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Re: LF356 simulation errors
开云体育On 17/03/2025 11:40, Stephano via
groups.io wrote:
I don't have version 24.1.0 installed, but with 24.1.5, the (Helmut's) original circuit stalled at 40% completion, but was correct up to that point. When I changed the rise and fall times of the source to 100n from 10n, it simulated perfectly. With version 25.0.12, the original unedited circuit had no problems. I also ran an input voltage sweep and saw the output clipped well inside the supply voltages.using the TI model of LF356 on LTspice v24.1.0 result in strange behaviour, DC output from OpAmp is over 18V when the supply voltages are ± 15V. In the "Component attribute editor" I've changed parameters for this version of LTspice, the original from the file area "LF356_test.zip" result in errors at simulation start. I want to simulate a input circuit of an test equipment (Boonton 4200) that is oscillating at 93Hz square wave with amplitude near the supply coltages. I'm curious to see the Phase Margin of this differential stage with three LF356. Clearly this pspice model is incompatible with this LTspice version, or there is a workaround possible to apply ? The version 24.1.0 was quite short-lived because there were a number of problems with it. There have been many internal changes in the 24.1.x release. some of these have since been fixed, but others remain. It may be that nobody can duplicate the problem you are having, but if you have changed anything in the schematic, you should upload it to Files > Temp, so more people can try. Did you change any of the Control Panel > SPICE settings from default? The Trtol parameter in 24.1 is different from 24.0 in the default state. -- Regards, Tony |
Re: LF356 simulation errors
开云体育We can't help much unless you let us see more
of what you are doing. Upload your .ASC file AND all the other
files required to run the simulation, but not .RAW? and .LOG
files or pictures,? in a ZIP archive to Files => Temp. On 2025-03-17 10:40, Stephano via
groups.io wrote:
Hi, using the TI model of LF356 on LTspice v24.1.0 result in strange behaviour, DC output from OpAmp is over 18V when the supply voltages are +/- 15V. In the "Component attribute editor" I've changed parameters for this version of LTspice, the original from the file area "LF356_test.zip" result in errors at simulation start. I want to simulate a input circuit of an test equipment (Boonton 4200) that is oscillating at 93Hz square wave with amplitude near the supply coltages. I'm curious to see the Phase Margin of this differential stage with three LF356. Clearly this pspice model is incompatible with this LTspice version, or there is a workaround possible to apply ? Thanks, Stephano --
OOO - Own Opinions only If something is true: * as far as we know - it's science *for certain - it's mathematics *unquestionably - it's religion |
LF356 simulation errors
Hi,
using the TI model of LF356 on LTspice v24.1.0 result in strange behaviour, DC output from OpAmp is over 18V when the supply voltages are +/- 15V. In the "Component attribute editor" I've changed parameters for this version of LTspice, the original from the file area "LF356_test.zip" result in errors at simulation start. I want to simulate a input circuit of an test equipment (Boonton 4200) that is oscillating at 93Hz square wave with amplitude near the supply coltages. I'm curious to see the Phase Margin of this differential stage with three LF356. Clearly this pspice model is incompatible with this LTspice version, or there is a workaround possible to apply ? Thanks, Stephano |
Re: Parts Number Re-numbering
开云体育That's a bit too much freedom. LTspice will not warn you of duplicate designators until you run an analysis, which will obviously fail. If you leave it entirely to LTspice you will never get duplicates. Caution! This does not apply to net names.--
Regards, Tony On 17/03/2025 00:50, John Woodgate
wrote:
Right-click on the number, such as R1. An editing pane opens where you can change it to anything you like, within reason. |
Re: How to create IEC 61000-4-5 surge waveform in time & s behavioral ?
I don't know, in my domain what I can do the best is to spend the tiny time step = 1ps. (already the smallest when considering the computing performance.)
But neither LTspice nor Matlab/simulink has the expected answer. (Thay have the same output ~ 40mV)
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About the algorithm inside transfer function, I really have no idea, maybe not enough decimal digits been calculated. Can't find any where to configure that.
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Best regards.
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 04:02 PM, <mhx@...> wrote:
The transfer function and time domain expressions look OK to me but the scope plot is obviously "wrong". ?
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Re: How to create IEC 61000-4-5 surge waveform in time & s behavioral ?
The transfer function and time domain expressions look OK to me but the scope plot is obviously "wrong".
This could be caused by the sample-based Simulink implementation. What is the sample-rate / solver algorithm? If there is aliasing all three representations could be correct. -marcel |
Re: defining special kind of behavioral for current controlled oscilator in ltspice
That's exactly true. YIG are tuned by varying the magnetic field the element is in, hence the coils. This also defines the dynamic behaviour. -- Regards, Tony? On 17 Mar 2025 05:06, "Andy I via groups.io" <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
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Re: How to create IEC 61000-4-5 surge waveform in time & s behavioral ?
In simple words, ...
The user's fault or math's fault ?
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Beg your pardon first, so noisy, definitely my fault.
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In fact, my default thoughts is 99% belong to user's fault, but I don't know what's wrong.
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If any hint,?
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Thank you very much. |
Re: How to create IEC 61000-4-5 surge waveform in time & s behavioral ?
Hi, :
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You know what ? I'm surprised about I do have the memory about using this in Matlab.
It got the same result. I worship the math as some kind of religion, but this time, I can't get the desired answer, what's going on ?
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Is the math wrong ?
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The result of Matlab simulink is here: /g/LTspice/photo/301279/3897034?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0
Can someone tell any configuration wrong ? It almost broke my religion. Hope someone recognize it.
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I am wondering, how many people are you here...
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Wish you all happy & healthy.
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Best regards. |
Re: defining special kind of behavioral for current controlled oscilator in ltspice
On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 09:13 AM, Tony Casey wrote:
Typically, the TUNE coil will be 10s of mH and FM coil will be about 10uH. ...This implies that both inputs might respond to current, unless the TUNE coil has enough resistance which is stable and predictable. ?
Andy
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Re: defining special kind of behavioral for current controlled oscilator in ltspice
On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 05:15 AM, john23 wrote:
john23,
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I uploaded "YIG VCO.asc" to the "Temp" directory.? It models what you apparently wanted.? It has two inputs and one output.
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The "Coarse" input is for your "TUNE" signal that sets the center frequency.? The "Fine" input is for your "FM" signal that modulates its frequency around the center.? Both inputs have infinite bandwidth.
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Both inputs are ideal, so you should add whatever is needed to model each of their electrical characteristics:
The output is +10 dBm when terminated in an external 50 ohms load.? The schematic I uploaded has a 50 ohm load, so remove that when driving something else that provides a termination.
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Andy
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Re: How to create IEC 61000-4-5 surge waveform in time & s behavioral ?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 06:35 PM, Tony Casey wrote:
Just to note, in the latest LTspice 24.1.5, it will have the following message... It seems 'SCOPEDATA=' is forced to replace the 'file='. Looks like, compatible issue between newer & older...was used to the older XVII...
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"Monotonically increasing value expected. You may want to use SCOPEDATA=<filename> instead. (See the LTspice help for more details.)
1.00E-09,0.9088###> 1.00E-09<###,0.9110" ?
And, Thanks for the inspiration of varistors. |
Re: Parts Number Re-numbering
On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 07:48 PM, Hidehiko Komachi - JA9MAT wrote:
Did anything happen?? Was there a pop-up window asking you to confirm? ?
If no pop-up window, then perhaps you were not using Windows, or another program intercepted that key combination, or you had another key accidentally pressed or missed one of the four.? When I tried it just now, my first two attempts failed to make the pop-up window, but I tried again - more carefully - and it worked.
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After that, a change can happen only if the part numbers need to be re-numbered.? If they are already numbered the way it wants, you won't see anything change after clicking OK in response to the pop-up confirmation.
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If you have a small number of parts, you can change them one at a time, of course.
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Andy
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Re: Parts Number Re-numbering
开云体育Right-click on the number, such as R1. An editing pane opens where you can change it to anything you like, within reason. On 2025-03-16 23:36, Hidehiko Komachi -
JA9MAT via groups.io wrote:
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OOO - Own Opinions only If something is true: * as far as we know - it's science *for certain - it's mathematics *unquestionably - it's religion |
Re: defining special kind of behavioral for current controlled oscilator in ltspice
开云体育On 16/03/2025 13:31, Andy I via
groups.io wrote:
Depending on what john23 is wanting to model, it might be necessary to actually model the TUNE and FM circuits. They are both connected to coils internally, so the inductances might need to be included, particularly if the YIG oscillator is in a frequency control loop or synthesiser. Typically, the TUNE coil will be 10s of mH and FM coil will be about 10uH. (They also normally have internal heaters too, with additional connections, but that has not been mentioned.) Coo, this brings backs memories from the 1980s. -- Regards, Tony |
Re: defining special kind of behavioral for current controlled oscilator in ltspice
Two ports, really?? I count three.
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Add the Tune and FM inputs, to produce a single frequency-controlling voltage.? You have many ways to add signals, including a B-source.? You need to decide on the input resistances to use, for your Tune and FM ports.
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Then connect their sum, to the FM input of the MODULATE component.
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Set its Mark and Space parameters to have the right scale (1.2 GHz/V) oops! (0.7 GHz/V) and offset.? This is simple Algebra.? It's very basic.
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Andy |
Re: defining special kind of behavioral for current controlled oscilator in ltspice
Hello , My device has two ports .I have tested? its functionality in the lab and I saw the following behavior:
1. no voltage? on both ports-> output is 8GHz? 10dBm
2. 2V on tune ->output is 9.4Ghz 10dBm
3.each 1mA on FM input is adding 100Khz.
How sould I use MODULATE to define this unique behavior? Thanks. |
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