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I received a notification of a "pending member" for my Groups.io group. We are currently in the mid-migration holding pattern. What's the wisdom on how to proceed here. Should I just accept the pending subscription? Advise them to join the Yahoo Group? Or have them wait until the migration is complete.

In other data migrations I've been involved with, the concept of "freezing" activity at some point has been crucial to make sure all the data (and users) get transferred. Any thoughts on how best to approach this?

Thanks,
Terry

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 04:21 PM, <terry.h@...> wrote:

I received a notification of a "pending member" for my Groups.io group. We are currently in the mid-migration holding pattern. What's the wisdom on how to proceed here. Should I just accept the pending subscription?

Is the pending member also a member of your Yahoo group awaiting migration? If no then there is no obvious reason not to admit them. If yes then it might be preferable to send them an email saying "please wait and your membership will be transferred from Yahoo" or something of the sort.

The earth won't stop spinning if an existing Yahoo member is admitted in advance but it will upset the ownership details of their material imported into Groups.io

Chris

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:34 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

The earth won't stop spinning if an existing Yahoo member is admitted in advance but it will upset the ownership details of their material imported into Groups.io

Chris -- Do you have recent evidence that content ownership is truly lost if someone joins the GIO group early...despite using the correct Y!G email address? If that is true, Mark has stated that would be a bug in the transfer process (Ref:?), and it needs to be reported to him.

The only things I know for sure would be affected by joining early is:
1) the [vanity] join date and
2) the subsequent interleaving of message numbers.

Regards,
Bruce

I had a member join BEFORE the import. All of their messages imported correctly.... all the way back to 2003.

I would suggest moving your group while you are waiting. I would have but for the fact that we got imported before the big rush.

The vanity join date WILL be affected, however.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 07:45 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Do you have recent evidence that content ownership is truly lost if someone joins the GIO group early...despite using the correct Y!G email address?

A valid question, and one I cannot answer from recent experience. I do know for sure that when the group I moderate migrated a couple of years ago although message attributions seemed to be OK the ownership of photos and files went awry. In reality that was not a major issue. It showed up after the Owner asked moderators to sign up in advance of the import of material from Yahoo.

Chris

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 03:02 PM, Juulz wrote:

I had a member join BEFORE the import. All of their messages imported correctly.... all the way back to 2003.

My member did retain ownership of her previous messages and tested by successfully editing one as a test.

Thanks Bruce for requesting the test... I think this will help many during this stressful transfer period.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 09:30 AM, Juulz wrote:

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 03:02 PM, Juulz wrote:

I had a member join BEFORE the import. All of their messages imported correctly.... all the way back to 2003.

My member did retain ownership of her previous messages and tested by successfully editing one as a test.

Thanks Bruce for requesting the test... I think this will help many during this stressful transfer period.

Juulz,

Excellent work on actually verifying the assumption.

Having gone through that experience years ago with many groups moving from Yahoo, I know that this worked back then. Not surprised that it still works.?On the other hand, there is still a potential gotcha. As far as I know, you must use the same Yahoo account email address for your account on groups.io.

When the earlier transfers took pace, I did not want to continue using my old Yahoo.com email address, so I joined the transferred Yahoo groups on GIO using my current non-Yahoo email address and I ended up with two memberships in the groups. Ultimately, I killed off the yahoo email address subscription. But this lost my "ownership" of old posts. They still have my name in them, but I no longer "own" them. I also lost my original joining date, but I am willing to live with that.

At that time, merging accounts was more or less a manual process. It has been automated since, so there may be a process whereby one can merge accounts and not have this happen, but I have not figured it out.
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Gerald

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 03:59 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

On the other hand, there is still a potential gotcha. As far as I know, you must use the same Yahoo account email address for your account on groups.io.

I have wondered about this and the possible implications in a sort of detached way.

Let us consider a hypothetical person who is currently the member of a Yahoo group that is being migrated to Groups.io. That person will (obviously) have an email address associated with that Yahoo group.

However, the same person may already have a Groups.io Account covering other Groups.io groups. and might have a different email address as the account identifier. The migration process will not realise that the two people are in fact one and the same and will set about creating another account using the email address imported from Yahoo.

I know the resultant muddle is not insoluble but I can well envisage quite a few confused people trying to work out what has happened.

Chris