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Re: Kazakhstan Deportations
Stan,
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Thanks for the work you are doing. I didn't reply because my family were not deported to Akmolinsk, but i wish to correct a slip by Mark which appears to say that they were living in Przemysl. Urszula Muskus and her children Zbigniew and Grazyna lived in Rawa Ruska where they were arrested and started their train journey on 13th Apr. 1940. Thirteen days later they alighted at Alga, south of Aktyubinsk and were sent to Tok-Man-Say kolkhoz. Urszula's account is very detailed, but i assume that there must be small errors to her memory when writing over 20 years after the events. I love this recent review on Amazon by Peri. 'It isn't that often that you can describe a book with such a shocking subject matter as wonderful but that is what this book is. Strangely poetic and moving, the sparse prose sometimes shocks more than any detailed graphic description would. It feels honest and real and at times it took my breath away at the suffering and injustice of it all. Read it.' Best wishes Peter I had believed Przemysl was invaded and the fun started Sept 29 but if you look at Ursula Muskus account, her husband wasnt arrested until January so thing remain hazy. |
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Kazakhstan Deportations
Thanks Anna and Stan.
I believe that Bronislawa, duaghter Marta (2) and son Ryszard (15) were deported Aril 13th but I cant prove that date yet.
From Sikorski's I have a list showing #12483, they were in fact deported to:
"Juz. Kazachst. obl. Suzakski
rej. kolchoz Czulak-Kurgan"
I have more:
- Selo Nowo Aleksiejewka, Kustanskaja Obl. (Kostenay province in Northern Kazahk.
Her husband Franciszek was murdered between March-May, Ukraine list.
I surmise that when the NKWD planned the executions, they simultaneously organized their deportations with the other victims families to begin April 1st, and I see train lists for Apr 1, 10, 13.
I havent gotten far detailing things.
I had believed Przemysl was invaded and the fun started Sept 29 but if you look at Ursula Muskus account, her husband wasnt arrested until January so thing remain hazy.
They had been living in Przemysl, but dont know which train station they started at.
Bronislawa ended in a work camp, her daughter was taken to an orphanage because they wouldnt renounce Poland, and ryszard eventually made it to Anders army. Bronislawa survived, found her daugther and returned to Poland 1946.
I have a cold trail for details between the locations they got to.
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Mark T.
Canada From: annapacewicz
To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:39:44 PM Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Kazakhstan Deportations ?
Dear group, Stan in Moscow has produced the first table for the Akmolinsk region deportations of April 13th 1940 to Kazakhstan. A huge amount of work has gone into this. It lists the individual settlements, villages, kolkhozes etc in Akmolinsk with details of the deportees (from www.tadeuszromer.com - the list of only a few thousand compiled the Polish Ambassador in Tokyo). There are also google map co-ordinates. We would like to populate this so if you/your family were deported to Akmolinsk please inform Stan or I and we can keep this table updated. It was produced in word but for the purposes of KSVM I have uploaded it ias a PDF file. The file was too large to post directly to the yahoo group. I have created a collection in Hall of Memories called "Deportations to Kazakhstan". This first table that Stan has done is in Russian. I have done a very basic microsoft word translation to English and uploaded this also. If there are any English/Russian linguists who can help to tidy up the translation I would be very grateful. This is the first region in the series. I will be working on a similar table for the Petropavlovsk region of Kazakhstan and we hope to complete all of the regions. Again, so that we can populate these tables above and beyond the only few thousand from the embassy list in Japan please provide Stan/me with details of your/family's Kazakhstan exile. Best regards Anna Pacewicz Sydney (and Stan Z in Moscow) |
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Kazakhstan Deportations
From: ed Bator
To: "Kresy-Siberia@..." <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Kazakhstan Deportations
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Dear Aniu. ? Bator family was deported to Kazakhstan in June (?) 1941 from Janowa Dolina , pow. Kostopol, Wolyn. Father Jozef, mother Rozalia, younger children: Mieczyslaw, Halina , Stanislaw and Edward. I do not remember exact address, but the part of it was: Juzny Kazakhstan, Pahtaralski Rejon or Oblast, Invalidnaja.? The sovhoz (government farm) was called "Kauczuk". I recall?the "grownups" talk that "we are about 100 kilometers from Tashkent (Uzbekistan).? ? Older children of our family were: Jan-murdered in Starobielsk.? Stefan sentenced for 5 yrs.?to hard labor.
Served with gen. Anders in 3rd DSK. Maria married in 1940, was considered separate family and was not deported. Survivd Ukrainian?murderers in1943. ? This is all?I can recall pertaining the named location.? I do remember the physical area?with high mountains to the East 30 + - km., capped with snow.? About 5km from us towards mountains was a failed (dry) canal?50 + - m. wide and 10 + - m. deep.? Local people claimed that this?canal was?build ?to connect big lake?with ?. There was a network of irrigation canals for cotton and caoutchouc (crud rubber) fields. ? We all survived USSR?, except mother who died on the way to
Persia.. ? I was 8 yrs old then. ? Ed (s.j.) NC USA From: annapacewicz To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Kazakhstan Deportations
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Dear group, Stan in Moscow has produced the first table for the Akmolinsk region deportations of April 13th 1940 to Kazakhstan. A huge amount of work has gone into this. It lists the individual settlements, villages, kolkhozes etc in Akmolinsk with details of the deportees (from www.tadeuszromer.com - the list of only a few thousand compiled the Polish Ambassador in Tokyo). There are also google map co-ordinates.
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Kazakhstan Deportations
Dear Aniu. ? Bator family was deported to Kazakhstan in June (?) 1941 from Janowa Dolina , pow. Kostopol, Wolyn. Father Jozef, mother Rozalia, younger children: Mieczyslaw, Halina , Stanislaw and Edward. I do not remember exact address, but the part of it was: Juzny Kazakhstan, Pahtaralski Rejon or Oblast, Invalidnaja.? The sovhoz (government farm) was called "Kauczuk". I recall?the "grownups" talk that "we are about 100 kilometers from Tashkent (Uzbekistan).? ? Older children of our family were: Jan-murdered in Starobielsk.? Stefan sentenced for 5 yrs.?to hard labor.
Served with gen. Anders in 3rd DSK. Maria married in 1940, was considered separate family and was not deported. Survivd Ukrainian?murderers in1943. ? This is all?I can recall pertaining the named location.? I do remember the physical area?with high mountains to the East 30 + - km., capped with snow.? About 5km from us towards mountains was a failed (dry) canal?50 + - m. wide and 10 + - m. deep.? Local people claimed that this?canal was?build ?to connect big lake?with ?. There was a network of irrigation canals for cotton and caoutchouc (crud rubber) fields. ? We all survived USSR?, except mother who died on the way to
Persia.. ? I was 8 yrs old then. ? Ed (s.j.) NC USA From: annapacewicz
To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Kazakhstan Deportations
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Dear group, Stan in Moscow has produced the first table for the Akmolinsk region deportations of April 13th 1940 to Kazakhstan. A huge amount of work has gone into this. It lists the individual settlements, villages, kolkhozes etc in Akmolinsk with details of the deportees (from www.tadeuszromer.com - the list of only a few thousand compiled the Polish Ambassador in Tokyo). There are also google map co-ordinates.
We would like to populate this so if you/your family were deported to Akmolinsk please inform Stan or I and we can keep this table updated. It was produced in word but for the purposes of KSVM I have uploaded it ias a PDF file. The file was too large to post directly to the yahoo group. I have created a collection in Hall of Memories called "Deportations to Kazakhstan". This first table that Stan has done is in Russian. I have done a very basic microsoft word translation to English and uploaded this also. If there are any English/Russian linguists who can help to tidy up the translation I would be very grateful. This is the first region in the series. I will be working on a similar table for the Petropavlovsk region of Kazakhstan and we hope to complete all of the regions. Again, so that we can populate these tables above and beyond the only few thousand from the embassy list in Japan please provide Stan/me with details of your/family's Kazakhstan exile. Best regards Anna Pacewicz Sydney (and Stan Z in Moscow) |
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Re: Gratitude
Lena
Dearest member R..
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your words so eloquently describe the amazingly wonderful work of our devoted members who volunteer their time and resources and your deep gratitude is shared by me and i am sure, all other members. warm regards Lenarda, Sydney, Australia --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "rjarosh007@..." <rjarosh007@...> wrote:
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Kazakhstan Deportations
Dear group, Stan in Moscow has produced the first table for the Akmolinsk region deportations of April 13th 1940 to Kazakhstan. A huge amount of work has gone into this. It lists the individual settlements, villages, kolkhozes etc in Akmolinsk with details of the deportees (from www.tadeuszromer.com - the list of only a few thousand compiled the Polish Ambassador in Tokyo). There are also google map co-ordinates.
We would like to populate this so if you/your family were deported to Akmolinsk please inform Stan or I and we can keep this table updated. It was produced in word but for the purposes of KSVM I have uploaded it ias a PDF file. The file was too large to post directly to the yahoo group. I have created a collection in Hall of Memories called "Deportations to Kazakhstan". This first table that Stan has done is in Russian. I have done a very basic microsoft word translation to English and uploaded this also. If there are any English/Russian linguists who can help to tidy up the translation I would be very grateful. This is the first region in the series. I will be working on a similar table for the Petropavlovsk region of Kazakhstan and we hope to complete all of the regions. Again, so that we can populate these tables above and beyond the only few thousand from the embassy list in Japan please provide Stan/me with details of your/family's Kazakhstan exile. Best regards Anna Pacewicz Sydney (and Stan Z in Moscow) |
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] KSVM back on line
Absolutely, I second that. Best wishes to all concerned.
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Barbara, London UK?
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Barbara Alison
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From: Lenarda Szymczak
To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 22:49 Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] KSVM back on line ?
Flowers, chocolates, vodka and a good nights¡¯ sleep.? For all the team involved in restoring our beloved KS and keeping it operational, All your hard work is greatly appreciated in keeping our precious memories, history alive, thank you so much, well done,? KS would not function, operate without you.
Warmest regards
Lenarda, Sydney, Australia
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From: Kresy-Siberia@... [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...] On Behalf Of Eva Sent: Friday, 10 May, 2013 9:11 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] KSVM back on line ?
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Dear Group, I am pleased to inform you that the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum is back on line. Best regards. Eva Szegidewicz Director, Kresy-Siberia (UK) |
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off topic - loyalty
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIsn¡¯t it amazing, that when life gets tough and the enemy hacks at our core, we only get closer and more supportive of each other and those with special skills volunteer and with all hands on deck, the job is done, to assist everyone.? ?We never give up.? This is the true Polish/Slavic Spirit. Lenarda, Australia |
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] KSVM back on line
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFlowers, chocolates, vodka and a good nights¡¯ sleep.? For all the team involved in restoring our beloved KS and keeping it operational, All your hard work is greatly appreciated in keeping our precious memories, history alive, thank you so much, well done,? KS would not function, operate without you. Warmest regards Lenarda, Sydney, Australia ? ? From: Kresy-Siberia@... [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...] On Behalf Of Eva
Sent: Friday, 10 May, 2013 9:11 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] KSVM back on line ? ? Dear Group, |
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Gratitude
Dear group,
I am not an active posting participant but I often read the messages on this board and glean new information frequently. With the recent technical troubles on the KS site, I am reminded again of how many of you devote precious resources to keeping our shared history alive through the site, through this group, and through your individual efforts, and I want to express my deep gratitude. Warm regards, R Jarosh |
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KS Facebook excellent for keeping in touch with updates.
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDear Group, until KVSM is back on line and fully operational, we can still talk with each other and - Facebook Page? is an excellent way to stay updated with KS Events and activities. Krystyna, I do not envy your job right now and appreciate all the work you are putting in to get us fully operational again. Kind regards Lenarda, Australia |
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Re: Applebaum Interview
Dear group, this is an extremely interesting interview and an illuminating insight into how the "Eastern bloc" was sovietized at the ground level up. Excellent interviewer too.
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Kind regards Anna Pacewicz Sydney --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Stefan Wisniowski <stefan.wisniowski@...> wrote:
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Virtual Museum outage
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe first signs of life in KS, hello Barbara, ?seeing a blank screen from KS for the past two days is very disheartening, Krystyna, can we still talk with each other but not use KSVM? Kind regards Lenarda, Australia ? ? From: Kresy-Siberia@... [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...] On Behalf Of Barbara Alison
Sent: Friday, 10 May, 2013 6:42 AM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Virtual Museum outage ? ? Hi Krystyna ? I presume there are still problems with the VM website.? Hope it's not too serious.? I'm missing all the interesting information that has been coming my way about Polish history, which I didn't know before.? Good luck and hope it will be up and running soon.?? ? Best regards ? Barbara Ryszkowska, London UK ? Barbara Alison Songwriter Website: Web Page: ? ? From: "kms0902@..." <kms0902@...> ? Sorry folks,? the Virtual Museum is still experiencing technical difficulties, and our IT team is going through some very detailed and complex steps to get everything back online as soon as possible.? They have determined that this is the work of a hacker. ? Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada ? From: Krystyna Szypowska Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: Virtual Museum currently off-line ? Dear Group, ? Please note that the Virtual Museum site ( ) is currently experiencing technical difficulties.? Our IT group is working to resolve this as quickly as possible. Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada ? |
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Virtual Museum outage
Hi Krystyna
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I presume there are still problems with the VM website.? Hope it's not too serious.? I'm missing all the interesting information that has been coming my way about Polish history, which I didn't know before.? Good luck and hope it will be up and running soon.??
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Best regards
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Barbara Ryszkowska, London UK
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Barbara Alison
Songwriter
Website:
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From: "kms0902@..."
To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 18:04 Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Virtual Museum outage ?
Sorry folks,? the Virtual Museum is still experiencing technical difficulties, and our IT team is going through some very detailed and complex steps to get everything back online as soon as possible.? They have determined that this is the work of a hacker.
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Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada
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From: Krystyna Szypowska
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:45 PM
Subject: Virtual Museum currently off-line ? Dear Group,
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Please note that the Virtual Museum site ( ) is currently experiencing technical difficulties.? Our IT group is working to resolve this as quickly as possible.
Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada ? |
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Virtual Museum outage
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSorry folks,? the Virtual Museum is still experiencing technical
difficulties, and our IT team is going through some very detailed and complex
steps to get everything back online as soon as possible.? They have
determined that this is the work of a hacker.
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Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg,
Canada
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From: Krystyna Szypowska
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:45 PM
Subject: Virtual Museum currently off-line ? Dear Group,
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Please note that the Virtual Museum site ( ) is currently
experiencing technical difficulties.? Our IT group is working to resolve
this as quickly as possible.
Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada ? |
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Katyn Bykownia Website
Thanks Anna, Peter. Just took a quick look in translated version.
Are any of those documents new??Are they translated anywhere?
?I see the victim list seems to be from 1937.
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Mark T. - grandson of 2 policemen alleged to there; Franciszek and his cousin Jan Turkiewicz
Canada From: annapacewicz
To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:47:48 AM Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Katyn Bykownia Website ?
Dear all, Many thanks to Peter Muskus for finding this Katyn Bykownia Virtual Museum. www.bykownia.eu/ Kind regards Anna Pacewicz Sydney |
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Virtual Museum back online
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOur IT folk have worked wonders, and have restored service to the Virtual
Museum.
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Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada
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? From: Krystyna Szypowska
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:45 PM
Subject: Virtual Museum currently off-line ?
Dear Group,
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Please note that the Virtual Museum site ( ) is currently
experiencing technical difficulties.? Our IT group is working to resolve
this as quickly as possible.
Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada ? |
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