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Re: Non-converging oscillation problem of inverse Jiles-Atherton model in LTspice
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 23/04/2025 09:55, §¡§Ý§Ö§Ü§ã§Ñ§ß§Õ§â
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I had to replace the parameter k with k0, because in Qspice k is the Boltzmann constant. At tau=10ns, the counting time was 2.2 seconds. And everything was fine.k is also defined as Boltzmann's constant in LTspice. --
Regards, Tony |
Re: Hello guys. Please help my Thesis. I want to make Comparators design of sar adc i have built Comparator in LTspice i wanna analysis. But i cant PLEASE HELP ME OUT
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 23/04/2025 09:50, sugaraltan via
groups.io wrote:
Input Offset Voltage, Input-Referred Noise, Regeneration Time, Power Consumption, Kickback Noise, Input Common-Mode Range, Supply Voltage. I need these parameters analysis in LTspice PLEASE HELP MEYou cannot hope to simulate things like offset voltage if you use ideal ideal models throughout - the devices will all be identical, i.e. zero offset. You also haven't specified any noise parameters in the model, so the simulated noise won't be realistic. The same thing applies to capacitances. First thing you need to do is get proper device models. There's also an error in you schematic: Out- is shorted to Out+. --
Regards, Tony |
Re: Hello guys. Please help my Thesis. I want to make Comparators design of sar adc i have built Comparator in LTspice i wanna analysis. But i cant PLEASE HELP ME OUT
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýPlease don't put uploaded file directly in the Files location. They should be uploaded to Files > Temp, as the instructions say.I have moved 456.asc to Temp. --
Regards, Tony On 23/04/2025 10:07, sugaraltan via
groups.io wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I uploaded my file in FIles named 456.asc. Please check it out.? |
Re: Diode TVS like zener in LTspice??
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýActually, 'zener' embraces true Zeners , less
than about 6V, and avalanche diodes, greater than about 6V.?
LTspice models take account of this. TVS diodes are high-power
avalanche diodes. On 2025-04-23 09:04, j.bernabe1 via
groups.io wrote:
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Re: Diode TVS like zener in LTspice??
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 23/04/2025 10:04, j.bernabe1 via
groups.io wrote:
I'd like to know why LTspice simulates a TVS diode as a zener, even though its behavior isn't exactly the same.Did you try looking on the sites of manufacturers that make TVS diodes, e.g. Diodes Inc., Littelfuse, Vishay etc? You could always try looking on the group's Files section and put "TVS" in the search box in the top right. I got 24 hits, but not all them were relevant. As far as LTspice simulations are concerned, actually unidirectional TVSs are similar to Zeners, but tend to higher current. Bidirectional ones are equivalent to two unidirectional ones in anti-series. --
Regards, Tony |
Re: MJ11021 Darlington NPN & PNP pair model help needed.
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 23/04/2025 03:01, nima via groups.io
wrote:
Developing a SPICE model for a Darlington is a considerable undertaking. Unfortunately, the Onsemi datasheet is not quite comprehensive enough to derive an accurate one. The good news is that although Onsemi don't provide SPICE models for either of these devices, it does for the similar MJH11021 and MJH11022 transistors. These will be the same die, but in TO-247 packages instead of TO-3. Perhaps you were unaware of these modern equivalents? You should nevertheless validate these models, at least partially. I recommend you construct several testjigs to re-generate the the graphs in the datasheet. Unfortunately, graphs for the output characteristic and FT are not shown, but you should check:
Regards, Tony |
Diode TVS like zener in LTspice??
Good morning....
I'd like to know why LTspice simulates a TVS diode as a zener, even though its behavior isn't exactly the same. I'd also like to know where I can find an LTspice library for some TVS diodes, for example, that are 15 volts and others that are around 140 volts, and that are bidirectional. Thanks...for everything.
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Re: Non-converging oscillation problem of inverse Jiles-Atherton model in LTspice
Hi.
I made an addition to your scheme. This is the calculation of dH/dT by a separate, controlled current source with RC. The resulting value is used to calculate delta. I made a netlist and used it to calculate Qspice. I had to replace the parameter k with k0, because in Qspice k is the Boltzmann constant. At tau=10ns, the counting time was 2.2 seconds. And everything was fine. |
Re: Hello guys. Please help my Thesis. I want to make Comparators design of sar adc i have built Comparator in LTspice i wanna analysis. But i cant PLEASE HELP ME OUT
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On 2025-04-23 08:41, sugaraltan via
groups.io wrote:
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Best wishes John Woodgate RAYLEIGH Essex OOO-Own Opinions Only If something is true: * as far as we know - it's science *for certain - it's mathematics *unquestionably - it's religion |
Re: Hello guys. Please help my Thesis. I want to make Comparators design of sar adc i have built Comparator in LTspice i wanna analysis. But i cant PLEASE HELP ME OUT
Input Offset Voltage, Input-Referred Noise, Regeneration Time, Power Consumption, Kickback Noise, Input Common-Mode Range, Supply Voltage. I need these parameters analysis in LTspice PLEASE HELP ME
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Hello guys. Please help my Thesis. I want to make Comparators design of sar adc i have built Comparator in LTspice i wanna analysis. But i cant PLEASE HELP ME OUT
Hello guys. Please help my Thesis. I want to make Comparators design of sar adc i have built Comparator in LTspice i wanna analysis. But i cant PLEASE HELP ME OUT |
Re: LTspice accuracy, used for calculations and measurements
Udo,
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I have more detail to add to this discussion, which might be marginally helpful to you.
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First, I was incorrect when I suggested that LTspice's?value for pi maybe had only 12 digits.? That was wrong.? But .MEAS command printouts are limited to 12 digits maximum.
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The internal value for pi appears to be approximately
3.1415926535897931...
which compares favorably with the value quoted in Help:
3.14159265358979323846
both of which are shown here with more digits than double-precision theoretically provides.? ?(Which means that both numbers might have meaningless digits by the end of what is displayed here.)
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When comparing your pi and sqrt(x)**2 calculations, they differed by less than 1e-15, so they are at about the limit of double-precision math.? I saw no difference in that calculation between the Normal and Alternate solvers.? But I tried this on only one version of LTspice.? (My plans are to get several versions up and running again, but not for today.)
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NUMDGT and MEASDGT do things differently:
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If NUMDGT is omitted or set to 6 or below, LTspice's .raw output file uses single-precision floating point numbers, giving you about 6 digits of resolution.? If NUMDGT is 7 or above, the .raw file uses double-precision and about 16 digits of resolution.? The .raw output file is used to save all voltages and currents, but not internal parameters.? All internal calculations are either double-precision or x86-extended-precision, regardless of the value of NUMDGT.
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MEASDGT has a useful range from 6 to 12.? Within that range, MEASDGT directly sets the number of digits printed to the .log file.? If omitted or set to a number smaller than 6, it defaults to 6 and .MEAS commands print with 6 digits.? If set to a number greater than 12, it maxes at 12 digits.? That is why we saw pi, x, and z displayed with only 12 digits, despite being internally stored with more resolution and accuracy than that.
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.MEAS printouts of internal PARAM values do not use the .raw file, so they are unaffected by NUMDGT.? .MEAS printouts that involve voltages or currents (including .MEAS ... PARAM of previous .MEAS command results involving voltages or currents) must read them back from the .raw file, so they are affected by NUMDGT first, and then by MEASDGT.? In that case, NUMDGT indirectly affects the accuracy but not the number of printed digits, whereas MEASDGT sets the number of printed digits.
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Andy
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Re: Non-converging oscillation problem of inverse Jiles-Atherton model in LTspice
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Thanks for your suggestion. I will report this issue to them. |
Re: Non-converging oscillation problem of inverse Jiles-Atherton model in LTspice
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 11:31 PM, <limengfan81@...> wrote:
It helps to say why it does not run, or what happens when it does run. ?
There were major program changes between LTspice 24.0.x and 24.1.x.? It was like a change in the major revision number.? Many things that ran OK previously stopped working when version 24.1.x was introduced.? Any major change like that can have problems.? Telling the folks at Analog Devices why it stops running (or perhaps, it runs but why it does not produce the same output), it might help them restore the functionality that was lost.
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Andy
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Re: Non-converging oscillation problem of inverse Jiles-Atherton model in LTspice
Thanks for the suggestion ¡ª increasing rtol? is truly helpful. This model seems to struggle when dH/dt is near zero, causing oscillations in all conditional terms. Sometimes it converges, sometimes it doesn't. Three ways to improve it:
At this point, I haven¡¯t found a way to eliminate the oscillations, but I can improve both convergence and accuracy by balancing the three strategies above. I¡¯ll continue experimenting to see whether it's possible to reduce the oscillation by improving the inverse Jiles-Atherton algorithm itself. |