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Hi, my aunt in Poland was telling about how her father (my grandfather) was sent to Siberia and because there were a rich noble family and had connections they forged a document and he was released at an old age after spending 5 years in Siberia was put on a train back home to Kobryn and someone recognized him, he was so skinny with fleas under his arm pits, just awful he arrived on December 22nd and 2 days later died on December 24th, on his birthday! coincidentally December 24th is my birthday also, my aunt could not believe the coincidence my mother had to confirm it.I can ask her to write me everything she remembered her father Tomasz Adam Dabrowski told her, he also sent letters from Siberia, I will scan and email it to you for the book. Good luck Nadia.

My Kresy site is down at the moment, the ISP is upgrading server software for DoS attacks and the Gonner Virus it should be up and running by 11:30GMT today in the meantime if there's any info required please mail me Paul * Fiserv CBS Division - Banking Technology for the Future. ** This e-mail should be considered confidential between Fiserv and the addressee organisation(s), and may be covered by legal, professional or other privilege (or other similar rules or laws). It should not be circulated to any third party without the prior written consent of the original author. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. Nor should you take any action with reference to it. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately Fiserv (Europe) Limited - Registered in England & Wales No. 2467435.

We seem to have a abundance of authors on this list I'm creating my mother's memories from her childhood into a book with any luck someone will publish it Paul * Fiserv CBS Division - Banking Technology for the Future. ** This e-mail should be considered confidential between Fiserv and the addressee organisation(s), and may be covered by legal, professional or other privilege (or other similar rules or laws). It should not be circulated to any third party without the prior written consent of the original author. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. Nor should you take any action with reference to it. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately Fiserv (Europe) Limited - Registered in England & Wales No. 2467435.

I'm heading to the Ukrainian bookshop tomorrow(08/12) Notting Hill, London I'll be checking my mail before I go so if any one wants anything let me know and I'll see what can be obtained Linder - I'll have another look for that book you wanted Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.paulhavers.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free, Checked by Norton AV 2002 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I thought this might be appropriate as the last poem was very good. This is a English translation I, left Lwow, on a black dark night for unknown shores, on a wasted journey, On my lips I took with me, the salty taste of my mothers tears ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.paulhavers.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free, Checked by Norton AV 2002 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tony Dzimitrowicz Please welcome Tony to the group. Born anywhere near St.Lawrence College or Potsdam NY? Tony, I would direct you to the website www.AForgottenOdyssey.com, about a film in English on all this. On that site you will find many links about what happened. Let us know what your cousin has to say about her experiences. Regards, -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

For the Life of a Polish Child In Iran Thanks for this, Janie I had read this story of love and human kindness before, but had lost it in the sands of the internet desert. I will have the reference added to our links page on www.AForgottenOdyssey.com For others in the group, please do not hesitate to forward me any other web pages of interest to our topic so we can share them with the group. -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ----------

Hello Betty Thanks for your e-mail, and I would like to welcome you to the group. I would also direct you to the website www.AForgottenOdyssey.com, about a film in English on all this. On that site you will find many links about what happened. Let us know what you discover and what you think about these experiences. Thanks to Fred for posting his notice about our group in the Gen Dobry newsletter, which any group members interested can find it at http://PolishRoots.org/ -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

The Kresy domain is down at the moment, my ISP is updating the Systems against the DoS and Gonner virus it should be up and running by 11:30GMT In the meantime if there's any information that you require please let me know Paul

Stefan, I received the fvideo and am planning the showing after Christmas, now the times are bussy. I know that i have to deposit the money in your account on Bay Street in Toronto, but iIhave lost the details, so please give them again. Any ontributions that we will receive from the showing will go to producers through your account Would it be correct? Wanda

Last night ITV2 showed the SS in Britain, about the 14th SS "Galizien" division I'm still amazed that in spite of all the evidence presented the author M. Melnyk and the "others" are still denying and disputing the facts. There were German documents that showed the divisions whereabouts and they are adamant that those documents are wrong. I suggest that if others can watch it they do as it shows the Ukrainian Nationalist's mentality to insist that they are innocent of the crimes, they've even managed to persuade their children that they were the victims I have posed this question to M. Melnyk, If you state that you're Ukrainians fighting for a free Ukraine and despise the Poles and all that they stand for. Also you have never acknowledged the territory being Polish, why then upon your surrender to the British did you all pass yourselves as Polish citizens. I'm awaiting his reply. * Fiserv CBS Division - Banking Technology for the Future. ** This e-mail should be considered confidential between Fiserv and the addressee organisation(s), and may be covered by legal, professional or other privilege (or other similar rules or laws). It should not be circulated to any third party without the prior written consent of the original author. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. Nor should you take any action with reference to it. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately Fiserv (Europe) Limited - Registered in England & Wales No. 2467435.

Sorry Wanda and list, but I forgot to mention that I do not speak Polish very well at all. Can anyone tell me what this organization does? Does it report on Senate proceedings as well as other things? Thanks a lot, Eve

I didn't save the postings, but I think you were trying to find some info on Bortkiewicze a couple weeks ago? I was looking up some villages in Slownik Geograficzny yesterday. Hope this helps you: Bortkiewicze 1.) ws~ Wl~os~c., pow. oszmianski, 1 okr. pol., gm. Polany (15 w.), nalez~y do do~br. skarb. Daukszynszki. Nabyta w 1787 r. przez Ignacego Waz~yn~skiego od Bortkiewiczo~w, wyszl~a z domu Waz~yn~skich wskutek eksdywizyi okol~o r. 1830. 2.) B., ws~, pow. dz~win~ski (dyneburski), par. Krasl~aw. So there were 2 villages by the name Bortkiewicze, the first one listed being in Oszmiany powiat (district), 15 wiorsts from Polany. ShtetlSeeker finds 3 Polany's in Belarus. One is due north of Asmjany, about halfway to Hrodzi, and now known as Paljany. Hope this helps, Barbara Proko

Thank you Wanda for the info about Stowarzyszenie Wspolnota Polska. When the list of screenings with locations, dates, and times becomes available for "A Forgotten Odyssey," I will be sure to let my Canadian friends know if posted to the list. Eve Jankowicz

While surfing for something I came across this http://www.deportacja.republika.pl/pocz1.html the only problem is that it's in Polish, but some of us can read and translate if necessary Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.havers-family.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message has been checked for all known Viruses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I was wondering if anyone could help me with an electronic address for the Social Security Administration in Baltimore, Maryland. The reason I ask is that i'm in Australia and I found an entry of a Wasyl Sycz who died in the USA in May 1979. This name is the same as that of my Grandfathers and I'd thought it would be worth a try to see if he was in fact my GF. Thanks Denis

Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Work email address Paul I think this came to me by mistake. Elizabeth

Dear Colleagues, Can someone put me right? I am a little confused about the place that my father was imprisoned during the war. According to his Polish Army Records, 'he was deported to within the former USSR in 1940 [exact date and place unknown]'. Family stories tell of 'Siberia Salt Mines', but as he came from Lwow and was captured there, I begin to wonder! WERE there any Salt Mines in Siberia? There was some Salt Mines near Krakow, I'm told. Could he have been captured at Lwow, sent to a Krakow Mine/Labour camp, then be released to join the Polish Army being organised at that time? Family stories just don't add up, so I'm trying to take out 'supposition' and re-think the whole thing. Appreciate any guidance from you all. Thanks Linder

Hello fellow researchers, I subscribe to Scoop, a online magazine produced by Lonely Planet, the following article published by them looks to be very useful to those historical searchers amongst us. John Russia 14 December '01 The View From the USSR Ever had a burning urge to watch the coronation of Tsar Nicholas II? Or witness the heroics of Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space? Or even relive the Soviet invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia? Up until now it has been virtually impossible with all 38,000 films and 1 million photographs of Russia's Central Films and Stills Archive held in guarded vaults in a 19th century building in Krasnogorsk, outside Moscow, and access granted only to a select few. However, the entire collection is being placed online, including a virtually complete collection of newsreels from 1919 to 1985 documenting the politics, wars, disasters and people of the former United Soviet Socialist Republic. The project is being realized thanks to an agreement between Russian authorities and a Texas-based multimedia companyAbamedia, whose website hosts the archive. Already there are over 25,000 films in Russian and about 5000 films in English online, as well as thousands of pictures - from Soviet propaganda posters to oriental art from the Far East and Central As

Welcome Richard Czarnecki Please welcome Richard to the group Though he has no immediate links to this topic, he has interest and also a theory that an ancestor may have been deported to Siberia by the Russians in earlier years. Richard, we welcome you to stay a while and to get to know this topic - even if you do not find anything directly related to you, you may make some other connections and help somebody else researching this tragic event. I invite you to visit the following websites to quickly come up to speed. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia and http://www.AForgottenOdyssey.com -- Stefan Wisniowski, Moderator