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Several things curious just happened this morning on the group I am co-owner of. Looking into the first uncovered the second and that seems to be uncovering a third and so on.
1. First I got a private email from a member asking me where I took a certain photo that was in the archives that were transferred over a couple days ago from Y!G. I didn't take the photo, but it was clearly credited to me. Upon research, I found that a bunch of hashtags had been created, all of which led to photo albums. In EVERY album, EVERY photo is credited to me. How?
2. In looking to see who created the hashtags, I see only two 'created' hashtags', yet there are half-dozen or more in the photos section of our group. In clicking on the hashtag 'created' by a trusted member of the group (who I know would not create hashtags) it took me to a post that he sent 14 years ago. Why? (Update: as I was composing this, I noticed that in that particular instance, there was a hashtag in the subject line of the message, which leads to No. 3.)
3. In looking at other activity, I see that we have also gotten many hundreds of emails just in the past few minutes that were sent from years past. They show up in the activity log but are apparently not being sent out as new messages via email. This includes quite a few emails from the former owner, who has passed away (which is what caught my eye). Thankfully. Is this is just cleaning up the transfer process, picking up loose ends, as it were?
4. In the past 20 minutes, the activity log showed that 60+ of our ~1100 members changed their display name via email. Some of those members haven't been heard from in years. And 60 of them all decided to change their display name simultaneously? Really?
Is all of this things that we should add to our learning curve of how Groups.io works? Or are any of these things that should be reported as bugs?
Dave
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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:57 AM, David Grimm <engrdave325@...> wrote:
Several things curious just happened this morning on the group I am co-owner of. Looking into the first uncovered the second and that seems to be uncovering a third and so on.
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Shal,
So many things all at once, I got a little mixed up.?Upon further research, no hashtags take me to the photo albums.?
But, also upon further research, it's only one album that has all 16 photos attributed to me. I have never uploaded a photo to either Y!G or Grio. I have never created a photo album. We did not transfer anything before transfer.io did. Is it possible that the photos were linked to messages that were from one of the 23 member addresses that were transferred and are bouncing, so they get attributed to one of the co-owners?
As far as the hashtag issue, the hashtag I mentioned has one email associated. It has a hashtag in the subject line. The two ways to get to the post was either through the hashtag menu or the member activity menu. So now that I think I know how some of these hashtag categories were set up, is it possible and how to remove them. They aren't necessary and only clutter things up. I know I can restrict members from creating hashtags, which would stop new ones from inadvertently being created, but that would also stop intentional hashtag creations, which isn't something we want to do.
Yes, the email postings showed this mornings date and time as to the time of posting, but the content showed the original posting date. My point is that our transfer was 3 days ago and they are just showing up now. Is that normal as to cleaning up loose ends?
Likewise, I find it hard to believe that 3 days after the transfer, suddenly 63 members decided to update their Display Name within 20 minutes. Especially since some of them haven't been heard from in years. I understand the unsubscribing members that forgot they even were in the group, etc. but the mass updating threw me for a loop. Once again, is this normal or a bug?
Thanks. And thanks for your suggestion last week about looking into why the transfer was taking so long. It turned out to be something we could fix (photo size) and the transfer happened before the end of the second business day after we made the change.
Dave
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They're not updating their display name. Groups.io harvests the name in their email (if they have sent any email) and plops it into their display name if the display name was blank before.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:15 PM, David Grimm <engrdave325@...> wrote: Shal,
So many things all at once, I got a little mixed up.?Upon further research, no hashtags take me to the photo albums.?
But, also upon further research, it's only one album that has all 16 photos attributed to me. I have never uploaded a photo to either Y!G or Grio. I have never created a photo album. We did not transfer anything before did. Is it possible that the photos were linked to messages that were from one of the 23 member addresses that were transferred and are bouncing, so they get attributed to one of the co-owners?
As far as the hashtag issue, the hashtag I mentioned has one email associated. It has a hashtag in the subject line. The two ways to get to the post was either through the hashtag menu or the member activity menu. So now that I think I know how some of these hashtag categories were set up, is it possible and how to remove them. They aren't necessary and only clutter things up. I know I can restrict members from creating hashtags, which would stop new ones from inadvertently being created, but that would also stop intentional hashtag creations, which isn't something we want to do.
Yes, the email postings showed this mornings date and time as to the time of posting, but the content showed the original posting date. My point is that our transfer was 3 days ago and they are just showing up now. Is that normal as to cleaning up loose ends?
Likewise, I find it hard to believe that 3 days after the transfer, suddenly 63 members decided to update their Display Name within 20 minutes. Especially since some of them haven't been heard from in years. I understand the unsubscribing members that forgot they even were in the group, etc. but the mass updating threw me for a loop. Once again, is this normal or a bug?
Thanks. And thanks for your suggestion last week about looking into why the transfer was taking so long. It turned out to be something we could fix (photo size) and the transfer happened before the end of the second business day after we made the change.
Dave
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They're not updating their display name. Groups.io harvests the name in their email (if they have sent any email) and plops it into their display name if the display name was blank before.
Do you mean from any email they sent, or just to the group? Because I don't see where any of them sent anything to the group.
Dave
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Any email they sent to . I don't know what emails they might have sent right after the transfer, but for example, it even harvests the name from emails sent to the group owner address.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:57 PM, David Grimm <engrdave325@...> wrote: They're not updating their display name. Groups.io harvests the name in their email (if they have sent any email) and plops it into their display name if the display name was blank before.
Do you mean from any email they sent, or just to the group? Because I don't see where any of them sent anything to the group.
Dave
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Figured out the answer -- to all my questions. The group is still transferring 18 years of posts, which is allowing lots of photos, files, display settings, etc., to get linked to their proper members. The latest post in the activity log ias number 113554, and it's dated April, '14, so we've got a ways to go. We thought the transfer was complete 3 days ago and it's not.
Thanks for all the input on this. Got me thinking in the right direction.
Dave
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Dave -
Just a comment regarding messages with hashtags. When I transferred over my largest group I found a number of messages with hashtags. That group had never used hashtags. BUT there were several members who used the number sign in subject lines such as "Old #9", which groups.io interpreted as hashtags. Note that hashtags go at the end of a subject so the subject lines were also garbled. I searched for them and found probably a dozen messages with the problem. I was able to edit the subject line to change "#" to "no.", "number" or similar and the problem went away along with making those subject lines comprehensible again. I just toss this out as experience for others who may run into this.
Dano
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Figured out the answer -- to all my questions. The group is still transferring 18 years of posts, which is allowing lots of photos, files, display settings, etc., to get linked to their proper members. The latest post in the activity log ias number 113554, and it's dated April, '14, so we've got a ways to go. We thought the transfer was complete 3 days ago and it's not.
Dave
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"Just a comment regarding messages with hashtags."
Someday people will not know how to use the Hash sign as it was universally intended to be used, at least the way it was used in North America and other parts of the world.
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Maybe in North America, but until the internet became widespread I knew it only
as a sharp sign in music notation. The standard abbreviation for number this
side of the pond was, and still is "no."
Jim Fisher
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On 3 Mar 2018 at 9:05, Don wrote: "Just a comment regarding messages with hashtags."
Someday people will not know how to use the Hash sign as it was universally
intended to be used, at least the way it was used in North America and other
parts of the world.
Don
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Jim, Maybe in North America, but until the internet became widespread I
knew it only as a sharp sign in music notation. Actually, the sharp sign is a different character, ? versus #. The octothorp has a long and storied history: Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Then there is always the pound sign used at least in the U.S. to indicate weight like 10# (lb.), and we can't forget about the # key on a phone, which is always referred to as the pound key.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 2:41 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] What's going on here? Jim, > Maybe in North America, but until the internet became widespread I > knew it only as a sharp sign in music notation. Actually, the sharp sign is a different character, ? versus #. The octothorp has a long and storied history: Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Again, those usages are unknown this side of the Atlantic. Pound weight is always lb, pound currency is ? (and that is what is meant by the words "pound sign") and on a phone the # sign is called hash (It didn't exist on old phones with a rotating dial). Jim On 3 Mar 2018 at 15:01, Don wrote: Then there is always the pound sign used at least in the U.S. to indicate weight
like 10# (lb.), and we can't forget about the # key on a phone, which is always
referred to as the pound key.
Don
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Shal, Jim,
> Maybe in North America, but until the internet became widespread I
> knew it only as a sharp sign in music notation.
Actually, the sharp sign is a different character, versus #.
The octothorp has a long and storied history:
Shal Yes, OK. I can't see the sharp sign symbol in your message, just the dreaded square box, but following your link shows it. I hadn't noticed that slight difference (just rotated a few degrees). In that case, prior to internet use, I hadn't come across it at all. The use of C# (pronounced "see sharp") to name the programming language just adds to that confusion. I must remember to use the appropriate numeric code if I ever want to use a sharp sign in HTML! Jim -- - My thoughts on freedom (needs updating) - political snippets, especially economic policy - misc. snippets, some political, some not Forget Google! I search with which doesn't spy on you
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Jim, Yes, OK. I can't see the sharp sign symbol in your message, just the
dreaded square box, but following your link shows it. Hmm... The square box implies to me that your email interface recognized that it was a Unicode character, but didn't have that character available in the font used for displaying the message. Possibly you could see it if you can switch display fonts? If your interface couldn't handle Unicode at all you would, I think, have been shown a sequence of three upper-rank characters. I can say that because I relatively recently switched from Eudora Classic, which did not support Unicode. The use of C# (pronounced "see sharp") to name the programming
language just adds to that confusion. Yup. I'm sure someone initially thought it an immensely clever play on the 'C' programming language - but it introduced a lot of confusion owing to the world not being entirely ready for Unicode, and particularly not in programming languages that want to be portable. I must remember to use the appropriate numeric code if I ever want to
use a sharp sign in HTML! In the Miscellaneous Symbols block, ♯ at your service. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Yup. I'm sure someone initially thought it an immensely clever play on the 'C' programming language - but it introduced a lot of confusion owing to the world not being entirely ready for Unicode, and particularly not in programming languages that want to be portable. Actually it is quite clever, and less a play on the 'C' programming than the 'C++' language. You can compose two plus characters into a hash symbol with just a little imagination, and a hash symbol looks pretty much like a sharp symbol, but C-sharp sounds much more interesting than C-hash. This is supported by the fact that Microsoft introduced a J++ language in the 90's, which was their implementation of Java with some interesting extensions, and that also led to a J# (J-sharp) around the same time as C#. I don't recall it causing much confusion, but that discussion might take us too far off topic! Richard
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Shal Hmm... The square box implies to me that your email interface recognized
that it was a Unicode character, but didn't have that character
available in the font used for displaying the message. Possibly you
could see it if you can switch display fonts? I wondered about that at the time and tried a couple of alternatives without success. I just tried searching several fonts in Windows Character Map (using the Unicode option of course) but couldn't find one that included that character. Having typed that, it occurred to me that I could look at the source of the Wikipedia page, where I found they specify Lucida Sans Unicode, which does include it. Using that for my email does show it. Problem solved! I normally read email using plain Arial, which does not include it. This message has now been typed with a mixture, so I wonder how it will come through to you (my guess is it will make no difference, sending in plain text). In the Miscellaneous Symbols block, ♯ at your service. Thanks. Never needed it on a web site yet, but who knows what the future may hold? Jim -- - My thoughts on freedom (needs updating) - political snippets, especially economic policy - misc. snippets, some political, some not Forget Google! I search with which doesn't spy on you
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Not to make an issue about these unimportant bits of trivia, but I think people's experiences with the # symbol are different depending on where they are from, and by the times they lived in.
Don
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Fisher Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 2:06 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] What's going on here? Again, those usages are unknown this side of the Atlantic. Pound weight is always lb, pound currency is ? (and that is what is meant by the words "pound sign") and on a phone the # sign is called hash (It didn't exist on old phones with a rotating dial). Jim [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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