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Re: 74hc_v.lib file

 

Eric wrote, "When I click the link you gave below it seems there is error now downloading files from yahoo."

Yahoo was wonky today.? It seems to be better now.

By the way, in case you have not discovered this yet -- when you see a link (in an email or elsewhere) to a file in a Yahoo!Group, you can't right-click on the link to download it directly.? You have to first go to that link (left-click on it), then you can download.? Also be careful not to let it sit too long before starting to download, because the URLs "time out" and become stale after several minutes.? And there are times when Yahoo just doesn't work right at all.

Regards,
Andy



Re: 74hc_v.lib file

 

Hi Andy,

Thank you again for your support. I haven't gotten to the file yet but I have found another part I can use 74hc595 with both asy and subckt files. I tried to abort? my request but you guys are just?
very quick to respond.? When I click the link you gave below it seems there is error now downloading files from yahoo. But i'm ok already with the 74hc595..

Thanks also for your advise to check on the Group files. I think I missed to continue searching down for more files when I got too excited.

Best regards,
Eric


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 2:00 AM Andy ai.egrps@... [LTspice] <LTspice@...> wrote:
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Eric asked about the file "74hc_v.lib", needed in a downloaded simulation.

I don't know if you found the answer to your question already (the replies I received might not be in order).? However, the file you were looking for is in the group's Files, here:

? ? Files > Lib > Digital 74HCxxx > 74HC_v.lib

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I remind people to try the "Table of Contents" file (all_files.htm) when something like this is needed.

By the way -- the schematic uses the 74HC194 but not the original/bipolar 74194, despite the name of the schematic.? I guess that schematic was an answer to someone's question and you'd have to go back to that question (99370) if you wanted to see why the names didn't agree.

Regards,
Andy



Re: 74hc_v.lib file

 

Hi Bordodynov,

Thank you for your help. I went to your ltwiki link. It's mind boggling the volume of work you have done. Thanks for sharing to us.
Some of the parts were in my wish list. I'm still trying to figure though how to download the ZZZ symbols file?

Thanks and best regards,
Eric

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:12 AM §¡§Ý§Ö§Ü§ã§Ñ§ß§Õ§â §¢§à§â§Õ§à§Õ§í§ß§à§Ó BordodunovAlex@... [LTspice] <LTspice@...> wrote:

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Hi Eric.
I opened your circuit and everything was modeled.
I just did: .tran 0 10m 0 uic
I have installed libraries in ../Documenty/LTspiceXVII/ ..
You can find it on my page:
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Bordodynov


27.11.2018, 04:51, "eohenares@... [LTspice]" <ltspice@...>:
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Hi Helmut,

Do you happen to have still the "74hc_v.lib file" used in the "74194 test.asc" schematic? It is not inside the zip file so I could not load it into the "sub" directory. The schematic would not run and is looking for it. I tried working through your instruction how to convert a .asc file into .lib but was too heavy for me. I reloaded the file dated Nov 19, 2016 for reference. I wrote an ealier email but seems did not go thru.

Thanks and best regards,

Eric

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Re: 1N4733A

 

madehakamal1996 wrote:

? ? "I actually found this spice model?
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? ? ?but it doesn't work."

In what way does it not work?

Are you asking this question because you don't know how to use a SPICE model?? Did you know what to do with that model, how to use it?? Did you assume that it's broken because you didn't know what to do with it?? Or did you use it (correctly) but the simulation didn't show you the result you expected, and what result would that be?? Or did your computer grind to a halt?

Regards,
Andy



Re: 1N4733A

 

Hello,

There is a model of the 1N4733 on page 36 in this presentation for students.


.MODEL 1N4733 D(IS=7.03E-16 RS=0.871 TT=5.01E-8 CJO=1.89E-10 VJ=0.75 M=0.33
BV=5.059 IBV=0.049 Vpk=5.1 mfg=Fairchild type=zener)

Best regards,
Helmut



Re: 1N4733A

 

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'Doesn't work' doesn't tell us anything we can use to help you. Upload the .ASC that doesn't work to Files => Temp and send a message to say you did that.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates 
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-11-27 17:28, madehakamal1996@... [LTspice] wrote:

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I actually found this spice model?


.model D1N4733 D(Is=1.214f Rs=1.078 Ikf=0 N=1 Xti=3 Eg=1.11
+ Cjo=185p M=.3509 Vj=.75 Fc=.5 Isr=2.601n Nr=2 Bv=5.1 Ibv=.70507
+ Nbv=.74348 Ibvl=4.8274m Nbvl=6.7393 Tbv1=176.471u)

but it doesn't work.


Re: 1N4733A

 

Hi.
*SRC=1N4733A;1N4733A;Diodes;Zener <=10V; 5.10V ?1.00W ? Diodes Inc. Zener
.SUBCKT 1N4733A ?1 2
* ? ? ? ?Terminals ? ?A ? K
D1 1 2 DF
DZ 3 1 DR
VZ 2 3 3.69
.MODEL DF D ( IS=80.8p RS=0.620 N=1.10 CJO=189p VJ=0.750 M=0.330 TT=50.1n )
.MODEL DR D ( IS=16.2f RS=0.296 N=1.87 )
.ENDS
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Bordodynov.


27.11.2018, 20:24, "John Woodgate jmw@... [LTspice]" :

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A simple web search gives at least two hits for a spice model.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates 
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-11-27 17:02, madehakamal1996@... [LTspice] wrote:
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Hello,

? ? ? ? ?I need a spice model of 1N4733A zener diode.


Re: Trying to create a lookup table without any success

 

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There seems no need for the 100 V source, still less the 10 ohm load, and your .TRAN command makes no sense, since nothing varies, and the 1ps max time step is just bizarre.? You can't specify the output of a B source in the way you have written it, and in fact I don't think it will do what you want anyway. However, what you want isn't at all clear. What do you want the look-up table for?

You wrote: 'I wish it will take the voltage and the output of V1' . The output of V1 IS 'that voltage', so it's impossible to tell what you meant to do.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates 
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-11-27 17:08, evangelos.liakos@... [LTspice] wrote:

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Hello,


I am trying to generate a value from a lookup table but unfortunately I am doing something wrong and ltspice complains. I have a V1 voltage that generates constantly 100V and I use a behavioral voltage source that I wish it will take the voltage and the output of V1 and by going through a table it will return a value. Any ideas about that?

Thansk in advance!


Re: Trying to create a lookup table without any success

 

Hello,

Example:

V-source V1 connected between net "abc" and net "GND".
V1 abc 0 SINE(....)

Bv-source
V=table(V(abc), -100,20, -50, 15, 0, 5, 50, 20, 100, 30)


LTspice will use linear interpolation between the table-values.

Best regards,
Helmut


Re: 1N4733A

 

I actually found this spice model?

.model D1N4733 D(Is=1.214f Rs=1.078 Ikf=0 N=1 Xti=3 Eg=1.11
+ Cjo=185p M=.3509 Vj=.75 Fc=.5 Isr=2.601n Nr=2 Bv=5.1 Ibv=.70507
+ Nbv=.74348 Ibvl=4.8274m Nbvl=6.7393 Tbv1=176.471u)

but it doesn't work.


Re: 1N4733A

 

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A simple web search gives at least two hits for a spice model.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates 
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-11-27 17:02, madehakamal1996@... [LTspice] wrote:

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Hello,

? ? ? ? ?I need a spice model of 1N4733A zener diode.


Re: FFT in LTspice Mac version

 

Hello,

> Do you know if there are ways to fix this bug?

Yes, convince the developer to fix it. :-)

Therefore write a bug report to LTspice@....

You could additionally ask this question on the official forum of Analog Devices.

Best regards,
Helmut



Trying to create a lookup table without any success

 

Hello,


I am trying to generate a value from a lookup table but unfortunately I am doing something wrong and ltspice complains. I have a V1 voltage that generates constantly 100V and I use a behavioral voltage source that I wish it will take the voltage and the output of V1 and by going through a table it will return a value. Any ideas about that?

Thansk in advance!


Re: FFT in LTspice Mac version

 

I have the same problem with fft on macOS Mojave 10.14.1

Do you know if there are ways to fix this bug??


Model for F0800LC180 PUK diode

 

I am looking for a model for that diode or the way to obtain it. I like that diode because its price is not so high and reach 775A averaged and 1800V.

The specs can be found here, appear the Trr that is important in the design of a high power rectifier:


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Re: Saving and restoring inductor current

 

>??A smarter way around this problem might be to select the test?
> frequency points and cycles used such that the test and?
> switching frequencies are always related to each other?
> by whole numbers ratios (for the parametric output plot,?
> there is no need that frequency points be evenly spaced).

I've experimented with an injected signal which contains the sum
of all test frequencies one wants to inspect. It is then easy to?
sync?to the switching frequency. The FFT of the output directly?
correlates to the amplitude Bode diagram (to get the phase
is a bit more work). It appears to work, but I've had no time
to analyze it in depth yet.?

For the experiment I used an?experimental SPICE?that?
accepts a fixed timestep.

-marcel


Re: Saving and restoring inductor current

 

Hello Alexander,

Your English has improved noticeably over the years.

My great-grandfather was third generation Russian whose father became an American when Alaska was purchased.? His great-grandfather migrated to Russia from Germany and was the captain of the first ship when the Russians explored and colonized Alaska.? My great-grandfather died before I was born, but his wife (who was half Danish and half Japanese) lived well into her nineties.? She died when I was a young man in university, so she was a favorite grandmother to me when I was a boy.

She taught me a few Russian phrases and I grew up eating pickled herring (the creamy kind), borscht, black caviar, black tea from a large samovar, yeast-dough piroshki, and praniki (hard, flat, white mint flavored cookies) as well as many other Russian foods without names to me (such as pickled onions, beets and cabbage).? It makes my mouth water thinking about them.? Of course I learned to like many Japanese foods as well.


---In LTspice@..., <BordodunovAlex@...> wrote :

Hello analogspiceman.
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Thank you for enlightening me. I added the following to my collection of models:
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.subckt Lrememb 1 2?
.param ? L=1 Rser=1m Rpar=1/Gmin ic=0
C1 3 0 {L} Rser={1/Rpar} Rpar={1/Rser} ic={ic}
G1 1 2 3 0 1
G2 3 0 2 1 1
.ends Lrememb
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Bordodynov.


Re: Saving and restoring inductor current

 

Hello Vlad and Alexander (and Helmut, who is always such a gentleman expert),

Thanks for noticing.? The things that interest me most about LTspice are always so arcane and often not of interest to most users so it is nice when some of the more sophisticated group members take notice (kind of like the situation with Adrian Immler and his amazing, improved tube models).

I haven't tried it yet, but thought this "dual inductor" would be useful in a improved version of LTspice's example file transient domain loop-gain analyzer that uses .measurement statements because it could perhaps save a lot of time lost recalculating steady state at each new frequency step of the analysis.

In his Ridley Works software (was Power 4-5-6), Ray Ridley uses a seemingly improved variation of the post processing loop-gain analyzer technique for switching circuits (his Excel engine generates a LTspice version of the subject schematic).? His software requires 32 bit Excel and all my machines are 64 bit, so I haven't been able to try his free, limited, but complete example (for buck converters only).? Thus I haven't been able to examine exactly what his software does to determine if it has improved upon the standard methods that are used in the LTspice example file.

If you can, please try out his free software and report back what you think of it.? It also generates superb, elegant and efficient LTspice models for winding and core loss (something I have done on a case by case basis as needed, but his software has generalized automated method of doing so).? We could probably duplicate his methods.

The transient domain loop-gain analyzer essentially performs a discrete Fourier transform at each analysis frequency point.? This can be problematic with much injected fractional cycle noise if the switching frequency and the test frequency do not both end on exactly whole periods.? The usual solution to this problem is to apply a complicated and computationally expensive tapered windowing function to minimize the deleterious effects of fractional alignment.? A smarter way around this problem might be to select the test frequency points and cycles used such that the test and switching frequencies are always related to each other by whole numbers ratios (for the parametric output plot, there is no need that frequency points be evenly spaced).

My goal is to create a transient domain frequency response analyzer for switching power supplies in LTspice that produces as clean and noise-free results as does SIMPLIS while still running reasonably quickly.


---In LTspice@..., <imbvlad@...> wrote :

Hello analogspiceman

LTspice can save and restore node voltages, but not branch currents. This means that by using ".savebias time=<tstop>" and ".loadbias" a simulation with inductors is only partially saved and restored because inductor currents are ignored. It occurred to me that by making a "dual inductor" using current sources and a capacitor, one might trick LTspice into saving "inductor" currents. The inductor dual is very simple and can be a subcircuit with the inductor symbol edited to represent the dual inductor with the expected symbol.

Don't how this compares speed-wise and coupled inductors would require an extension, but this technique might prove useful in certain stepped simulations that could run much quicker if the operating point did not need to be refound each time.

That's a nice trick, thank you. The penalty shouldn't be that much if not too many inductors are used, for example a SMPS could really use that. Even filters that are not too large could benefit from this.? Coupled inductors might be trickier to set up, though. -- Vlad


Re: Using BV exp(), log() for numerical compression ,wrong result ?

 

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I suppose you do realise that you can make one or both axes of a plot logarithmic. You can also plot, for example log(V(out) on a log axis, so get a log-log scale, using waveform arithmetic.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates 
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-11-27 01:07, ericsson.sunshine@... [LTspice] wrote:

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Hi, Andy:


Before your explanation, I didn't notice "complex logarithm" is a special case, maybe not supposed to be supported by any SPICE.

About the compression application, I didn't really have the complete idea, maybe it would be like the,....
For example, when someone reading a book, the edge on every page often empty, and be used to sketch some thing on, some graphs/pictures to decorate the layout of the page. They often are not the primary parts.

To analogy, if there are some main data, which typically are numerical values, and has its general scale on the range of greater than 0.01, though its format could support to very least 1e^-16, or some, such that, maybe I could merge those loged numbers secretly into the "main data", and leak .... to somewhere who concern it, without interference others who typically don't care those smaller values which is under 0.01.

Just some ignorant ideas. I didn't implement it yet.

Best regards.


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Re: Adding A Potentiometer

 

I have uploaded the file potenziometro.asc as an example of a
potentiometer simulation.
Regards.
Vincenzo Varoli

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