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Re: Regarding Monte carlo setup

 

--- In LTspice@..., "Helmut" <helmutsennewald@...> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., "pindsen" <windven@> wrote:

Hi,

When running a monte carlo on a capacitor (in a filter design)
I use the statement (copied from another LTSpice example):

{mc(1n, tol)} for the capacitor, and the following SPICE
directive commands in the design:

.param tol=.2
.step param X 0 5 1

The first line sets the tolerance of 20% (plus/minus I hope?).
The second line I'm more unsure about, what does it say?
When I use the numbers 0, 5 and 1, what does that state?
The variable X, where is that used?

Best regards
Carsten Wind

Hello Carsten,

It's necessary to use .step to get a simulation with multiple
runs and many runs will be necessary to get the most extreme
variation with high probability. The mc()-function creates a
random variation of the value for each of the simulations.

Examples: with 50 steps

.step param abc 1 50 1

.step param abc 0 49 1


Maybe you should have a look to the examples.

Files > Tut > Monte-Carlo-Simulation V2.20



Best regards,
Helmut
Hi Helmut and others,
Thanks for your answer. I have looked at some of the examples, and I think I now more clearly understand. One thing I though can't figure out is, in the ".step param abc..." there are hereafter three numbers, in this post they are 0 5 1. The zero and five I understand, but the number "1" at the end, what does that stand for?
And if I change it to other than "1" what will that cause?

Regards
Carsten Wind


Re: Inductor initial conditions

Ganesan
 

Further.Help says:
*
L. Inductor
Symbol Names: IND, IND2
Syntax: Lxxx n+ n- <inductance> [ic=<value>]

+ [Rser=<value>] [Rpar=<value>]

+ [Cpar=<value>] [m=<value>] [temp=<value>]

When I invoke the symbol for L there is no place to put IC=Value.
Same is true for the Capacitor.....
What am I missing?
Cheers
AG
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On 9/23/2011 12:47 PM, Apparajan wrote:

Below is a simple netlist.
* C:&#92;Documents and Settings&#92;ganesan&#92;My Documents&#92;Downloads&#92;Draft1.asc
R1 out 0 1
L2 out 0 1
.ic I(L2) =1.0
.tran 5 uic
.backanno
.end
I expect the output to be -1v with a time constant of 1 sec.
LTspice says otherwise..
What am I doing stupid?
cheers
AG



Inductor initial conditions

Apparajan
 

Below is a simple netlist.
* C:&#92;Documents and Settings&#92;ganesan&#92;My Documents&#92;Downloads&#92;Draft1.asc
R1 out 0 1
L2 out 0 1
.ic I(L2) =1.0
.tran 5 uic
.backanno
.end
I expect the output to be -1v with a time constant of 1 sec.
LTspice says otherwise..
What am I doing stupid?
cheers
AG


Re: How to Specify Polarity on Capacitor Initial Conditions

Ganesan
 

Help says:
The .ic directive allows initial conditions for transient analysis to be
specified. Node voltages and inductor currents may be specified. A DC
solution is performed using the initial conditions as constraints. Note
that although inductors are normally treated as short circuits in the DC
solution in other SPICE programs, if an initial current is specified,
they are treated as infinite-impedance current sources in LTspice.

Syntax: .ic [V(<n1>)=<voltage>] [I(<inductor>)=<current>]

Example: .ic V(in)=2 V(out)=5 V(vc)=1.8 I(L1)=300m

I don't see how you specify capacitor voltages..
In the case of Inductor currents, look at the net list and positive
current enters through the first node and comes out through the second node
cheers
AG...
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On 9/23/2011 12:18 PM, michaelstuarts wrote:

Dear Colleagues:
I specified IC = <initial condition> on
the capacitor model and this works when you supress
DC operating point calculation on the .tran (UIC). I can't tell how LT
spice assigns the polarity to the capacitor terminals
themselves.

Thanks -Michael


Re: does anyone have TSMC 90nm, 65nm or 45nm node spice model

Allan Wang
 

They're confidential so I doubt you'll get them.

Cadence offers gpdk090 and gpdk045 which is supposed to be similar to a real
process. You can turn the spectre models into a regular spice model readable
by LTspice by substituting in variables in model.scs.

Allan

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:16 AM, mshe434 <mshe434@...> wrote:

Hello,


does anyone have TSMC 90nm, 65nm or 45nm node spice model? I just need one
of them for my own study purpose.
If you have one, could you please email me? Thank you.


Min





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How to Specify Polarity on Capacitor Initial Conditions

 

Dear Colleagues:
I specified IC = <initial condition> on
the capacitor model and this works when you supress
DC operating point calculation on the .tran (UIC). I can't tell how LT
spice assigns the polarity to the capacitor terminals
themselves.

Thanks -Michael


Re: Unrecognized Parameters in MOSFET Model

 

Thanks, Andy and Helmut. I think Helmut is right, since the model has some parameters which don't show up in the PSPICE "all levels" or "level 5" lists. I'll get back to the man'f and report here if I learn anything.

--- In LTspice@..., Andy <Andrew.Ingraham@...> wrote:

Sorry, forgot to mention that this is a PSPICE model.
Is a level 5 PSPICE the same as level 3 in LTspice?
Possibly not. There is no central clearinghouse for MOSFET model
LEVELs. Usually the first few (1-3?) are the same everywhere, since
that's what came with Berkeley SPICE2, but above that they might not
be.

LTspice's LEVEL=5 is a BSIM2 model, so unless you know it is supposed
to be BSIM2, don't use LEVEL=5.

Andy


Re: does anyone have TSMC 90nm, 65nm or 45nm node spice model

Ganesan
 



Has ome of what you request....

ON Semi 0.50 micron (C5)
ON Semi 1.50 micron (ABN) [inactive]
IBM 0.50 micron (5HP, 5AM, 5DM, 5PA)
IBM 0.35 micron (5HPE, 5PAe)
IBM 0.25 micron (6HP, 6DM, 6RF)
IBM 0.18 micron (7RF, 7RFSOI, 7WL, 7SF, 7HP)
IBM 0.13 micron (8RF-LM, 8RF-DM, 8HP, 8WL)
IBM 90 nanometer (9SF, 9LP, 9RF)
IBM 65 nanometer (10SF, 10LPe/10RFe)
IBM 45 nanometer (12SOI)
IBM 32 nanometer (32SOI)
TSMC 0.18 micron
TSMC 0.25 micron
TSMC 0.35 micron

Cheers
AG

On 9/23/2011 11:09 AM, Swapnil Christian wrote:


Hey Min,

Hope this helps, although they are not TSMC models. May be you can use
the Predictive Technology Models available @



--- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
"mshe434" <mshe434@...> wrote:

Hello,


does anyone have TSMC 90nm, 65nm or 45nm node spice model? I just
need one of them for my own study purpose.
If you have one, could you please email me? Thank you.


Min


Re: Unrecognized Parameters in MOSFET Model

 

Sorry, forgot to mention that this is a PSPICE model.
Is a level 5 PSPICE the same as level 3 in LTspice?
Possibly not. There is no central clearinghouse for MOSFET model
LEVELs. Usually the first few (1-3?) are the same everywhere, since
that's what came with Berkeley SPICE2, but above that they might not
be.

LTspice's LEVEL=5 is a BSIM2 model, so unless you know it is supposed
to be BSIM2, don't use LEVEL=5.

Andy


Re: Unrecognized Parameters in MOSFET Model

 

--- In LTspice@..., "itisa3l" <gerrit@...> wrote:

Sorry, forgot to mention that this is a PSPICE model.
Is a level 5 PSPICE the same as level 3 in LTspice?
Hello,

Level 5 in PSPICE is different from Level 3.

On the other hand, many parameters don't fit the level=5 of
Pspice except Tcv. Tcv is the temperature coefficient of the
threshold voltage in level 5.

I guess the level=5 is a typo in the model. This means you can
change the level to 3 and remove the parameter Tcv. I plotted
Id(Vgs) with level=3 and the current versus Vgs has looked
very similar as shown in the datasheet.

Best regards,
Helmut



.SUBCKT AO4420A 4 1 2
M1 3 5 7 7 NM W=3147763u L=1.07u
M2 7 5 7 4 PM W=2500000u L=0.4u
RG 6 5 0.4
LG 1 6 3n
LS 2 7 1.5n
R1 4 3 RTEMP 6.7450506E-3
CGS 5 2 0.085E-10
DBD 7 3 DBD

*DSky 7 3 D1; Sky Diode
**
.MODEL D1 D(CJO=2E-10 VJ=0.33 TRS1=0.05 TRS2=0.05 M=0.5 xti=8
+RS=600E-4 FC=0.5 IS=1.5E-6 TT=5E-9 N=1.0 BV=30 IBV=250E-8)


**
.MODEL NM NMOS (LEVEL = 3 TOX = 2.5E-8
+ RS = 3E-4 RD = 0 VTO=1.9 kp=10e-5
+ UO = 274.3 THETA = 0.4 NSUB=2e17
+ VMAX = 8E6 XJ = 5.1E-7 KAPPA = 1.1
+ ETA = 0 TPG = 1
+ IS = 0 LD = 0
+ CGSO = 0 CGDO = 0 CGBO = 0
+ NFS = 2E10 DELTA = 0.1)
*+ TCV=2e-3 ; removed
*
.MODEL PM PMOS (LEVEL = 3 TOX = 2.5E-8
+ NSUB = 5e16 TPG = -1)
*
.MODEL DBD D (CJO=4.2E-10 VJ=0.55 M=0.497 xti=20 TRS1=0.01 TRS2=0.01
+ RS=0.73E-3 FC=0.5 IS=6E-14 TT=15E-9 N=1.0 BV=30 IBV=250E-6)
**
.MODEL RTEMP RES (TC1=4E-3 TC2=3.2E-6)
**
.ENDS


Re: does anyone have TSMC 90nm, 65nm or 45nm node spice model

Swapnil Christian
 

Hey Min,

Hope this helps, although they are not TSMC models. May be you can use the Predictive Technology Models available @

--- In LTspice@..., "mshe434" <mshe434@...> wrote:

Hello,


does anyone have TSMC 90nm, 65nm or 45nm node spice model? I just need one of them for my own study purpose.
If you have one, could you please email me? Thank you.


Min


Re: Unrecognized Parameters in MOSFET Model

 

Sorry, forgot to mention that this is a PSPICE model. Is a level 5 PSPICE the same as level 3 in LTspice?


Re: Unrecognized Parameters in MOSFET Model

 

Thanks, Bordodynov. When I change to level 3 I still get one unrecognized parameter Tcv. Also, the LTspice Help shows seven different levels for MOSFETs including level 5. I hope the man'f knows what they're doing when they spec level 5, but maybe I'm being too charitable...

--- In LTspice@..., ?????????¡Á ¨¢???????? <bordodunovalex@...> wrote:

Hi.
The text of the model contains an error. Replace LEVEL = 5 ---> LEVEL = 3.
Bordodynov.

23.09.2011, 01:28, "itisa3l" <gerrit@...>:
Hello LTspice gurus,

I got a model for the AO4420A MOSFET from Alpha & Omega which LTspice doesn't like. It says it doesn't recognize all but the first parameter in an internally-defined NMOS model NM, but I can't find a problem with it. I have uploaded a test file including the AO model to "AO Error.asc" in the Temp folder.

This forum is a wealth of great information! I have an overflowing document of tips I've snipped from here. I'd be very grateful for yet another bit of help.


Re: Using Encrypted Library Files

 

--- In LTspice@..., "Tim" <timstansifer@...> wrote:

I have been trying to use an encrypted library file but
LT Spice is not reading it correctly. The help files claim
that it can be done so maybe I am just missing something.

I have brought it into LT Spice like any other 3rd party model.
Is there another step required to make this model readable?
Hello Tim,

LTspice can only use files which were encrypted with LTspice.
Hspice can only use files which were encrypted with Hspice.
Pspice can only use files which were encrypted with Pspice.
...

For which SPICE were your files encrypted?

Best regards,
Helmut


Using Encrypted Library Files

 

I have been trying to use an encrypted library file but LT Spice is not reading it correctly. The help files claim that it can be done so maybe I am just missing something.

I have brought it into LT Spice like any other 3rd party model. Is there another step required to make this model readable?


does anyone have TSMC 90nm, 65nm or 45nm node spice model

 

Hello,


does anyone have TSMC 90nm, 65nm or 45nm node spice model? I just need one of them for my own study purpose.
If you have one, could you please email me? Thank you.


Min


Re: IRL630 Model Request

 

Thank you for your help and advice, Tony, but in defense of my competence as a user of the internet, I tried all that and there are no SPICE models on any of those pages specifically for the IRL630 (unless I'm missing something obvious, in which case I humbly submit myself to you). I even emailed Vishay, who responded today that they do not have a SPICE model for that part. Of course, all this just means I have to learn how to write code! Something I was hoping to avoid, but a useful skill none the less. Thanks everyone for your help.

--- In LTspice@..., "Tony Casey" <tony@...> wrote:



--- In LTspice@..., Ganesan <dg1@> wrote:

In fairness, wouldn't be the first place I would look for them
either... Does somebody know a more user unfriendly website..?
Cheers
AG
Perhaps I was a little harsh. I apologise.

Yes, there is a little subtlety in getting at Vishay's models. This is what I do:
1. Browse to - this is list of devices (selector guide). Do not search for the part using their search box, models are not listed on the product pages. Duh!
2. Use Ctrl-F in your browser to find the device you want in the list.
3. Hover the cursor above the "i" icon - a list will pop up of all the documents relating to that device, including models where available.

Regards,
Tony


Re: IRL630 Model Request

 

Thanks! Now I just have to learn how to compile and implement this code in LTSpice... a topic for a different thread.

--- In LTspice@..., ?????????¡Á ¨¢???????? <bordodunovalex@...> wrote:

Sorry.
model IRL630 VDMOS VTO=2.033 RS=0.03325 KP=21.514 RD=0.2711 RG=13.626 I CGDMAX=4.5n CGDMIN=5p CBD=2.43E-10 IS=6.09p Rb=0.0198 TT=4.563e-07 Cgs=978p
Bordodynov.

23.09.2011, 09:15, "?`???€?????????????? ???????????¡ã?????€" <bordodunovalex@...>:
.model IRL630 VMOS VTO=2.033 RS=0.03325 KP=21.514 RD=0.2711 RG=13.626 I CGDMAX=4.50E-09 CGDMIN=5.00E-12 CBD=2.43E-10 IS=6.09e-12 Rb=0.0198 TT=4.563e-07 Cgs=9.78E-10
Bordodynov.

23.09.2011, 06:17, "Charly Engineering" <charly020664@...>:
Yes, no question, de.sci.electronics, 1 thread there and You are feeling bad and stupid (but without reason :-) )

best regards, Leo

--- In LTspice@..., Ganesan <dg1@> wrote:

In fairness, wouldn't be the first place I would look for them
either... Does somebody know a more user unfriendly website..?
Cheers


Identify Plots From Swept Parameter Output

 

I have built a circuit where I sweep three parameters, let's say R1, R2, and R3. When I run that I get 27 plots of course, and I can use Select Steps to see which values correspond to which plots, which is great. But what I really need to do is pick out the top and bottom plot in the series of 27. I didn't find an answer in my searched in this forum, so I thought I would write.

The short question is: If I have multiple plots in the plotting window from a set of ".step param X List 1 2 3" commands, how can I identify what param values are associated with each plot?

Thanks very much.


Re: building subcircuit graphically?

 

you can normally copy and paste text
That works for the .MODEL statements that you can paste into your schematic.

But you will still need to draw the entire schematic yourself.

You might be able to copy portions of the schematic from the PDF, as
graphics, but it would be non-functional. Just a picture to help
document your schematic.

Andy