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Re: Tutorial version of Joule-Thief

John Woodgate
 

In message <kkbun5+ctqn@...>, dated Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Tim <thutches@...> writes:

I just uploaded a another copy of the JT, because I wnat to use it as a techng aid to introduce a family member to some EE concepts and LTspice. He just graduated high school and has no exposure but a lot of interest in electronics.
Too late! You need to start at Grade 2 or earlier. (;-)

So having read the recent thread on the JT, I though it might be an excellent resource for him as it exposes transistor and switching theory and a lot of concepts in an easy to understand project that he can build and use my lab tools to verify the expected behavior.
It may be me, but I don't find non-linear oscillators at all simple.

In my posted version, derived from , I tried to added a second circuit to compare the effects of using a different transistor than the B549 in the reference article and I attempted to estimate the Joules being consumed (atfter all it is a Joule Thief.

If anyone cares to comment on how I might do this better (for the intended purpose), please do so.
I favour sine-waves and audio frequencies, but we are all different.
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They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'.

John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK


Tutorial version of Joule-Thief

 

All,

I just uploaded a another copy of the JT, because I wnat to use it as a techng aid to introduce a family member to some EE concepts and LTspice. He just graduated high school and has no exposure but a lot of interest in electronics.

So having read the recent thread on the JT, I though it might be an excellent resource for him as it exposes transistor and switching theory and a lot of concepts in an easy to understand project that he can build and use my lab tools to verify the expected behavior.

In my posted version, derived from , I tried to added a second circuit to compare the effects of using a different transistor than the B549 in the reference article and I attempted to estimate the Joules being consumed (atfter all it is a Joule Thief.

If anyone cares to comment on how I might do this better (for the intended purpose), please do so.

Thanks,

Tim


Re: inverting opamp simulation: rapid component variation

 

--- In LTspice@..., "MOHAMMAD A MAKTOOMI" <amaktoomamu@...> wrote:


Hi,
In an inverting amplifier(Uploaded File:
),
suppose R2 fluctuates very rapidly (say at 10KHz or even
higher, may be due to some environmental condition).
How do I simulate this behavior, given input is some fixed
dc voltage and opamp is 741 type (I have not attached any
specific opamp model so far, use what you have).
I am basically interested in perhaps frequency response-
I want to see how output varies if rate of variation of R2
keeps increasing.

Hello,

I have uploaded an example with a time-variable resistance.

R=1k+5k*(V(ctrl)+1)

Files > Temp > ni-opamp_.asc

Best regards,
Helmut


inverting opamp simulation: rapid component variation

 

Hi,
In an inverting amplifier(Uploaded File: ), suppose R2 fluctuates very rapidly (say at 10KHz or even higher, may be due to some environmental condition). How do I simulate this behavior, given input is some fixed dc voltage and opamp is 741 type (I have not attached any specific opamp model so far, use what you have).
I am basically interested in perhaps frequency response- I want to see how output varies if rate of variation of R2 keeps increasing.


Re: How to find the max or min of a .measure command results?

 

--- In LTspice@..., "thomas.lafay" <thomas.lafay@...> wrote:


Greetings.

How can I find the max or min of a .measure command from a Monte Carlo run?

my command --> .measure dc trans find I4 when V(N016,N002)=0

Question: how to find the max or min of the data?

Many thanks, Tom.

Hello Tom,

You could plot the results from .MEASURE
View -> SPICE -> Error log
Right-mouse-click -> Plot Stepped data

You could also copy the results(numbers) from the Error Log
file to any math- or spreadsheet program to analyze the data.

Best regards,
Helmut


How to find the max or min of a .measure command results?

 

Greetings.

How can I find the max or min of a .measure command from a Monte Carlo run?

my command --> .measure dc trans find I4 when V(N016,N002)=0

Question: how to find the max or min of the data?

Many thanks, Tom.


Re: Germanium transistor

 

--- In LTspice@..., ¨¢???????? ?????????¡Á <BordodunovAlex@...> wrote:

Hi John Woodgate.
Thanks for the info. In my Standard.zip file is 2N242 and germanium transistors 2N2955. Using these models and your information I will make models of transistors AC128 AC127 more believable.
Bordodynov.
I don't see either of these in the standard library. I placed a pnp in a new schematic then right-click Pick New Transistor. I just did a sync release too. Decades ago 2N2955 was a silicon part (complementary to 2N3055).

Jim


Re: Amplifier Design

 

How to use .param and .tran simulation in LtSpice?

Please show its use in this question-

Use SPICE to plot the output characteristic for NMOS transistors with
different Length's (constant W/L). For each curve, use the waveform viewer
to plot the small-signal output resistance, r0, hence verify the theoretical
dependence of trans-conductance on Length that you have studied in
class. Use minimum feature size of 0.18¦Ìm.
This is a homework assignment, right?

Let me ask you this: Did you go to college to learn how to do those
things yourself, so that you can become a good engineer, or are you
looking for free handouts so you never need to do the work yourself?

If the latter, you should be shamed into failing the assignment.

Show us what YOU have done so far on this problem. You should have
figured out most of it already.

This is a forum where people help others who first make an attempt to
do their work but run into something that doesn't work right. It is
not where answers to homework assignments are handed out to losers who
cannot be bothered to try. Are you one of those?

One of the first pieces of advice I give many people about using
LTspice, is to use it like they would if they had real parts on the
bench. Let's say someone handed you some NMOS transistors and you had
access to power supplies and DVMs and oscilloscopes. What would you
do with them to characterize the transistors? Start by making LTspice
do the same things.

Andy


Re: Bridge current sensor INA193 or AD8210 available?

 

SPICE models for INA193 and AD8210 are available in the web site of TI
and Analog Device respectively.
Regards.
Varoli

Il 12/04/2013 9.04, mario.haselsteiner ha scritto:

Hello,

is there anywhere a model for a bridge current sensor available for
downloading?

Thanks
Mario

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Politecnico di Milano Dip. Energia
Via G. Ponzio 34/3 I20133 Milano Italia
Tel. 0223996393 FAX 0223996309


Bridge current sensor INA193 or AD8210 available?

 

Hello,

is there anywhere a model for a bridge current sensor available for downloading?

Thanks
Mario


Amplifier Design

coolstar_aayush
 

How to use .param and .tran simulation in LtSpice?

Please show its use in this question-

Use SPICE to plot the output characteristic for NMOS transistors with different Length's (constant W/L). For each curve, use the waveform viewer to plot the small-signal output resistance, r0, hence verify the theoretical dependence of trans-conductance on Length that you have studied in class. Use minimum feature size of 0.18&#956;m.


Re: USE OF PWL FILE IN I SOURCE

 

What Andy said. What editor you use to generate PWL files with is the whole ball of wax, beyond just the more obvious PWL entry errors. Even the manner/format of the saved file, aside from the editor output, can mess things up. These sorts of gotcha;s have been around since the advent of personal computers.


________________________________
From: Andy <Andrew.Ingraham@...>
To: LTspice@...
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LTspice] USE OF PWL FILE IN I SOURCE


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I am trying to use a PWL file in a current (I) source however an error pops
up every time saying "Missing value for final PWL time in source I1".
I've examined my data file many times and no value seems to be missing.
Any help in explaining/resolving the error would be greatly appreciated.
We can't read your mind so we can't fix the problem if you don't show
us the data that causes the problem.

But speaking generically ... PWL data must have an even number of
values. The error message implies you have an odd number. But I
assume you knew that already. Look carefully for an extra space, or
some other character which might have caused a value to be split into
two.

If it is a very large file, does it have linefeeds? That's just
another thought.



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Re: USE OF PWL FILE IN I SOURCE

 

I am trying to use a PWL file in a current (I) source however an error pops
up every time saying "Missing value for final PWL time in source I1".
I've examined my data file many times and no value seems to be missing.
Any help in explaining/resolving the error would be greatly appreciated.
We can't read your mind so we can't fix the problem if you don't show
us the data that causes the problem.

But speaking generically ... PWL data must have an even number of
values. The error message implies you have an odd number. But I
assume you knew that already. Look carefully for an extra space, or
some other character which might have caused a value to be split into
two.

If it is a very large file, does it have linefeeds? That's just
another thought.


Re: USE OF PWL FILE IN I SOURCE

Ray Merewether
 

it would help a lot if you uploaded your circuit to the website. Attachments do NOT work on yahoo.

-----Original Message-----
From: LTspice@... [mailto:LTspice@...] On Behalf Of imtiazk
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:20 PM
To: LTspice@...
Subject: [LTspice] USE OF PWL FILE IN I SOURCE

Dear All

I am trying to use a PWL file in a current (I) source however an error pops up every time saying "Missing value for final PWL time in source I1". I've examined my data file many times and no value seems to be missing. Any help in explaining/resolving the error would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
ik



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USE OF PWL FILE IN I SOURCE

 

Dear All

I am trying to use a PWL file in a current (I) source however an error pops up every time saying "Missing value for final PWL time in source I1". I've examined my data file many times and no value seems to be missing. Any help in explaining/resolving the error would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
ik


Re: Sub Circuits

Mike Sykes
 

Thank you very much aurora_iii it's all clear to me now. Another input from a friend re. using the Hierarchy to create symbols and the realisation that one can open one's own directory in the component symbol window to enable one to place the sub circuit in usual manner solves the problem. The real question is WHY ISN'T THIS PROCEDURE WRITTEN DOWN IN THE HELP FILE ? I've wasted a week trying allsorts of combinations until you answered my query. Thank you again.
Rgds
Mike Sykes

----- Original Message -----
From: aurora_viii
To: LTspice@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:09 PM
Subject: [LTspice] Re: Sub Circuits



If it means make a subckt in a library file, this needs an ASCII text editor - I copy the net list text (menu: View > SPICE Netlist)

Paste into text editor, at the top put '.subckt [name] [nodes]'

[name] is name of your 'device', whatever; [nodes] is the node numbers or node labels of all the circuit's external connections.

At the bottom change '.backanno / .end' to '.ends'

It also needs models of any specific components (diodes, transistors etc.) as .model lines.

Text file can then be saved as, .sub .txt .lib as you prefer.

Next you need to create a symbol for it, using LTspice symbol editor. The numbering order of the symbol ports must be the same as in the subckt nodes list; '1' is first and '5' is last for .subckt name 1 2 3 4 5; or 'in+' is first and 'vout' is last for .subckt name in+ in- v+ v- vout

If as I did you look at examples it clicks into place how it all works.

HTH


Re: Solar cell in Lt spice

 

--- In LTspice@..., "heitham_hh" <krouz_83@...> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "heitham_hh" <krouz_83@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "heitham_hh" <krouz_83@> wrote:

hi,
how can i make a spice model for this cell?


Hello Heitham,

I have uploaded an example with your solar cell.

Files > Temp > solar_cell_4V_35mA.asc

Best regards,
Helmut
thank you Helmut for the answer,just two more question : why in I=V(VLUX)*50u you have 50u? and how did you know R2=5?
Best regards,
Heitham
Hello Heitham,

I=V(VLUX)*50u you have 50u? and how did you know R2=5?
It's just a wild guess. Your datasheet contains too less
information. You may have to do a measurement on the next
sunny day to get better data. One cannot make a precise model
from nearly zero information.

Maybe you should better use 45uA and 4 Ohm.

Best regards,
Helmut
Hallo Helmut,

what you mean with same measurement to do a better model?
is it short circuit current and no-load voltage? or i need some other values?
thank you
Hello,

1.
You can check with the simulation that you hit the same
numbers(current, voltage) in the operating point for maximum
power as in the datasheet.

2.
Verify the open voltage, short current and optimum power point
with a measurement. Then adjust your model.

Best regard,
Helmut


Re: Solar cell in Lt spice

heitham_hh
 

--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@...> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "heitham_hh" <krouz_83@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "heitham_hh" <krouz_83@> wrote:

hi,
how can i make a spice model for this cell?


Hello Heitham,

I have uploaded an example with your solar cell.

Files > Temp > solar_cell_4V_35mA.asc

Best regards,
Helmut
thank you Helmut for the answer,just two more question : why in I=V(VLUX)*50u you have 50u? and how did you know R2=5?
Best regards,
Heitham
Hello Heitham,

I=V(VLUX)*50u you have 50u? and how did you know R2=5?
It's just a wild guess. Your datasheet contains too less
information. You may have to do a measurement on the next
sunny day to get better data. One cannot make a precise model
from nearly zero information.

Maybe you should better use 45uA and 4 Ohm.

Best regards,
Helmut
Hallo Helmut,

what you mean with same measurement to do a better model?
is it short circuit current and no-load voltage? or i need some other values?
thank you


Re: Germanium transistor

aetuhf
 

Both file names still say PNP. Does someone know how to rename the AC127 file to NPN?

--- In LTspice@..., "aurora_viii" <aurvii@...> wrote:

--- In LTspice@..., ¨¢???????? ?????????¡Á <BordodunovAlex@> wrote:

Hi.
I changed the models transistors AC127, AC128. Now the model is more correct. See the new Standard.zip file.

Bordodynov.
Excellent - this may need to be experimented with, but you're right Is is different for germaniums. I had to use 2.7e-5 to make a realistic OC35, as according to the behaviour of actual real ones.


Re: European components

 

Ops, that didn't turn out that crisp.
It all depends on the font your email program uses. You probably drew
it in ASCII for a fixed font.

Schematic symbols in LTspice are easily modified. LTspice includes
the symbol editor. Draw it the way you like it. Change the squiggly
lines to a simple rectangle. Or find someone else's. Since
potentiometers are not built-in to LTspice, people add their own, and
I believe several such models have been made, so you can probably find
someone else's that looks the way you want yours to look.

According to this group's Table of Contents file:
(files > Tables of Contents > all_files.htm)
there is a collection of European symbols at


Andy