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Re: unknown parameter "wavefile"

John Woodgate
 

In message <94F7017DC15C44F7B9AF4FC9DE557E9E@KeithPC>, dated Wed, 21 Sep
2011, Keith Kawate <kkawate@...> writes:

When trying to import a .wav file into a current or voltage source, I
get the SPICE error msg: Unknown parameter ¡°wavefile¡± in line:
¡°b1 0 n001 wavefile=<filename>¡± chan=0¡±. I updated my LTspice IV
and still get this error msg. Has anyone else encountered this problem
and found a solution?
According to the Help, you can use 'wavefile' with I or V sources, B is
not mentioned.
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Re: Monte Carlo beta and temp on 2N3904

Ganesan
 

The example MonteCarlo.asc suggests

"mc(val, tol) is a function that uses a random number generator
to return a value between val-tol*val and val+tol*val"
It doesn't say what the distribution of "Val" would be (Gaussian,
Uniform, Poisson,etc.)?

Also no word on how the First Guess is made?
Would different simulations result in different First Guesses?
(If I run the simulation 10 times do i get 10 time the number of random
samples or do i get 10 repetitions)

Is there a comprehensive help anywhere on Monte Carlo Analysis?
(Wiki and Help or nonos.)

cheers
AG

On 9/21/2011 1:47 AM, Tony Casey wrote:



--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
Analog Hack <analoghack@...> wrote:

Hello,

I have, what may be, a dumb question. I have been attempting to
Monte Carlo some of the BJT parameters on the 2N3904, NPN transistor.
Some of the directives I have tried include (as an example of the bf
parameter):

.model 2N3904 NPN(bf=300)
.param bf={mc(300, tol)}
.param tol=0.5
.step param x 1 100 1

and so on.

Other parameters I would be interested in mc'ing are: Vaf, Var, Rb,
Xtb and Trb1. I have been having no luck and was wondering if it is
even possible to do an mc on the parameters of a standard bjt library
compopnent. Do I need to make my own sub circuit?

Please let me know. Thanks AH



Hello AH.

You have successfully generated a Monte Carlo variable bf, but you
don't reference it in your .model statement - bf is fixed at 300.
Normally, curly braces are involved with parameters that are varied at
run time, like this:
.model 2N3904 NPN(bf={bf})

A a search of the Files section will reveal more information and
several working examples. This should always be the first place you
look for examples - there is a staggering number there. You might
note, there is also an example supplied in the &#92;Examples directory of
the LTspice installation. It has also been discussed many times here -
you could also check the message archive.

Note, in your example, LTspice will complain about multiple instances
of the same model, since the 2N3904 is already in standard.bjt. Using
a different name is a good idea.

Regards,
Tony


Re: power bjt models

 

Thanks.

--- In LTspice@..., Ganesan <dg1@...> wrote:

The data sheet at

will let you fix up similar transistors for which there may be a LTspice
model..

An email to the apps people in STmicro might get it to you faster...

cheers
AG

On 9/20/2011 4:06 PM, bhorste wrote:

I've been doing some poking around here and on the Web, and I can't
find many models for power BJTs. Specifically I'm looking for a
BUL128, but I'll take as many as I can get at this point. I'm working
on designing a capacitor multiplier power supply. Thanks.
-Ben



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Re: THAT VCA

Ganesan
 

Thanks to everyone.. It is a Chrome browser problem as John suspected.
Cheers
AG.

On 9/21/2011 4:03 PM, John Woodgate wrote:

In message <4E7A1C86.2080100@...
<mailto:4E7A1C86.2080100%40austin.rr.com>>, dated Wed, 21 Sep 2011,
Ganesan <dg1@... <mailto:dg1%40austin.rr.com>> writes:

Maybe I am not as abrasive as some?
Nil carborundum!(;-)
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Re: Half Bridge IRF7317 or Si4500BDY

Tony Casey
 

--- In LTspice@..., "pascalrenard85" <pascalrenard85@...> wrote:

Do you know if these half bridges are available somewhere? Thanks
Yes, Digikey have them both in stock.
# IRF7317PBFCT-ND
# SI4500BDY-T1-E3CT-ND

(It always helps if you phrase a question unambiguously.)

Regards,
Tony


Re: THAT VCA

John Woodgate
 

In message <4E7A1C86.2080100@...>, dated Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Ganesan <dg1@...> writes:

Maybe I am not as abrasive as some?
Nil carborundum!(;-)
--
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John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK
When I point to a star, please look at the star, not my finger. The star will
be more interesting.


Re: Monte Carlo beta and temp on 2N3904

 

Thanks Tony!

Your information worked perfectly.


I guess the lesson here is never assign a constant to a "Monte Carlo" variable.

Thanks again, AH



________________________________
From: Tony Casey <tony@...>
To: LTspice@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:47 PM
Subject: [LTspice] Re: Monte Carlo beta and temp on 2N3904


?


--- In LTspice@..., Analog Hack <analoghack@...> wrote:

Hello,

I have, what may be, a dumb question.? I have been attempting to Monte Carlo some of the BJT parameters on the 2N3904, NPN transistor.? Some of the directives I have tried include (as an example of the bf parameter):

.model 2N3904 NPN(bf=300)
.param bf={mc(300, tol)}
.param tol=0.5
.step param x 1 100 1

and so on.

Other parameters I would be interested in mc'ing are: Vaf, Var, Rb, Xtb and Trb1.? I have been having no luck and was wondering if it is even possible to do an mc on the parameters of a standard bjt library compopnent.? Do I need to make my own sub circuit?

Please let me know.? Thanks AH


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Hello AH.

You have successfully generated a Monte Carlo variable bf, but you don't reference it in your .model statement - bf is fixed at 300. Normally, curly braces are involved with parameters that are varied at run time, like this:
.model 2N3904 NPN(bf={bf})

A a search of the Files section will reveal more information and several working examples. This should always be the first place you look for examples - there is a staggering number there. You might note, there is also an example supplied in the &#92;Examples directory of the LTspice installation. It has also been discussed many times here - you could also check the message archive.

Note, in your example, LTspice will complain about multiple instances of the same model, since the 2N3904 is already in standard.bjt. Using a different name is a good idea.

Regards,
Tony




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Re: struggling

Tony Casey
 

--- In LTspice@..., "ian.ballard@..." <ian.ballard@...> wrote:

In the ltspice diode models there are a number of variable which can be set Vpk, Ipk, Iave etc which "allow LTspice to check if the diode is being used beyond its rated capability". If you run a simulation is there an easy way to tell if one of the components has exceeded its rating without examining each component individual?
any help appreciated
Hello Ian,

I think this question has been asked before, possibly in a round about kind of way. I'm afraid I'm not smart enough to have worked out whether LTspice has a way of indicating operation beyond the ratings of a device specified like this, e.g. diodes. I haven't found one.

But then, you shouldn't be relying on this kind of feature. For starters, just because you're not running outside the maximum envelope of a device doesn't automatically mean you're within safe limits. Too much depends of the specifics of the application and the environmental conditions. In short, it comes down to the engineer to conduct due diligence. That's one of the (more important) things we get paid for.

Regards,
Tony


Re: THAT VCA

John Woodgate
 

In message <j5d5m9+b3qi@...>, dated Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Rick <sawreyrw@...> writes:


--- In LTspice@..., Ganesan <dg1@...> wrote:

Helmut ,
Is this the right path?
Cheers
AG
AG,

You should be embarrassed by this question, because it takes one mouse click to find the answer.
... unless AG's mouse click resulted in 'Internet Explorer is unable...'. Which can be caused by many things.
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be more interesting.


Re: unknown parameter "wavefile"

 

--- In LTspice@..., "Keith Kawate" <kkawate@...> wrote:


When trying to import a .wav file into a current or voltage
source, I get the SPICE error msg: Unknown parameter
?€?wavefile?€? in line: ?€?b1 0 n001 wavefile=<filename>?€?
chan=0?€?. I updated my LTspice IV and still
get this error msg. Has anyone else encountered this problem
and found a solution?
Hello Keith,

I have difficulties to read the wave-command above, because of
"strange" characters. Maybe you have used a rare language code
for text on your PC.

Please try the example coming with LTspice.
Does it work?

C:&#92;Program Files&#92;LTC&#92;LTspiceIV&#92;Examples&#92;Educational&#92;waveout.asc

C:&#92;Program Files&#92;LTC&#92;LTspiceIV&#92;Examples&#92;Educational&#92;wavein.asc

Best regards,
Helmut


Re: THAT VCA

 

Many thanks!

--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@...> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "jerrylee.marcel" <jerryleemarcel@> wrote:

Hi all,
Anybody has a working file for typical 2180 VCA? I don't
need a very accurate model, just one that gives me basic
operation.

Thanks
Hello Jerry,

They have a library with models. The 2180 is in this file.

Best regards,
Helmut

The model file thatcorp.lib is here.



Re: THAT VCA

 

--- In LTspice@..., Ganesan <dg1@...> wrote:

Helmut ,
Is this the right path?
Cheers
AG
Hello AG,

Yes, the path has been correct. Only paths to directories
are stable over time. One has to scroll down on this web-page
to find the file.

Direct paths to files are useless, because Yahoo can change
these paths a minute later.

Best regards,
Helmut



On 9/21/2011 9:08 AM, Helmut wrote:

Hello Jerry,

I have uploaded an example with the 2180A.

Files > Lib > 2180A_THAT_test.zip



Best regards,
Helmut

--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Helmut" <helmutsennewald@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Helmut" <helmutsennewald@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
"jerrylee.marcel" <jerryleemarcel@> wrote:

Hi all,
Anybody has a working file for typical 2180 VCA? I don't
need a very accurate model, just one that gives me basic
operation.

Thanks
Hello Jerry,

They have a library with models. The 2180 is in this file.

Best regards,
Helmut

The model file thatcorp.lib is here.



unknown parameter "wavefile"

 

When trying to import a .wav file into a current or voltage source, I get the SPICE error msg: Unknown parameter ¡°wavefile¡± in line: ¡°b1 0 n001 wavefile=<filename>¡± chan=0¡±. I updated my LTspice IV and still
get this error msg. Has anyone else encountered this problem and found a solution?







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: THAT VCA

Ganesan
 

I did click and couldn't find it... Hence the question? Maybe I am not
as abrasive as some?

On 9/21/2011 12:08 PM, Rick wrote:



--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
Ganesan <dg1@...> wrote:

Helmut ,
Is this the right path?
Cheers
AG
AG,

You should be embarrassed by this question, because it takes one mouse
click to find the answer.

Rick


Re: THAT VCA

 

--- In LTspice@..., Ganesan <dg1@...> wrote:

Helmut ,
Is this the right path?
Cheers
AG
AG,

You should be embarrassed by this question, because it takes one mouse click to find the answer.

Rick


Re: THAT VCA

Ganesan
 

Helmut ,
Is this the right path?
Cheers
AG

On 9/21/2011 9:08 AM, Helmut wrote:

Hello Jerry,

I have uploaded an example with the 2180A.

Files > Lib > 2180A_THAT_test.zip



Best regards,
Helmut

--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Helmut" <helmutsennewald@...> wrote:



--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Helmut" <helmutsennewald@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
"jerrylee.marcel" <jerryleemarcel@> wrote:

Hi all,
Anybody has a working file for typical 2180 VCA? I don't
need a very accurate model, just one that gives me basic
operation.

Thanks
Hello Jerry,

They have a library with models. The 2180 is in this file.

Best regards,
Helmut

The model file thatcorp.lib is here.





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Re: New Member and Updated Help File

 

Even Linear Technology provides a direct link to Twitter on the LTspice download page. That's pretty much the wild west of exposure.

With a suitable disclaimer in the menu popup, it shouldn't be an obstacle to kicking the door open on an entire branch of documentation. That Wicki provides the missing elements that will jump start all the new user's eventually.

Mike should reconsider.

Tim

--- In LTspice@..., Jim Wagner <wagnerj@...> wrote:


On Sep 20, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Tim wrote:

This just in from Mike:

"I'd rather not. I don't supply the information
for the Wiki site, so it's really better if I don't
endorse it. "

Tim

--- In LTspice@..., "Tim" <thutches@> wrote:

With that encouragement, I sent the idea on to Mike.

So we'll see...

Tim

--- In LTspice@..., wagnerj@ wrote:

Maybe it would "help the Help" if Mike would put a direct link
to the Wiki
page in the LTspice Help tab. So there would be three items in
the that
tab, "Help", "Wiki" and "About". That would remind everyone,
new and old,
that there is more Help than they think --

Tim
I second that. Its much more than a reminder. The whole idea of
help is to
be able to find answers to questions when you need answers. If
you have to
fumble around for a link to a wiki, then you have lost time and
increased
frustration levels. Further, if you don't use the wiki very
often, it is
easy to forget where you have stashed the link.

Having a link in that spot would be a great service to users.

Jim Wagner
Oregon Research Electronics
Then it ought to go in the Help FAQ were the Yahoo group is listed.

Jim Wagner

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Re: THAT VCA

 

Hello Jerry,

I have uploaded an example with the 2180A.

Files > Lib > 2180A_THAT_test.zip



Best regards,
Helmut

--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@...> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "jerrylee.marcel" <jerryleemarcel@> wrote:

Hi all,
Anybody has a working file for typical 2180 VCA? I don't
need a very accurate model, just one that gives me basic
operation.

Thanks
Hello Jerry,

They have a library with models. The 2180 is in this file.

Best regards,
Helmut

The model file thatcorp.lib is here.



Re: Regarding Delay Element simulation

 

--- In LTspice@..., "dinesh" <dinsul1986@...> wrote:

Thanks a lot for your suggestion andy.

I have tried and simulated the same and got the results too..

I couldn't figure out ,what those output waveforms trying to say?Actually it is a delay element, it is supposed to give delayed o/p.But i couldn't understand any delayed verion of outputs.

I have uploaded the same results in folder Files -> Temp -> "Diff-amp-based delay element_simulated output.JPG".

Can you see and reply me, what that delay element o/p exactly trying to say..

Please do the needful.

Dinesh
Dinesh,
Hera are my suggestions
1) Take an Electronics / circuit theory course
2) Take a semiconductor device course
3) learn to copy an existing schematics correctly
4) Tie Nwells (back gate of PMOS to the highest potential)
5) Try specifying device lengths in suitable units (say nm)
- I think you have some 180 meter long gates
6) Work through some of the LTspice tutorials (learn the tool)
7) develop a few simple circuits

OR if you just want to fix this schematic
8) add suitable AS, PS, AD, PD values to the device, i believe the defaults are zero for Ltspice using the default models, so as a consequence the Cgs and Cgd are also zero. You and Figure out what this means for the delay.

Now please leave, because I find it personally very offensive that I am contributing to you getting a better grade than another hard working student who is really learning analog design.


Re: Regarding Delay Element simulation

 

I couldn't figure out ,what those output waveforms trying to say?Actually
it is a delay element, it is supposed to give delayed o/p.But i couldn't
understand any delayed verion of outputs.
This is beyond the scope of this email list, which is about LTspice,
not about circuit design. You have a problem understanding circuit
design, or how to use the circuits you are given. Ask your teacher
for help.

However, I will note a few things.

1. It looks unusual to me that the supply voltage is +1.8V yet you
have +6V to VBIAS_P. Are you turning the upper PFET off, and why?
What is the supply voltage reaching the diff-amp?

2. The PFETs are upside down. Their source pins should be up. Many
MOSFETs are symmetrical so it might not make a difference
electrically.

3. Based on the signal names and the name you gave to the schematic,
when look at this schematic I think differential inputs and
differential outputs. So why are you not driving it with a
differential input signal?

4. Are you sure the input signal amplitudes should be 0V/+1V?

5. The outputs are clearly asymmetrical, a tip that something may be
wrong. One swings <70mV, the other 130mV. That doesn't look right.
And why are their amplitudes this small? Maybe the outputs are from
capacitive coupling.

Please do the needful and do your own homework. If you can't figure
it out, then you seriously need to consider another field of study.

Andy