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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] British Auslander camps in Germany was (Re: From Wolyn to Austria)

 

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Bernie, these are amazing photos, I have some similar but not many. I assisted Henryk Hill when joining KS, it is a small world.

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I never really asked mother about the train trip and she has a way of shutting out and only give partial description. Only the two daughters were taken in 1942 and mother was place with older Bohater (farmer) whose 16 year old son was taken for Hitler Youth.? She was given room, with a bed and single window, the size of a skinny bathroom and farmers¡¯ recently dead, grandmothers¡¯ clothes.? Her jobs were washing clothes, cooking, cleaning and loading sacks of potatoes, milking cows and general farm work.

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The farmer called her Ellie, German for Helena, taught her to ride a bicycle and carry milk pales on the handles after milking the cows. She was treated well at the farm, but being of Chmielewski blood, was always outspoken and it is a wonder she was not sent back.? The farmer attempted to kiss her one time and she punched him flat to the ground, he never said a word and did not touch her after this and warned the other blokes to stay away, in a sense, saying she was bad news. ?

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Another time she was out past curfew, broke the bedroom window to get inside, was caught and locked in a windowless room of the barn with only a horse blanket for warm and not given food or water for 2-3 days as punishment. ??But overall, she was lucky to be on a farm and was treated better by the Germans than she was under Soviets and was able to eat again, to the point where her 19 year old body was starting to develop normally as a 16 year old would have under good conditions. Her body stopped developing because of starvation and hardship.

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Her younger sister Zosia/Sophia was on another farm close by and treated much better. But after Capitulation, she decided to go back home, to what was now the Ukraine and had a very short life.? My mother¡¯s last contact was with family in Niwna 1942 and then with her sister in Germany, 1946, before she went back home to mother in Niwna, with the Ukrainian train.? Her mother, my Grandmother Kamila died 1947.

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On Helena/Ellie farm called Styglund, Flensburg, they used French, Polish and other prisoners to do the hard farm labour, with my muscle proud mother, showing off to the blokes, working equally as hard and used as an example by the farmer, in the equivalent of ¡°look here you blokes, this girl can load more sacks of potatoes onto the truck than you can. So stop being lazy and start working¡± with 'Ellie, come here and show these men how to load sacks of potatoes onto the truck¡¯. ?She was not weak or feminine and complied, no one touched her otherwise she would beat them up.

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After Capitulation, the Allies did not have room for all the displaced people, so they left them on the farms, but the farmers did not want them anymore because they did not want to feed them, there was no food. ?Finally they British took them and kept the men and women in separate quarters. My Godmother Adela, who married Wladyslaw Balanda, was bunkmate with my mother and immigrated to Australia, while her family went to Canada.? People mingled, had boyfriend, girlfriend, got married or just had children.

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While in the British Camp of Eckeraforde, the Poles were short of food, so they slaughtered a German Farmers milk cow, were caught and the entire camp was move to the island with only one road in and out, so the British could control them more easily.

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Attachment photo my mother Helena Chmielewska at Styglund farm, Flensburg 1946 and my father Jozef Jarkiewicz on guard duty at Eckeraforde British Camp 1947.

Kind regards,

Lenarda, Australia

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Lenarda,
She went to Flensburg?
That is where Henryk Hil's mother Helena Bej was sent!
She is on the wall of names.

But in reading your account your family was treated much better.
My dad's description of the train trip was more akin to the descriptions given by Jewish Holocost survivors. At their stops they were made to strip and undergo delousing
He also noted that as the train went west that it got shorter.
He believes that eastern Jews were being dropped off at death camps along the way but cant be certain.
Its also possible that some cars were left at various stations along the way for waiting masters there.

The name of the farm they were taken to was Alt Eifrade (If I got the spelling right)

I did a google search for UNRRA archives and they do exist but it appears that these are mostly administrative documents and not actual refugee (DP) papers.
I would think that they would have been recorded somehow with their immigration documents.
Much of what I found is either at UN HQ in New York or at Columbia University however I did not do a thorough search.

Here are some photos of my dad and his friends and his sisters at the UNRRA camps at Wendtdorf and Pinneburg.


We owe the allies a great deal for the humanitarian work they did after the war.
If they had just declared victory and left no one would have survived.

Bernie


Re: From Wolyn to Austria

 

Bernie,

You wrote: "The Germans were running a slave labor collection campaign run by Riech Commander Erich Koch who orchestrated a deal with Stepan Bandera of the UPA to ethnically cleans (the modern term) the region of Poles for the purpose of capture and deportation."

Can you point me to a source for this fact ?

Thanks,

Andy Golebiowski
Buffalo, N.Y.
U.S.A.

PS. I think you meant to say "capture and deportation for the purpose of ethnic cleansing.", correct ?

--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Bernard Starzewski <bernard_starzewski@...> wrote:

Their experience closely parallels that of my family.
All of the people and families I have met that were deported for slave labor by the German's have a similar story (so far) so I can probably guess what the larger picture would be.

The Germans were running a slave labor collection campaign run by Riech Commander Erich Koch who orchestrated a deal with Stepan Bandera of the UPA to ethnically cleans (the modern term) the region of Poles for the purpose of capture and deportation.

Wlodzimierz was the largest city with a large rail yard and according to my father the NAZIs set up open rail cars there and told the streams of refugees coming into the city that they were to be used as temporary shelter. ?But once the trains were full the SS came around and slammed the car doors shut and locked them and the trains pulled out headed west.

It may be possible that similar things took place in cities like Lwow but I have no information on that.

Depending on which city they were taken to they were lined up for selection by farmers and factory owners for use as forced labor. ?Those that werent selected or anyone that was considered undesirable were sent on to Neuengamme Concentration camp. ?This is where my father ended up but only after being accused of sabotage at the farm where he was put to work. ?;)
He was one of the few who survived all the way through including the liquidation of the survivors at Lubeck in May 45 by loading them into ships and tricking the RAF into sinking them.

If you are looking for information on this the Germans kept very good records on this and issued "Arbietbuchs" to all of the workers. ?I would expect there to be a record of it somewhere.
These books had records entries in them for every change of status for every prisoner including photo IDs.
Also, after the war UNRRA (United Nations Relief and Recovery Act) documented the origins and path that brought them to what ever point they were liberated at. ?There should be an archive of that as well at the UN.
In our case my father saved all of his documents and Im attaching a couple here as an example.
If you family did not save them there almost certainly has to be a record of their journey at the UN or they would not have been processed for emigration.

I hope this helps!

Bernie


[www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: From Wolyn to Austria [5 Attachments]

 

Lenarda,
She went to Flensburg?
That is where Henryk Hil's mother Helena Bej was sent!
She is on the wall of names.

But in reading your account your family was treated much better.
My dad's description of the train trip was more akin to the descriptions given by Jewish Holocost survivors. At their stops they were made to strip and undergo delousing
He also noted that as the train went west that it got shorter.
He believes that eastern Jews were being dropped off at death camps along the way but cant be certain.
Its also possible that some cars were left at various stations along the way for waiting masters there.

The name of the farm they were taken to was Alt Eifrade (If I got the spelling right)

I did a google search for UNRRA archives and they do exist but it appears that these are mostly administrative documents and not actual refugee (DP) papers.
I would think that they would have been recorded somehow with their immigration documents.
Much of what I found is either at UN HQ in New York or at Columbia University however I did not do a thorough search.

Here are some photos of my dad and his friends and his sisters at the UNRRA camps at Wendtdorf and Pinneburg.


We owe the allies a great deal for the humanitarian work they did after the war.
If they had just declared victory and left no one would have survived.

Bernie


Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Kazakhstan Deportations

 

Hi, Peter!

Main farm? of M.Gorky's kolhoz?was located in the village of Pawlowka, 16 kilometers east of the town of Alga. Its coordinates: 49.871240,57.542180.
There really was bigger meal - squeezing of milk. It was closer to the train station (ALGA). There is a river Schulak.

I looked a little information about the deportation of Poles in the Aktobe region. As of January 1, 1941? were?650 Kolhoz and covhoz, grain yield was horrendously low - about 0.35 tons per hectare (!!). Not surprisingly, there was a famine all over the place. But hunger is not killing people. Disease killed people - the entire area (270,000 square kilometers) had only one (!) Clinic, 21 bad Hospital (828 beds), 77 doctors, 107 nurses and 163 paramedics.

In 2008, the village Pawlowka, based Orenburg Cossacks, renamed, its name is hard to pronounce, even me: Eset Batyr Kokiuly. The horror.

Apparently, the Aktobe region will be the next one, which I will explore in the?Rommer list.

Stan from M.
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From: petermuskus
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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:36 PM
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You've done very well so can you find Maxim Gorky kolkhoz "a much larger village"? This was the second farm they moved to because TokManSay did not have enough food to see them through the winter. It was also near Alga or Aktyubinsk.

Many thanks
Peter

> Tokmansay (Alga rajon, Aktobe oblast) -?? Google: 49.835160,57.935720
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> See my map.
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> Stan.
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> To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:22 PM
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: From Wolyn to Austria [5 Attachments]

 

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Bernie, you have answered a great question as to why a Ukrainian came to my mother¡¯s door in Niwna and asked for both daughters, born 1924-1925 to be sent to Germany.? They were given black bread and rye coffee for the journey by the Germans and stopped, one day, ?for a long while, ?allowed to get off train for walk, toilet stop, ?etc.? now with research, this is where they would have to change trains, ?because of the different rail gauge, mother remembers walking into a well kept farmhouse and given a block of cheese by local woman to take on train and continued on to Germany, which took many days.

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Once there, ?After medical examination, my mother Helena Chmielewska was chosen for Styglund Farm, Flensburg and her sister was at another farm

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Helena married Jozef Jarkiewicz ?1948 from Polish Calvary, captured by Germans 1939, who was released to work on Styglund ?Farm, Flensburg ?1945, where Helena was ?working.? 1946-1948 they both stayed in British Camp Eckerenforde and immigrated to Australia 1949. See two (2) attachments.

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Her younger sister, chose to go back home to Soviet Controlled Ukraine, ?was returned to Niwna, 60k from Slucz River and 30k from Zhitomierz, ?with Ukrainian contingent on train and last photo taken was 1953, she is now deceased.

Kind regards

Lenarda, Australia

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From: Kresy-Siberia@... [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...] On Behalf Of Bernard Starzewski
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May, 2013 11:24 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: From Wolyn to Austria [5 Attachments]

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[Attachment(s) from Bernard Starzewski included below]

Their experience closely parallels that of my family.

All of the people and families I have met that were deported for slave labor by the German's have a similar story (so far) so I can probably guess what the larger picture would be.

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The Germans were running a slave labor collection campaign run by Riech Commander Erich Koch who orchestrated a deal with Stepan Bandera of the UPA to ethnically cleans (the modern term) the region of Poles for the purpose of capture and deportation.

?

Wlodzimierz was the largest city with a large rail yard and according to my father the NAZIs set up open rail cars there and told the streams of refugees coming into the city that they were to be used as temporary shelter. ?But once the trains were full the SS came around and slammed the car doors shut and locked them and the trains pulled out headed west.

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It may be possible that similar things took place in cities like Lwow but I have no information on that.

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Depending on which city they were taken to they were lined up for selection by farmers and factory owners for use as forced labor. ?Those that werent selected or anyone that was considered undesirable were sent on to Neuengamme Concentration camp. ?This is where my father ended up but only after being accused of sabotage at the farm where he was put to work. ?;)

He was one of the few who survived all the way through including the liquidation of the survivors at Lubeck in May 45 by loading them into ships and tricking the RAF into sinking them.

?

If you are looking for information on this the Germans kept very good records on this and issued "Arbietbuchs" to all of the workers. ?I would expect there to be a record of it somewhere.

These books had records entries in them for every change of status for every prisoner including photo IDs.

Also, after the war UNRRA (United Nations Relief and Recovery Act) documented the origins and path that brought them to what ever point they were liberated at. ?There should be an archive of that as well at the UN.

In our case my father saved all of his documents and Im attaching a couple here as an example.

If you family did not save them there almost certainly has to be a record of their journey at the UN or they would not have been processed for emigration.

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I hope this helps!

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Bernie


Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: From Wolyn to Austria [5 Attachments]

 

Dear Bernie
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Many thanks for sharing your information with me.? My mother never spoke about having an Arbietbuch, but I will definitely follow up your leads regarding this.?
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My very best wishes to you.
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Barbara, London UK
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Barbara Alison
Songwriter
Website:
Web Page:
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From: Bernard Starzewski
To: "Kresy-Siberia@..." <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 14:24
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: From Wolyn to Austria [5 Attachments]
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Their experience closely parallels that of my family.
All of the people and families I have met that were deported for slave labor by the German's have a similar story (so far) so I can probably guess what the larger picture would be.

The Germans were running a slave labor collection campaign run by Riech Commander Erich Koch who orchestrated a deal with Stepan Bandera of the UPA to ethnically cleans (the modern term) the region of Poles for the purpose of capture and deportation.

Wlodzimierz was the largest city with a large rail yard and according to my father the NAZIs set up open rail cars there and told the streams of refugees coming into the city that they were to be used as temporary shelter. ?But once the trains were full the SS came around and slammed the car doors shut and locked them and the trains pulled out headed west.

It may be possible that similar things took place in cities like Lwow but I have no information on that.

Depending on which city they were taken to they were lined up for selection by farmers and factory owners for use as forced labor. ?Those that werent selected or anyone that was considered undesirable were sent on to Neuengamme Concentration camp. ?This is where my father ended up but only after being accused of sabotage at the farm where he was put to work. ?;)
He was one of the few who survived all the way through including the liquidation of the survivors at Lubeck in May 45 by loading them into ships and tricking the RAF into sinking them.

If you are looking for information on this the Germans kept very good records on this and issued "Arbietbuchs" to all of the workers. ?I would expect there to be a record of it somewhere.
These books had records entries in them for every change of status for every prisoner including photo IDs.
Also, after the war UNRRA (United Nations Relief and Recovery Act) documented the origins and path that brought them to what ever point they were liberated at. ?There should be an archive of that as well at the UN.
In our case my father saved all of his documents and Im attaching a couple here as an example.
If you family did not save them there almost certainly has to be a record of their journey at the UN or they would not have been processed for emigration.

I hope this helps!

Bernie


Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: From Wolyn to Austria

 

Dear Anna
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Many thanks for all your information and leads, which I will certainly follow up.? Unfortunately, all my family who survived the massacre in Niemilia are now deceased, expect for my mother's youngest sister who was only 1 year old at the time so doesn't remember anything, although I will double check with her.?
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I am writing my family memoirs based on the narratives of my mother and father, as well as my grandmothers.? The group is of great help in filling many of the gaps I keep coming across.?
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I am very grateful for your help.
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Best regards
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Barbara, London UK
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Barbara Alison
Songwriter
Website:
Web Page:
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From: annapacewicz
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:56
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: From Wolyn to Austria
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Dear Barbara there is a reference to this village in Professor Piotrowski's book "Murder and Rescue in Wolyn" (which you can easily buy on Amazon - under the Kresy-Siberia bookshop). The book is divided into chapters by region and there is a chapter on Kostopol County. There is also a map of Kostopol county and it looks like your mother's village was roughly between the larger towns of Berezne and Ludwipol.

The reference to your village is on page 50 in the account of Nychypir from Kamionka (From the account of Jan Baginski from Kamionka). The timeline here seems to be July.

"News began to reach us regarding the murder of Polish people in surrounding villages. Groups of armed Banderowcy and Bulbowcy also marched or rode through our village at night. We lived in constant fear for our lives. We spent the nights in the fields or thickets away from our house. At times, our Ukrainian neighbours provided us with shelter, especially on rainy and cold nights. All around us Polish properties and villages went up in smoke. We waited anxiously for our turn.
On July 23, 1943, a group of Banderowcy rode into our village and halted at the house of our Ukrainian neighbour. Our neighbour listened to what they had to say and then sent his children to us with the warning that we should flee immediately. We decided to flee to the town of Bystrzyce, located on the Slucz River, where a large German garrison was stationed. At one point during our flight my great-grandmother, Michalina Baginska, refused to go any further. She turned around and went back home. There, she was slain by the Banderowcy, who brought her to the Protestant cemetery in Kamionka and periced her with bayonets.
My relatives, the Burawski family, remained in their home. The family consisted of several persons: Maria, Stefania, Zofia, Wladyslaw, Jadwiga, Stanislawa and Boleslaw. All of them were murdered with axes and knives. Their remains were left in the field. After a few days had passed, one of their Ukrainian neighbours buried them next to their home.
Other Polish families - among them Fajfer, Miller, Sozanski, and Gdowski were warned and managed to escape to Kostopol. The Gdowski family were transported there by their Ukrainian neighbour, Nychypir. For this, he and his family paid with their lives. After killing him the Banderowcy led his wife, his daughter, his son-in-law, and his two small grandchildren to some shubrs near the house and there choked them with horse tethers...
During our flight to Bystrzyce, I saw the outline of the former Polish village of Niemilia. It was completely burned down and only the chimneys and parts of some buildings remained standing. I heard from the people I met that there were only two wounded survivors from that village. The rest perished under axes and knives of the Banderowcy. Estimates as to the number of victims ranged from 150-200".

Barbara - I don't know the details of your family. But from all the accounts I have read and interviews I have done, many of the Polish people who survived did so by seeking the protection of the German garrisons at the larger towns. Although the Germans largely turned a blind eye to the ethnic massacres and also encouraged the Ukrainians to take arms against the Poles, the extent of the carnage obviously alarmed the Germans to some extent. From the protection of the German garrisons, the Poles were then deported off to Germany for forced labour. As Austria was under German occupation, I am assuming that Poles were also sent there. When Germany was finally defeated by the allies there were hundreds of thousands of Poles in displacement camps in Germany.

Halik Kochanski in her book "The eagle unbowed: Poland and the Poles in the 2nd World War" has a good account of the Wolyn massacres.

We also have a section on in it in the new English Galleries Overview of KSVM, www.kresy-siberia.org/galleries.

Is your mother and/or aunts still alive? If so, we would love to interview them for our Survivor Testimony project also on the virtual museum?

Kind regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Barbara Alison wrote:
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> Dear Group
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> Hope someone can help me with a missing link I have in my mother's history.? My mother, Walentyna (nee Misiewicz), miraculously survived the massacre in May 1943 carried out by the Ukrainian nationalists?in her village Niemilja (pow. Kostopol, woj. wolynskie)?together with her mother and 2 younger sisters, who hid in the nearby woods.? Her father and 2 older sisters were murdered.? I know that my mother and her family were later deported by the Germans to Austria, but would like to find out what happened to them in-between the massacre and the deportation.? I would also like to know, if possible, when they were deported and where in Austria.?
> ?
> I'd be very grateful to anyone who may have any?information on this?
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> Best regards
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> Barbara, London UK?
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> Barbara Alison
> Songwriter
> Website:
> Web Page: www.songandmedia.com/Barbara-Alison.html
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Re: Danuta Rumfeld nee Nowak - does anyone know them?

 

Dear Lenarda,

Many thanks. It was very interesting to read Danuta's obituary. She was very active in remembering the Katyn victims. No mention of any children.

Best wishes
Peter


Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Nowak family - does anyone know them?

 

That would be better for my sanity if it was a misunderstanding.
To send attachment, once you hit 'reply' click on the littel paper clip up on left corner. Find document and voila!
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Thanks for everything Peter, and I did get your explanation about Ursulas hometown.
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Mark T.
Canada

From: petermuskus
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:53:25 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Nowak family - does anyone know them?
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Mark,

I suspect that like me they misunderstood the letter from Polski Memorial. I will attach jpg if you tell me how!

Best wishes
Peter

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> Interesting piece for me here, as Ignacy Nowak is reported as #55/4-82 on the Ukraine List. The writer below believes he was shot at Zamarstyn prison in Lwow.??
> I have believed that all the Ukr list folks were rounded up from the various jails and transported to the 3 main NKWD slaughterhouses, 900 from Lwow.
> Now more controversy if they actually shot some without transporting them according to the list.


Re: Nowak family - does anyone know them?

 

Mark,

I suspect that like me they misunderstood the letter from Polski Memorial. I will attach jpg if you tell me how!

Best wishes
Peter

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Interesting piece for me here, as Ignacy Nowak is reported as #55/4-82 on the Ukraine List. The writer below believes he was shot at Zamarstyn prison in Lwow.??
I have believed that all the Ukr list folks were rounded up from the various jails and transported to the 3 main NKWD slaughterhouses, 900 from Lwow.
Now more controversy if they actually shot some without transporting them according to the list.


[www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Kazakhstan Deportations

 

Mark,

No, Urszula was born and brought up in Rawa. The only time she was away was when at school in Lwow. Her connection with Przemzsl is on 1st Jan 1956. She met her sisters here on her return from Krasnoyarsk Region of Siberia.

Rawa/Rava Ruska is on the Polish border 60km NW of Lwow.

Peter

Had they fled Przemysl earlier? When?
I had read that it was invaded Sept 29, and it seems obvious that some people would move elsewhere. If my family fled elsewhere I need to find out where to sniff out the trail.
Where was/is Rawa Ruska?


[www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Kazakhstan Deportations

 

Wow! Stan, thanks. Have been too busy building, just looked at Google satellite and map. Great to have collaboration to Urszula's memory and see where she and my dad were. I thought the steppe was very flat, like the fens in Lincolnshire, but i see they are cut by water erosion.

You've done very well so can you find Maxim Gorky kolkhoz "a much larger village"? This was the second farm they moved to because TokManSay did not have enough food to see them through the winter. It was also near Alga or Aktyubinsk.

Many thanks
Peter

Tokmansay (Alga rajon, Aktobe oblast) -?? Google: 49.835160,57.935720

See my map.

Stan.


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To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Kazakhstan Deportations


Re: Posting photos

 

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Hi Bernie,
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The photos were pending approval by a moderator.? They are now approved and visible.
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Krystyna
Winnipeg, Canada
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From: bstar53
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:17 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Posting photos
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I created an album of my father's war records including his Arbietbuch from his forced labor in Germany.
For some reason now two albums of that name exist but both are empty.
Were these photos taken down for some reason?


Re: From Wolyn to Austria

 

Their experience closely parallels that of my family.
All of the people and families I have met that were deported for slave labor by the German's have a similar story (so far) so I can probably guess what the larger picture would be.

The Germans were running a slave labor collection campaign run by Riech Commander Erich Koch who orchestrated a deal with Stepan Bandera of the UPA to ethnically cleans (the modern term) the region of Poles for the purpose of capture and deportation.

Wlodzimierz was the largest city with a large rail yard and according to my father the NAZIs set up open rail cars there and told the streams of refugees coming into the city that they were to be used as temporary shelter. ?But once the trains were full the SS came around and slammed the car doors shut and locked them and the trains pulled out headed west.

It may be possible that similar things took place in cities like Lwow but I have no information on that.

Depending on which city they were taken to they were lined up for selection by farmers and factory owners for use as forced labor. ?Those that werent selected or anyone that was considered undesirable were sent on to Neuengamme Concentration camp. ?This is where my father ended up but only after being accused of sabotage at the farm where he was put to work. ?;)
He was one of the few who survived all the way through including the liquidation of the survivors at Lubeck in May 45 by loading them into ships and tricking the RAF into sinking them.

If you are looking for information on this the Germans kept very good records on this and issued "Arbietbuchs" to all of the workers. ?I would expect there to be a record of it somewhere.
These books had records entries in them for every change of status for every prisoner including photo IDs.
Also, after the war UNRRA (United Nations Relief and Recovery Act) documented the origins and path that brought them to what ever point they were liberated at. ?There should be an archive of that as well at the UN.
In our case my father saved all of his documents and Im attaching a couple here as an example.
If you family did not save them there almost certainly has to be a record of their journey at the UN or they would not have been processed for emigration.

I hope this helps!

Bernie


Posting photos

 

I created an album of my father's war records including his Arbietbuch from his forced labor in Germany.
For some reason now two albums of that name exist but both are empty.
Were these photos taken down for some reason?


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STEPHEN STELMASZUK
 

Can you send an e-mail back to stephen.stelmaszuksnr@... please having trouble importing to new account
Thanks Stephen.


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STEPHEN STELMASZUK
 

New E-mailaddy
Stephen


Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Keith Sword

 

Apparently Keith Sword died in 1998.?Here and below is information on his research archives at University College London:

,d.aGc?

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski
Sydney Australia



RefNo:?GB 0369 SWO
Title:?Sword, Keith ( -1998) Collection: Polish Migration Project
Date:?c1919-c1997

Storage Site:?UCL SSEES
Level:?Collection
Extent: c. 40 boxes

Admin History:?
The Polish Migration Project was set up at the School of Slavonic?and East European Studies (SSEES) in October 1982 with a grant?from the MB Grabowski Fund, it was a joint initiative between the?two organisations. Dr Keith Sword was the project's Research?Fellow.

The aim of the first phase 1982-1986 was to investigate the origins?of the Polish Community in the United Kingdom, principally during?1939-1950. Members of the Polish community from London, Slough,?Brighton and Bradford were interviewed. The second phase, which?began in 1986 researched the experiences of Poles in the Soviet?Union between 1939-1947. From 1990-1994 the project?concentrated on the ethnic identity of second or 'half' generation?Poles

Dr Keith Sword was the project's Research Fellow. Dr Sword was a?social anthropologist who had conducted research among Poles in?Britain for his Doctorate at the University of Sussex. He worked?together with Dr Jan Ciechanowski, and Professor Norman Davies?of SSEES.

Source: SWO/5/26

Publications:
  • Iglicka, Krystyna and Sword, Keith (eds.) 'The challenge of eastwest?migration for Poland' (London: Macmillan, 1998)
  • Sword, Keith 'Deportation and exile: Poles in the Soviet Union,?1939-48' (London: Macmillan in association with School of Slavonic?and East European Studies, University of London , 1994)
  • Sword, Keith, Davies, Norman and Ciechanowski, Jan 'The?formation of the Polish community in Great Britain: 1939-1950'?(London: School of Slavonic and East European Studies, University?of London, 1989)
  • Sword, Keith 'Identity in flux: the Polish community in Britain'?(London: School of Slavonic and East European Studies, University?of London, 1996)
  • Frejka, Tomas, Ok¨®lski, Marek and Sword, Keith (eds.) 'In-depth?studies on migration in central and eastern Europe: the case of?Poland' (New York: United Nations, 1998)
  • Sword, Keith (ed.) 'Sikorski, soldier and statesman: a collection of?essays' (London: Orbis, 1990)
  • Sword, Keith (ed.) 'The Soviet takeover of the Polish eastern?provinces, 1939-1941' (Basingstoke: Macmillan in association with?the School of Slavonic and East European Studies, University of?London, 1991).
  • Sword, Keith (ed.) 'The Times guide to Eastern Europe: inside the?other Europe' (London: Times Books, 1991)
Custodial History:?Transferred to SSEES Library from SSEES

Description:
Papers (notes, transcripts, articles, National Archives records) and?tape recordings chiefly relating to the MB Grabowski project 'Polish?immigration to Great Britain 1939-1950' (Polish Migration Project),?set up at SSEES in October 1982 with a grant from the MB?Grabowski Fund, a joint initiative between the two organisations. ?The project ran in several phases and Dr Keith Sword was the?project's first Research Fellow. Dr Sword was a social?anthropologist who had conducted research among Poles in Britain?for his Doctorate at the University of Sussex. He worked alongside?Dr Jan Ciechanowski, then Principal Lecturer in Politics, Ealing?Polytechnic, and Professor Norman Davies, Professor of Polish?History. The aim of the first phase 1982-1986 was to investigate?the origins of the Polish Community in the United Kingdom,?principally during 1939-1950. Members of the Polish community?from London, Slough, Brighton and Bradford were interviewed. The?second phase, which began in 1986 researched the experiences of?Poles in the Soviet Union between 1939-1947. The collection?contains transcripts and tapes of the interviews. The Polish?Migration Project ran again from 1990-1994.

Repository: GB 0369

Access Status:?Open

Access Conditions:?Parts of the collection may have restricted access.

Reproduction Conditions:
Photocopies/photographs/microfilm are supplied for private?research only at the Archivist's discretion. Please note that material?may be unsuitable for copying on conservation grounds, and that?photographs cannot be photocopied in any circumstances.?Researchers who wish to publish material must seek copyright?permission from the copyright owner.

Catalogue Status:?Catalogued

Languages:?English,?German,?Polish,?Russian

Terms:
Polish (cultural identity)
Social anthropology
Cultural and social anthropology
Social research
Interviews
Ethnic identity
Refugees
International migration
Migration
Second World War (1939-1945)

Place Key: Poland,?Eastern Europe,?Lithuania


Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Keith Sword

 

Dear Anna and Danuta

sadly Keith Sword is no longer amongst us. He died quite unexpectedly some years ago. Yes his book is excellent and Keith was one of the pioneers of this topic.

Kind regards

Julia Devlin

Am 2013-05-14 09:00, schrieb annapacewicz:

Dear Danuta, I have just recently read this book - which is excellent
and contains much historical detail that I have not read elsewhere.

The book only says that Keith Sword was at the School of Slavonic and
East European Studies, as you say, University of London. Perhaps they
can help to track him down if he is not still there. My copy was
published in 1994 so almost 20 years out of date. Maybe also try the
publisher St Martin's Press, New York.

Regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Danuta Zwierciadlowski
<danuta.zwier@...> wrote:

Greetings to the list,

I'm trying to find information about Dr Keith Sword, scholar and author of
Deportation and Exile Poles in Exile 1939-1948. I'm also trying to get my
hands on this book, and now am going to order it through ABEBooks.

I would love to hear any comments from those of you who may have read this
book or have any biographical information on Dr Sword. All I have been able
to find in my short time Googling around this morning is that he was in the
Slavonic and Eastern European Studies. University of London.

Best,
Danuta Zwierciadlowski

Bowen Island, British Columbia



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Re: Keith Sword

 

Dear Danuta, I have just recently read this book - which is excellent and contains much historical detail that I have not read elsewhere.

The book only says that Keith Sword was at the School of Slavonic and East European Studies, as you say, University of London. Perhaps they can help to track him down if he is not still there. My copy was published in 1994 so almost 20 years out of date. Maybe also try the publisher St Martin's Press, New York.

Regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Danuta Zwierciadlowski <danuta.zwier@...> wrote:

Greetings to the list,

I'm trying to find information about Dr Keith Sword, scholar and author of
Deportation and Exile Poles in Exile 1939-1948. I'm also trying to get my
hands on this book, and now am going to order it through ABEBooks.

I would love to hear any comments from those of you who may have read this
book or have any biographical information on Dr Sword. All I have been able
to find in my short time Googling around this morning is that he was in the
Slavonic and Eastern European Studies. University of London.

Best,
Danuta Zwierciadlowski

Bowen Island, British Columbia