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Hi,
A while ago I've asked quite a similar
question so at first it may look like the same, but it isn't :)
I'm trying to find out how do I can reply using the Owner email.
That is, if someone sends a message to the Owner email, they'll
expect a reply from the Owner email, not from my personal one,
isn't it?
Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer
with something different than my own email. So is there a way of
doing it?
I'm ok with it even if it has to be done through the web
interface, and I have a feeling that we have such possibility.
Trouble is, I can't remember where I would go to see these
messages.
As always, thanks for any and all help.
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 01:35 PM, Marcio wrote:
I'm ok with it even if it has to be done through the web interface, and I have a feeling that we have such possibility. Trouble is, I can't remember where I would go to see these messages.
Yes; use the web U/I. If a member sends a message to the Owner then both the fact of the message and the message itself can be found via the Activity Log. Having found the relevant entry and opened the message then there is a blue Reply button below it, and that will open the composition box. The option of replying as the Owner or as "yourself" is available via a drop - down. Chris
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Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer
with something different than my own email. So is there a way of
doing it?
What Chris said about using the activity log entry is only true of +owner messages from members. Those from non-members are logged, but without a stored copy of the message that you could reply to.
What I often do is reply from Thunderbird using my own email address, but set a "Reply-To" field with the group's +owner address. You can do that in the same way you add a CC or BCC address.
Depending on your email service, you may be able to create an "account" within your email address which has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that address - they'll send a confirmation email to it. That could startle your co-owners/mods, so you might want to warn them if you attempt this.
I've stopped using this technique though because it is technically "spoofing" (even if legitimately done) and many email services are getting very touchy about displaying or even delivering spoofed messages to their users. So while this worked perfectly in a less paranoid world, it may not work so well now. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Gmail or Yahoo still allows you to set up such a spoof.
Shal
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You may be right there, Shal.?? I tried altering the From address on a reply I sent to Marcio.? Thunderbird allowed me to do it, but it doesn't seem to have arrived.? It is spoofing after all.? However I have done it successfully using a different address known to Thunderbird and that has gone through OK.? So your suggestion of setting up an account with Thunderbird in the name of group+owner seems like a good idea that should work.
Peter
On 08/08/2019 16:12, Shal Farley wrote:
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Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. So is there a way of doing it?
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What Chris said about using the activity log entry is only true of +owner messages from members. Those from non-members are logged, but without a stored copy of the message that you could reply to.
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What I often do is reply from Thunderbird using my own email address, but set a "Reply-To" field with the group's +owner address. You can do that in the same way you add a CC or BCC address.
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Depending on your email service, you may be able to create an "account" within your email address which has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that address - they'll send a confirmation email to it. That could startle your co-owners/mods, so you might want to warn them if you attempt this.
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I've stopped using this technique though because it is technically "spoofing" (even if legitimately done) and many email services are getting very touchy about displaying or even delivering spoofed messages to their users. So while this worked perfectly in a less paranoid world, it may not work so well now. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Gmail or Yahoo still allows you to set up such a spoof.
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On 8/8/2019 8:23 AM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote: Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. Thunderbird can handle multiple different email accounts. If you have more than one account set up, when composing a reply there's a dropdown in the From field in the compose window and there you can choose any of your accounts. -- Bill
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Marcio,
Technically spoofing I know, but I have done what I think you are trying to do in Thunderbird going out through btinternet.com.?
Using a private group I set up for testing things, I sent a test message which came back to my inbox.? I Replyed to that but changed the From address to <mygroup>+owner and it arrived in my inbox as though from the owner.??
I think that achieves what you want.
Peter
On 08/08/2019 16:12, Shal Farley wrote:
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Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. So is there a way of doing it?
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What Chris said about using the activity log entry is only true of +owner messages from members. Those from non-members are logged, but without a stored copy of the message that you could reply to.
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What I often do is reply from Thunderbird using my own email address, but set a "Reply-To" field with the group's +owner address. You can do that in the same way you add a CC or BCC address.
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Depending on your email service, you may be able to create an "account" within your email address which has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that address - they'll send a confirmation email to it. That could startle your co-owners/mods, so you might want to warn them if you attempt this.
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I've stopped using this technique though because it is technically "spoofing" (even if legitimately done) and many email services are getting very touchy about displaying or even delivering spoofed messages to their users. So while this worked perfectly in a less paranoid world, it may not work so well now. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Gmail or Yahoo still allows you to set up such a spoof.
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Shal
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Peter . . . On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 20:57:29 +0000, "P H LLOYD via Groups.Io" <lx.lloyd@...> wrote: Technically spoofing I know, but I have done what I think you are trying to do in Thunderbird going out through btinternet.com.
Using a private group I set up for testing things, I sent a test message which came back to my inbox. I Replyed to that but changed the From address to <mygroup>+owner and it arrived in my inbox as though from the owner. I can do that myself (spoof an email address) but only with my ISP email. I tried it with some webmail accounts and it didn't work for me. I was able to successfully spoof the email address of a moderator in one of my Yahoo groups (which moved to here since then). It appeared to come from him. (It was done with his knowledge.) Donald AD8DY ---------------------------------------------------- Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion group on Groups.io: /g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly) **also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health: /g/CatVet (just launched)
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So your suggestion of setting up an account with Thunderbird in the name of group+owner seems like a good idea that should work.
The kind of "account" I'm referring to is something you set up on the Accounts and Import tab of the options page of Gmail's web interface. There's a Send mail as field where you can add more addresses. It doesn't create a new email address or inbox, just an ability to use that address when sending messages via Gmail's server. It has been too long since I've done it, I don't recall if or how it coordinates with Thunderbird.
In Yahoo Mail it is in the Mailboxes tab of the More Settings page, under Send-only email address. I have one setup there as the +owner address of , which I think I've used in the past year. But
I only use that Yahoo Mail account for testing purposes and
I don't have it set up in Thunderbird.
Shal
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I can do that myself (spoof an email address) but only with my ISP
email. I tried it with some webmail accounts and it didn't work for
me.
Using a Thunderbird account, with the SMTP settings matching my normal email address (and the POP/IMAP settings blank, and all checking turned off) is a technique I used to use when Verizon was my ISP. They'd let me spoof any From address except another Verizon address (those they'd reject back to me). Ah, simpler times.
These days I think it is very much a Your Mileage May Vary situation, depending on the policies of your email service as to whether they'll let you use a From address other than the one assigned to your account. And of course, as I mentioned in my reply to Marcio, depending on the policies of the receiving email service with regard to delivery of spoofed messages.
Clearly using Groups.io's web interface is the better option, if you can (that is, if the message you're replying to was from a member).?
Shal
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Hi,
I'm going to address more than one answer on this email so it will
be a bit long.
Shal,
Depending on your email service, you may
be able to create an "account" within your email address which
has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail
you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that
address - they'll send a confirmation email to it.
How would I go about setting up that account?
I know it's possible to have more than one identity, which seems
to be what Bill talked about here:
Thunderbird can handle multiple different
email accounts. If you have more than one account set up, when
composing a reply there's a dropdown in the From field in the
compose window and there you can choose any of your accounts.?
But when I try to set up a different one from my own email, for
example, the message won't be sent no matter what I do :(
Is this what you are talking about?
Peter wrote:
However I have done it successfully using
a different address known to Thunderbird and that has gone
through OK.
What would be an address "known to Thunderbird"?
I have two accounts configured. Would I then be able to send a
message through my Yahoo account simulating the other account that
I have? If so, that's nice, but I'll never be able to use the
+owner address using this technique unless I make it known to
Thunderbird. And how can I make a "virtual address" to be known to
Thunderbird? :(
Peter wrote:
Technically spoofing I know, but I have
done what I think you are trying to do in Thunderbird going out
through btinternet.com. ?
Donald wrote in reply:
I can do that myself (spoof an email
address) but only with my ISP
email. I tried it with some webmail accounts and it didn't work
for
me.?
Apparently, these days it doesn't work for most of the email
providers. As far as I could see Yahoo is one of them, but I'm
trying to find out if I missed some step before trying it again.
Shal,
The kind of "account" I'm referring to is
something you set up on the Accounts and Import tab of the
options page of Gmail's web interface. There's a Send mail as
field where you can add more addresses. It doesn't create a new
email address or inbox, just an ability to use that address when
sending messages via Gmail's server.
In Yahoo Mail it is in the Mailboxes tab
of the More Settings page, under Send-only email address.?
Hmmm, I guess that's what I'm missing. I've never set up this
option on my Yahoo email. Maybe this is why the message isn't
being sent when I try changing the "from" field?
Well, I guess I've covered all the answers given so far. And maybe
it's not on?? topic for this list anymore (sorry if it's the case,
I've only realised it now). Is there another place where we can
talk about it, that is, if you guys are interested, without
perhaps cluttering up the list with something that may not be of
interested for everyone?
Thanks for the time taken to help me. It's much appreciated.
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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How would I go about setting up that account?
You quoted the answer below.
Thunderbird can handle multiple different email accounts. If you have more than one account set up, when composing a reply there's a dropdown in the From field in the compose window and there you can choose any of your accounts.?
But when I try to set up a different one from my own email, for example, the message won't be sent no matter what I do :( Is this what you are talking about?
That wasn't me, but in Thunderbird each account you use for sending must be linked to one of your valid SMTP configurations. In the first page of the Account's settings you can set the Email Address, and at the bottom the Outgoing Server (SMTP). In that drop-list pick the outgoing service you wish to use (typically the one for your primary email address).
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On the Server Settings page for that account uncheck every form of checking for new messages, and you can leave the POP or IMAP server information blank - as there is no server from which you can retrieve +owner messages.
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Having done this success is not guaranteed. Your chosen outgoing service may reject messages you send with an alternate From address; and the destination service may reject messages that use this kind of spoofing.
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In Yahoo Mail it is in the Mailboxes tab of the More Settings page, under Send-only email address.
Hmmm, I guess that's what I'm missing. I've never set up this option on my Yahoo email. Maybe this is why the message isn't being sent when I try changing the "from" field?
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Setting up the spoof on the server side (in Yahoo Mail's options) is similar conceptually to what I described for Thunderbird, but it controls a drop-list for the From field in Y!Mail's web interface. I don't know if that relates in any way to using it from Thunderbird. Maybe it acts as an enable for a spoof done in Thunderbird, or maybe Yahoo Mail flat out rejects any spoof submitted through SMTP (Thunderbird).
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Well, I guess I've covered all the answers given so far. And maybe it's not on topic for this list anymore ...
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I think we're still on topic. Being able to send messages from the group's +owner address is frequently desired by group mods/owners, and this is as good a place as any to discuss ways of doing it and the pros and cons of the various methods.
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Is there another place where we can talk about it, that is, if you guys are interested, without perhaps cluttering up the list with something that may not be of interested for everyone?
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Anyone who has lost interest can always use the Mute This Topic link in the footer. ? ;-)
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What did I mean by "known to Thunderbird"?? If you go to the top of the window in which you write an email in Thunderbird you will see? From:? and your email address.? If you click on the address Thunderbird will open a drop-down showing all your email addresses.? That is the list I was referring to.? In my case at the bottom of the drop-down is Customise From Address which allows you to write in any address you like.? Whether your ISP will allow you to do it is another matter; btinternet allowed me to.
It looks as though groups.io will accept an email when the from address has been altered;? I don't know how it determines that the message is from a member.
An alternative you might be able to use is to change the Reply-To address.? This is easily done by clicking below where it says To: just below From and choosing Reply-To from the choices.
HTH.
Peter
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On 09/08/2019 14:41, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Peter wrote:
However I have done it successfully using a different address known to Thunderbird and that has gone through OK.
What would be an address "known to Thunderbird"? I have two accounts configured. Would I then be able to send a message through my Yahoo account simulating the other account that I have? If so, that's nice, but I'll never be able to use the +owner address using this technique unless I make it known to Thunderbird. And how can I make a "virtual address" to be known to Thunderbird? :( Peter wrote:
Technically spoofing I know, but I have done what I think you are trying to do in Thunderbird going out through btinternet.com. ?
Donald wrote in reply:
I can do that myself (spoof an email address) but only with my ISP
email. I tried it with some webmail accounts and it didn't work for
me.?
Apparently, these days it doesn't work for most of the email providers. As far as I could see Yahoo is one of them, but I'm trying to find out if I missed some step before trying it again.Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Peter, In my case at the bottom of the drop-down is /Customise From Address/
which allows you to write in any address you like. Learn something new everyday; I'd not noticed that before. It looks as though groups.io will accept an email when the from
address has been altered; I don't know how it determines that the
message is from a member. Groups.io matches the exact address part of the field (the part inside the <angle brackets> if there are any). If you modify the Display Name part (to the left of the bracketed part) that wouldn't matter. I don't know about the <john+doe@...> variation, Groups.io might strip any +other part before matching to the Members list. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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