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Singleton amplifier loop gain simulation(Stability margins)


 

Hello. I am trying to simulate the loop gain of this kind of amplifier but i cant. i want to find gain margin and phase margin.can you help?


I uploaded LTspice file in temp folder here: ?


John Woodgate
 

In message <l82gt4+nphhn5@...>, dated Sun, 8 Dec 2013, vegetat55@... writes:

Hello. I am trying to simulate the loop gain of this kind of amplifier but i cant. i want to find gain margin and phase margin.can you help?


I uploaded LTspice file in temp folder here:
Please upload the schematic, not the net list. It's far easier to help with a schematic.
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the file i posted is at?Files > Temp


named Singleton amplifier loop gain simulation(Gain & phase margins).asc


John Woodgate
 

In message <l82hrs+nqehh0@...>, dated Sun, 8 Dec 2013,
vegetat55@... writes:

the file i posted is at?Files > Temp


named Singleton amplifier loop gain simulation(Gain & phase margins).as
What are C1 and R1 for? If you disable this network by making R1 = 1
meg, it seems to work as predicted.
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John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK


 

John,


R1 is a bias resistor to ensure?Q2s collector current is sufficient.? It also provides a path to discharge Q7s base when the AC voltage swings down.? C1 reduces the bandwidth of Q7.


Rick


 

well what i want to do is to evaluate the circuit's gain and phase margins as described in ltspice educational examples Loopgain.asc ,Loopgain2.asc .But with this kind of topology i post,i dont know how to apply the technics?in? Loopgain.asc ,Loopgain2.asc examples.?


John Woodgate
 

In message <l82jov+1092dt7@...>, dated Sun, 8 Dec 2013,
sawreyrw@... writes:

R1 is a bias resistor to ensure?Q2s collector current is sufficient.?
It also provides a path to discharge Q7s base when the AC voltage
swings down.? C1 reduces the bandwidth of Q7.
We must be looking at different .asc files. I'm looking at one that just
has MCP6292 op-amps and a few Rs and Cs. With a 3.3. V DC supply and an
AC swept source.
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OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Nondum ex silvis sumus
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK


 

John,


Yes, we are looking at different files. I looked at the one posted by vegetat55 to the temp folder. It is an .asc file but the extension doesn't show up so I had to save it, and rename it to add the extension.


Rick


 

Hello,


You can figure out how to apply loopgain analysis to this circuit by considering the base of the input transistor as the positive input to a differential?amp and the emitter of it as the negative input of the amp.? Looking at this way you can see that the circuit is analogous to a noninverting op amp configuration.


Rick


 

ok.everything solved.thank you all for your help.