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Re: Spark gap physics.
I'm not sure what you mean there, I think the arc, or the detection event in a GM tube can be considered 'low' resistance. I'd like to re-establish credentials as to why we're discussing this on
By Bonkers · #147402 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Just a thought, I was thinking the resistance drops non-linearly and what ever the source can supply is the current.
By Richard Andrews · #147401 ·
Re: Filters (Butterworth, Chebychev etc.)
Oh sorry. Uploaded again.
By Christoph · #147399 ·
Re: Filters (Butterworth, Chebychev etc.)
Your zip contains filt.sub and filter.asy, but your model is looking for filter.sub Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 9:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [LTspice] Filters (Butterworth,
By Bell, Dave · #147398 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Understood, he's using the neon as a G-M tube, but the common G-M circuit already addresses the issue very simply.? G-M tube capacitance is about 5pF, the neons I've just measured are under 1pF, so
By Bonkers · #147397 ·
Re: Filters (Butterworth, Chebychev etc.)
I uploaded my filter attempt to the file section. Hope all is self contained and it works. Anything to correct? ¡ª Christoph
By Christoph · #147395 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Bonkers, " It is possible that the high current pulse when the bulb triggers is responsible for some of the chaotic behavior.? In order to remove the effects of the high current spike when the lamp
By Richard Andrews · #147394 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
no probs - and yeah, don't know why he's using a couple of transistors, a very high value resistor is all that is used for G-M tubes. The high voltage ensures avalanche multiplication, and the low
By Bonkers · #147393 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Bordodynov, My subcircuit and symbol ( /g/LTspice/files/Temp/paschens-spark_gap.zip )
By Richard Andrews · #147392 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Paschen's Law *({B} * {p} * {d}) / log({A} * {p} * {d}) - log(log(1+(1/1.2)))-{C}* has nothing to do with resistance except that I believe you need to know the voltage to find the current.
By Richard Andrews · #147391 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Going to this thread and downloading the downloaded file, I was hoping to see the model of the arrester. What I saw had nothing to do with LTspice, except of course the arrester symbol. I am very
By §¡§Ý§Ö§Ü§ã§Ñ§ß§Õ§â §¢§à§â§Õ§à§Õ§í§ß§à§Ó · #147390 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Thanks Bonkers, I've been to techlib missed that circuit.
By Richard Andrews · #147389 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Tor, thank you, I've seen it. Looks over complicated, but I'll keep it in mind.
By Richard Andrews · #147388 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Yes, that's true. Right now I am assuming small cylindrical electrodes.
By Richard Andrews · #147387 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Interesting topic, relates also to neon bulbs, gas arresters etc. I was going to mention that some (all?) neons have some radioactivity - as it bleaches out any variation in striking voltage due to
By Bonkers · #147386 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
I found an interesting article on the subject: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339964809_A_parametric_SPICE_model_for_the_simulation_of_spark_gap_switches Seems quite complicated. br, Tor
By Tor Paulin · #147385 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
That's it I forgot the pressure even though it's in the equation.
By Richard Andrews · #147384 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
The shape and the type of the electrode also change the arcing characteristics.
By BB · #147383 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
Yes I am familiar with Paschen's Law just don't know it like the back of my hand.
By Richard Andrews · #147382 ·
Re: Spark gap physics.
It is also related to gas pressure. There are graphs on the wikipedia page for Paschens Law that show breakdown voltage versus gas pressure, but I cannot recall if it included gap length. There is a
By Alan Pearce · #147381 ·