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Re: Need help in oscilation of UcD

 

Dave,
I'm not sure what else is wrong but C6 and C8 are probably not correct.

regards
Robert

--- In LTspice@..., raymond hui <rcch87@...> wrote:



--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Dave Allen <cdcat001@...> wrote:

From: Dave Allen <cdcat001@...>
Subject: Re: [LTspice] Need help in oscilation of UcD
To: LTspice@...
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:07 AM







?









>Hi Dave,



Did you modified any of the resistance and capacitance value in the
UM10155? What is the Vin for your simulation? What value that you gained in
the Vout ? >Thanks a lot for your information.


Best Regards,
Raymond


Hi Raymond,



Vin is set at 1.8v 1Khz out is 48v peak to peak approx with 30-0-30v power.

I haven't checked this is the correct gain figure as I only modeled it out

of curiosity.



You did remember the enable link between J3 and J4 and a 4R load between J10

and J11 ?



Having checked again the tran only settles around 50ms and takes an age to

get there. There's a little of the switching waveform at the output - much

more before the output choke!



I haven't downloaded your version to check, but I can upload mine, such as

it is. Sorry, won't be today though.



Regards



Dave


Hi Dave,The J3 and J4 is? grounded in my schematic. Is it correct? Yes. I connected J3 and J4 with a 4 ohm resistor.? When you can upload your version ? I would like to have a look on how it simulate?

Many Thanks,Raymond




























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Re: Need help in oscilation of UcD

 

Raymond, I agree there is something wrong in the model of a UM10155 you uploaded to the Temp folder. For an input sine wave with a 1 volt peak amplitude the output amplitude should be approximately 46 volts peak to peak. Instead I was seeing a peak to peak output in the millivolt range. Just as troubling was the very low amplitude of the signals at the gates of the power MOSFETs. I will keep looking to see if I can find the problem and will post message is I find the source of the problem.

Howard


raymond hui wrote:

Really appreciate for your willingness to help me. I had zip my schematic in UM10155_4.zip under temp. I had modified some of the model because I imported some of the model into LPspice. I still unable to make the amplifier oscillate . My Vout is a pulse wave which has the value variate from 16mv to 33mv. My pwm waveform is also very strange.
Many Thanks,
Raymond

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Howard Hansen <hrhan@...> wrote:

From: Howard Hansen <hrhan@...>
Subject: Re: [LTspice] Need help in oscilation of UcD
To: LTspice@...
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:42 AM

Sorry I should have been more explicit. Except for the raw file, you
need to Zip every file in the directory that contains your schematic and
upload the zip file to temp directory. When I opened UM10155.asc
LTspice says there were 5 missing symbols.


Howard



raymond hui wrote:


I had upload my schematic in here and also in temp file under the name of . groups.yahoo. com/group/ LTspice/files/ %20Temp/Um10155. asc . Thanks for the help,Howard.


--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Howard Hansen <hrhan@...> wrote:


From: Howard Hansen <hrhan@...>

Subject: Re: [LTspice] Need help in oscilation of UcD

To: LTspice@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 2:58 AM
Please upload your .asc schematic file. The .asc schematic file is needed to troubleshoot your simulation.
Howard
raymond wrote:

Hai.. Guys. I'm doing on UcD class D amplifier based on Philip UM10155 . I'm having problem in oscillate the UcD amplifier in order to simulate the desire sine wave . My Vin is 5V sine wave , with the frequency of 1K. My output is only 1.1 V. Can you guys give some advice on the way to oscillate the amplifier? Really appreciate if you all can help me.


Re: search problems

 

--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@...> wrote:

--- In LTspice@..., "elyoyi58" <elyoyi58@> wrote:

Hi All,
I am having problems searching the messages, it only shows
the first 10 entries.
does anybody have the same problem?
Thanks,
Jorge.

Hello Jorge,

You should see a status on the bottom of the screen like

Matched Messages 1 - 10 of 112 (1.553s) Firs Previous Next Last

If you click on Next, you will get the next 10 matched
messages.

Best regards,
Helmut

Hello,

OK, now I see the problem. Clicking on "Next" gives no results.
It looks like Yahoo has broken again the search-function.
The problem started 10 months ago. One couldn't search in
newer messages for a couple of months. Then it was partly
working again, but now it's function is again questionable.
It looks for me that Yahoo can never can fix their problems
with the search function in the Yahoo groups. I guess they
have a big problem with the software management of the groups'
messages. Maybe a wrong software architecture.

Best regards,
Helmut


Re: floating nodes multiplying

 

--- In LTspice@..., "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@...> wrote:

Hi,

getting floating node error messages for tube circuit...will
upload and name "mikes_12ax7_preamp_node_problem"

I have searched and searched, rebuilt schematic, renamed
nets, and I can't figure out why ltspice keeps giving
floating nodes error messaging. The voltages are correct
and the fouriers appear valid, so the simulation appears
to be working, but the floating nodes appear to be
multiplying!! Before there were two, now there are four....

????

thanks.

best, charlie
Hello Charlie,

I just checked your uploaded circuit Pre_Amp_Rev_C_1.asc
and have got no error message.
There is only one overdue ".ends". You should delete it.
It's at teh end of
.model DN2540 ...
....
.ends

A .model never has an ".ends". You have to delete it.

The simulation runs. What's the problem?

Best regards,
Helmut


Re: floating nodes multiplying

 

Thanks, Jim, I'll check and try that.

I think the nodes are all cathode follower output nodes, and the DC path to ground is complicated for the output part because it is two triodes stacked.

later.

best, charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: wagnerj@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:27pm
To: LTspice@...
Subject: Re: [LTspice] floating nodes multiplying





Hi,

getting floating node error messages for tube circuit...will upload and
name "mikes_12ax7_preamp_node_problem"

I have searched and searched, rebuilt schematic, renamed nets, and I can't
figure out why ltspice keeps giving floating nodes error messaging. The
voltages are correct and the fouriers appear valid, so the simulation
appears to be working, but the floating nodes appear to be multiplying!!
Before there were two, now there are four....

????

thanks.

best, charlie

Charlie -

Do all of those nodes have a DC path to ground? If not, then add a
resistor to ground. It can be really large (10MEG, 100MEG, for example).

Jim Wagner
Oregon Research Electronics




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Re: Simulation of RS-latch: how to set gate prop delays and latch initital state.

 

--- In LTspice@..., Ed Lipiansky <lipiansky@...> wrote:

?Hello LTSpicers,
??
I would like to simulate an RS-latch. Simply two
cross-coupled NOR gates.
I excite them with a?two pulses into their?R and S
inputs. I know how to do this.
?
1) What I am asking is how do I set-up the initial state?
of the RS-latch?
?Example I want Q to? be 1 and Q_bar to be 0.
?2) How do I set up a specific gate prop delay for each?
NOR gate?
??
Thank you.
?Ed-
Hello Ed,

Please take a look to this example in our Files section.

Files > Examples > Educational > Digital Latch




Other examples are here.

Files > Examples > Apps > NorLch1.asc


Files > Attached files sorted by message number > msg_14540


Best regards,
Helmut


Re: floating nodes multiplying

 

Hi,

getting floating node error messages for tube circuit...will upload and
name "mikes_12ax7_preamp_node_problem"

I have searched and searched, rebuilt schematic, renamed nets, and I can't
figure out why ltspice keeps giving floating nodes error messaging. The
voltages are correct and the fouriers appear valid, so the simulation
appears to be working, but the floating nodes appear to be multiplying!!
Before there were two, now there are four....

????

thanks.

best, charlie

Charlie -

Do all of those nodes have a DC path to ground? If not, then add a
resistor to ground. It can be really large (10MEG, 100MEG, for example).

Jim Wagner
Oregon Research Electronics


floating nodes multiplying

gandolfreefer
 

Hi,

getting floating node error messages for tube circuit...will upload and name "mikes_12ax7_preamp_node_problem"

I have searched and searched, rebuilt schematic, renamed nets, and I can't figure out why ltspice keeps giving floating nodes error messaging. The voltages are correct and the fouriers appear valid, so the simulation appears to be working, but the floating nodes appear to be multiplying!! Before there were two, now there are four....

????

thanks.

best, charlie


Re: Anyone else getting messages like this?

chuck...
 

I treat them as hacking attempts to hijack and exploit the browser. Then I
hit Delete after blocking the sender...

_____

From: LTspice@... [mailto:LTspice@...] On Behalf Of
Alan B. Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:57 AM
To: LTspice@...
Subject: Re: [LTspice] Anyone else getting messages like this?




When I get those emails with base-64 encoded gibberish within
the emails, most of them are on another email group to which
I belong, not a Yahoogroup,
No, I only get them from Yahoo Groups. There are about three I am on that
are reasonably active with emails most days, and they all produce the
effect.

I figure it is down the gibberish at the start of the first bit I quoted -
note that the hex characters go for a long way in one long line (on the copy

I received back it had been folded into two lines) and I think that is what
is confusing things.


Re: Need help in oscilation of UcD

raymond hui
 

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Dave Allen <cdcat001@...> wrote:

From: Dave Allen <cdcat001@...>
Subject: Re: [LTspice] Need help in oscilation of UcD
To: LTspice@...
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:07 AM







?









>Hi Dave,



Did you modified any of the resistance and capacitance value in the
UM10155? What is the Vin for your simulation? What value that you gained in
the Vout ? >Thanks a lot for your information.


Best Regards,
Raymond


Hi Raymond,



Vin is set at 1.8v 1Khz out is 48v peak to peak approx with 30-0-30v power.

I haven't checked this is the correct gain figure as I only modeled it out

of curiosity.



You did remember the enable link between J3 and J4 and a 4R load between J10

and J11 ?



Having checked again the tran only settles around 50ms and takes an age to

get there. There's a little of the switching waveform at the output - much

more before the output choke!



I haven't downloaded your version to check, but I can upload mine, such as

it is. Sorry, won't be today though.



Regards



Dave


Hi Dave,The J3 and J4 is? grounded in my schematic. Is it correct? Yes. I connected J3 and J4 with a 4 ohm resistor.? When you can upload your version ? I would like to have a look on how it simulate?

Many Thanks,Raymond




























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Re: Need help in oscilation of UcD

 

Hi Dave,
Did you modified any of the resistance and capacitance value in the
UM10155? What is the Vin for your simulation? What value that you gained in
the Vout ? >Thanks a lot for your information.
Best Regards,
Raymond
Hi Raymond,

Vin is set at 1.8v 1Khz out is 48v peak to peak approx with 30-0-30v power.
I haven't checked this is the correct gain figure as I only modeled it out
of curiosity.

You did remember the enable link between J3 and J4 and a 4R load between J10
and J11 ?

Having checked again the tran only settles around 50ms and takes an age to
get there. There's a little of the switching waveform at the output - much
more before the output choke!

I haven't downloaded your version to check, but I can upload mine, such as
it is. Sorry, won't be today though.

Regards

Dave

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Re: search problems

 

It is the same for me...

Franck

--- In LTspice@..., "Reinhard" <compfox@...> wrote:


Hi.

I have the same problem. Clicking "next" or "last" leads only to an empty search page.
Otherwise, no matter what I type in advanced search it only shows: "Whoops, need to tell us what you're looking for before we can search. Please fill in at least one of the fields below."

regards
Reinhard


Re: Antenna preamp modeling

Howie, Brian (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
 

-> Have a look at GAASFET_PREAMP_2.asc in the temp directory to get
you
going. I can't remember where it came from.

73 Brian
The source of the circuit is


To get realistic noise figures , inductor skin resistance and capacitor
dielectric losses should be estimated and included.

Brian

SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems Limited
Registered Office: Sigma House, Christopher Martin Road, Basildon, Essex SS14 3EL
A company registered in England & Wales. Company no. 02426132
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Simulation of RS-latch: how to set gate prop delays and latch initital state.

 

Hello LTSpicers,
??
I would like to simulate an RS-latch. Simply two cross-coupled NOR gates.
I excite them with a?two pulses into their?R and S inputs. I know how to do this.
?
1) What I am asking is how do I set-up the initial state?
of the RS-latch?
?Example I want Q to? be 1 and Q_bar to be 0.
?2) How do I set up a specific gate prop delay for each?
NOR gate?
??
Thank you.
?Ed-





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Anyone else getting messages like this?

 

When I get those emails with base-64 encoded gibberish within
the emails, most of them are on another email group to which
I belong, not a Yahoogroup,
No, I only get them from Yahoo Groups. There are about three I am on that are reasonably active with emails most days, and they all produce the effect.

I figure it is down the gibberish at the start of the first bit I quoted - note that the hex characters go for a long way in one long line (on the copy I received back it had been folded into two lines) and I think that is what is confusing things.


Re: simpler frequency doubler circuit

 

Many thanks Philip for your valuable tips! I would have never got it for the LT1011 output pins!!! I got it working now!

Franck

--- In LTspice@..., Philip Bellingham <rmhc78a@...> wrote:

Franck,
??
Several things:
??
1. Your negative power supply voltage (V2) is in backwards so it is actually +15V at the LT1011 pin, not -15V.

2. The output transistor of the LT1011 is a floating transistor, the collector appearing at the pin referred to as the output and the emitter appearing at the pin referred to as ground. Probably not the best way to designate these pins. Look at page 10 of the LTC data sheet for the LT1011 for a typical application of a circuit that drives a load that is referenced to ground.
??
3. The RC filter that I believe you are using for a time delay also attenuates the applied sine wave such that the signal at the inverting input never crosses the threshold that you have set at the non-inverting input.
??
???? - Philip

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, franck_borde <franck_borde@...> wrote:


From: franck_borde <franck_borde@...>
Subject: [LTspice] simpler frequency doubler circuit
To: LTspice@...
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:35 AM


??



Hello guys,

Once again I would need your lights since I might be something stupid?€?Really, I have implemented a very simple circuit with a LT1011 comparator and a XOR gate to create a frequency doubler circuit. Unfortunately, for some reasons the inputs to the comparator are both fixed to 14.2 volts (I should see 2.5V signal on the positive pin and a 5V at 1MHz on the negative pin). This 14.2V is somehow related to the bias voltage but I am not too sure how. It works when I directly drive the input pins with a voltage source so I am not too what is going on. Any ideas are welcome. I have downloaded the file in the temp folder (doubler_circuit. sch).

Best regards,

Franck








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Re: Damped Pseudo-Transient Analysis

 

Emma,
?
From the Help file:
?
"There is no guarantee that the operating point of a general nonlinear circuit can be found with successive linear approximations as is done in Newton-Raphson iteration. Should direct Newton iteration fail, LTspice tries a number of other methods to find an operating point. Below is a table of the methods used and the options settings required to disable a particular method.
?





Method

Directive to disble


Direct Newton Iteration

.options NoOpIter


Adaptive Gmin Stepping

.options GminSteps=0


Adaptive Source Stepping

.options SrcSteps=0


Pseudo Transient

.options pTranTau=0
"
?
? - Philip

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Emma <smulan_emma@...> wrote:


From: Emma <smulan_emma@...>
Subject: [LTspice] Damped Pseudo-Transient Analysis
To: LTspice@...
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:20 AM


?



Hi everyone,

What is meant with "Damped Pseudo-Transient Analysis"?

Kind Regards,
Emma








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Re: Need help in oscilation of UcD

raymond hui
 

Hi Dave,

Did you modified any of the resistance and capacitance value in the UM10155? What is the Vin for your simulation? What value that you gained in the Vout ? Thanks a lot for your information.



Best Regards,
Raymond

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Dave Allen <cdcat001@...> wrote:

From: Dave Allen <cdcat001@...>
Subject: Re: [LTspice] Need help in oscilation of UcD
To: LTspice@...
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:20 PM







?









>Really appreciate for your willingness to help me. I had zip my schematic

in UM10155_4.zip under temp. I had modified some of the model because I
imported some of the model into LPspice. I still unable to make the
amplifier oscillate . My Vout is a pulse wave which has the value variate
from 16mv to 33mv. My pwm waveform is also very strange.


Many Thanks,
Raymond


Hi Raymond,



I modelled the UM10155 from the datasheet - the tran waveform does start off

as a smallish squarewave then settles into a nice sine wave after 20-30ms

using the tran command below:



.tran 0 100m 0 1u startup uic



I didn't find a model for the output devices or one of the diodes, but

otherwise my circuit is as the datasheet.



Regards



Dave



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Re: Anyone else getting messages like this?

 

I get emails like that too, from time to time.

The gibberish is usually in "base-64" encoding, which is normally used
as a way to encode binary data into non-binary text where it can be
emailed. Usually you don't see it that way because the header and
other stuff in the email message have the right information to tell
your email reader that it is in base-64 and needs to be decoded.

I think you occasionally see messages displayed like that because the
sender's email lacks some of the required tags that are supposed to be
there to identify it as base-64. Some email readers recognize it
anyway and do decode it (so they look normal), but others do not.

Oops - I just noticed you are seeing these blocks within the email
header itself. That is something I haven't seen, which is to say I
never saw it on those occasions when I looked at the headers. It
might explain why your subject line appears blank; your email reader
may stop interpreting the header at that point.

When I get those emails with base-64 encoded gibberish within the
emails, most of them are on another email group to which I belong, not
a Yahoogroup, and I think don't come from Yahoo mail either. But what
I've seen might be different than what you described.

Andy


Re: simpler frequency doubler circuit

 

Franck,
?
Several things:
?
1. Your negative power supply voltage (V2) is in backwards so it is actually +15V at the LT1011 pin, not -15V.

2. The output transistor of the LT1011 is a floating transistor, the collector appearing at the pin referred to as the output and the emitter appearing at the pin referred to as ground. Probably not the best way to designate these pins. Look at page 10 of the LTC data sheet for the LT1011 for a typical application of a circuit that drives a load that is referenced to ground.
?
3. The RC filter that I believe you are using for a time delay also attenuates the applied sine wave such that the signal at the inverting input never crosses the threshold that you have set at the non-inverting input.
?
?? - Philip

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, franck_borde <franck_borde@...> wrote:


From: franck_borde <franck_borde@...>
Subject: [LTspice] simpler frequency doubler circuit
To: LTspice@...
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:35 AM


?



Hello guys,

Once again I would need your lights since I might be something stupid¡­Really, I have implemented a very simple circuit with a LT1011 comparator and a XOR gate to create a frequency doubler circuit. Unfortunately, for some reasons the inputs to the comparator are both fixed to 14.2 volts (I should see 2.5V signal on the positive pin and a 5V at 1MHz on the negative pin). This 14.2V is somehow related to the bias voltage but I am not too sure how. It works when I directly drive the input pins with a voltage source so I am not too what is going on. Any ideas are welcome. I have downloaded the file in the temp folder (doubler_circuit. sch).

Best regards,

Franck