to get closer to accurate, helpful responses. Office 2024 is not the same as Office apps in M365, and M365 family and school or work are not the same as M365 business subscription. To make things even more complex, Copilot integrated in any of the plans mentioned before doesn’t offer all the capabilities that Copilot Pro offers, and Copilot Pro doesn’t offer the same capabilities an features across all plans.? So, let’s be specific when asking on the list to discover all the benefits of using These services. ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ?
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Hello folks. ? As Microsoft targets different segments of users ?to deliver relevant products services according to their needs and expectations, I believe we should provide very specific information related to these aspects when we ask on this mailing list ?to get closer to accurate, helpful responses. Office 2024 is not the same as Office apps in M365, and M365 family and school or work are not the same as M365 business subscription. To make things even more complex, Copilot integrated in any of the plans mentioned before doesn’t offer all the capabilities that Copilot Pro offers, and Copilot Pro doesn’t offer the same capabilities an features across all plans.? So, let’s be specific when asking on the list to discover all the benefits of using These services. ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ?
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Quote I’d read somewhere that in order to work with multiple files, the files would all have to reside in OneDrive
Unquote ? Yes, however this feature is only available for M365 business subscribers (commercial users), which by the way, can use some other quite useful Copilot features. ? Now, let’s clarify something. In January 2025, Microsoft made available Copilot for all personal and family users (consumers), which brought about very ?specific AI capabilities that are limited in comparison to Copilot for commercial users. This has always been the case since Microsoft launched the AI integration in the M365 ecosystem. So, working with multiple files residing in OneDrive? is only available for business subscribers. Now, let’s tackle what exactly means “working with multiple files.” This simply means that the user can reference (select) multiple files stored in either OneDrive or SharePoint an ask Copilot to do something drawing on the information contained in such documents. ? Now, in my own experience, let’s tackle the fact of why could be relevant using OneDrive and Copilot if one owns a personal or family subscription. Insofar as Excell, I can’t tell much because I hardly ever use it, but I heard that for some things the document you’re working on should reside in OneDrive undoubtedly. On PowerPoint, the only advantage I’ve found is document transformation from a link. Let me clarify this. Let’s say I want to create a PowerPoint presentation from a file that I wrote. I can simply go to the file explorer on my Windows PC, search for my document, and using the “share” option,? generate a link as if I were to send this link via e-mail to a friend of mine. ?Then, instead of sending this link to my friend, I rather launch PowerPoint, bring up Copilot pane, an introduce the following prompt: ? Create a PowerPoint presentation from the document available in the following link:? LinkToYourDocument” ? Wait for a few seconds and you’ll see magic. Now, here’s the secret. The document must reside in OneDrive. No other option or way to circumvent this. ? ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ? ? Yes, but I thought I’d read somewhere that in order to work with multiple files, the files would all have to reside in OneDrive. That’s what I’m trying to clarify. I’m hoping you’re absolutely correct, and my previous impression is completely inaccurate. ? Joe ? -- Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission
? ? Joe, I don’t see the connection. OneDrive is a file synchronization service. Copilot is Microsoft’s AI service. ? David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist ?
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? Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive blindness technology news, events and information. Email: [email protected] ? ? ? Hi, ? Can someone please clarify the use of OneDrive as part of Copilot on M365? I use Dropbox as my primary platform, have no interest in switching to OneDrive, but as a result, what features would I be missing out on with Copilot? ? Thanks in advance, ? Joe ? -- Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:50 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
Valuable reminder here that sometimes it really does pay to put in a little research as opposed to posting to a list.
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It always does, really.? It also helps (and I should have, but didn't) to make the scope of an answer clear.? Since most of us here are either M365 Personal or Family subscribers, we don't have access to the use cases mentioned.? The first item on the page you gave the link to asks:
Q: Where is Copilot in OneDrive currently available?
A: Copilot in OneDrive is currently available on OneDrive Web for commercial users only.
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So, for most of us here, who are not commercial users, and who seldom use OneDrive Web, there's no connection at all between OneDrive and Copilot.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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Never mind. Valuable reminder here that sometimes it really does pay to put in a little research as opposed to posting to a list. ? ?
What are the use cases for Copilot in OneDrive?
Copilot unlocks great new ways of engaging with your files. Here are a few use cases to get you started: §? Ask questions on information in your files and Copilot will give you answers directly in chat. Now you don't need to search and open files to get what you're looking for, simply ask Copilot and get answers. §? Copilot can help you catch up on multiple files by quickly summarizing them. Need to get the main points of an 80-page PDF report before a meeting? Just ask Copilot! §? Reference existing files in your OneDrive to get Copilot's help on things like preparing FAQs, recommendations on improving a file for an executive meeting, or comparing the main differences between two documents. §? Copilot is also great at helping you compare the differences between two or more files. You can ask Copilot to create a table or a text summary of two or more files without having to open and close your files. ? ?
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] OneDrive and Copilot? On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:05 AM, Joe Orozco wrote: Yes, but I thought I’d read somewhere that in order to work with multiple files, the files would all have to reside in OneDrive.
I believe you're mixing something up/together because I can't make heads or tails of that statement (which is incorrect in multiple ways). Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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