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Tim Morris All Messages By This Member #10694 I keep getting messages about previous topics, but with a new 'topic' heading. ?How can I move them into the appropriate topic please?
Gerald Boutin #10695 On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 06:31 AM, Tim Morris wrote: I keep getting messages about previous topics, but with a new 'topic' heading. ?How can I move them into the appropriate topic please? Tim, Take a look at the sections on Split and Merge in the group Wiki. /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home ? -- Gerald
Bruce Bowman All Messages By This Member #10699 On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 08:42 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote: Take a look at the sections on Split and Merge in the group Wiki. /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home Gerald is correct; a "topic merge" functionality exists within GIO.?Keep in mind, though, that those messages have already gone out as emails. You can fix the archive but if anyone subsequently replies to any email with the "bad" subject line, it starts that topic all over again. Short of engaging in public browbeatings, the only way I've been able to merge topics without chasing my tail is by first waiting for the "bad" thread to die a natural death.? Hope this helps, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help
Don Grass All Messages By This Member #10707 开云体育 When I see a message going off topic, I usually rename the title of the off topic message. ? Don G ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GMF] Move a message into a different topic ? On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 08:42 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote: Take a look at the sections on Split and Merge in the group Wiki. /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home Gerald is correct; a "topic merge" functionality exists within GIO.?Keep in mind, though, that those messages have already gone out as emails. You can fix the archive but if anyone subsequently replies to any email with the "bad" subject line, it starts that topic all over again. Short of engaging in public browbeatings, the only way I've been able to merge topics without chasing my tail is by first waiting for the "bad" thread to die a natural death.? Hope this helps, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help
Shal Farley Member Profile All Messages By This Member #10748 Tim, I keep getting messages about previous topics, but with a new 'topic' heading. How can I move them into the appropriate topic please? That's a very common issue, on forums as well as email lists. As Gerald mentioned, there is the topic merge function in Groups.io that will allow you to gather these "strays" together. That's likely to get much easier to use as soon as Mark pushes the bulk action feature to the site - right now it is just in testing: Note, if you moderate messages in your group you can also edit a pending message's Subject line to assign it to the correct topic before it posts. When doing this I find it helps to copy/paste the subject from the existing topic - the match must be exact. Catching them while they are pending can be a bit tedious, but it avoids the cascade of email replies under the obsolete subject line that Bruce mentioned. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
KWKloeber All Messages By This Member #14088 Shal I note your procedure.? But I need to move a handful of individual messages to another topic, not move all messages to another topic?? Can we do that?? CRS -- I looked at the help, in the back of my brain, under my pillow -- and can't find the means/method. thx Ken
Bruce Bowman All Messages By This Member #14090 On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:58 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote: I note your procedure.? But I need to move a handful of individual messages to another topic, not move all messages to another topic?? Can we do that?? Yes, it can be done. To split one thread into two, see?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/How-to-Split-Threads? To merge two threads into one, see?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/How-to-Merge-Threads? Say you have six messages in thread A, and want to move messages 3-5 into thread B. The steps are as follows: Split thread A at message #6, giving it a new subject line (perhaps "temp"). Split thread A at message #3, giving it another subject line (perhaps "temp2"). Merge the "temp" thread back into thread A. Merge the "temp2" thread into thread B. Hope and pray that you are done. As you can see, this is a tedious process, and is even more tedious if the messages to be moved are not contiguous. Why are we "hoping and praying?" Because all these messages have already gone out to your subscribers as emails. If anybody replies to one that landed in his inbox with the "wrong" subject line, you're going to find yourself doing another split-and-mergefest. To avoid that, Shal has suggested putting both threads on moderation so you can edit the subject lines before they post to the archive. You don't have to put the whole group on moderation...just select "Moderate Topic" from the More menu. Locking them is also an option, of course. Hope this helps, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help
KWKloeber All Messages By This Member #14091 Gracias. Bruce Ya, I was also thinking of doing the Mod thing, but there's an issue of being accused of "taking over".? No need to get into it here.? It is what it?is. I did copy paste a few msgs when starting the new (correct) topic, but...... well you know.? Horses, leading, water, hydrating.? They just don't go together. Perhaps also locking the original topic for a week might do it. Funny, (strange, not ha ha funny) I thought of splitting?but said, "Nah, Ken there MUST be an easy way to move one message at a time" (maybe edit its subject line). Nah. thx -k
Shal Farley Member Profile All Messages By This Member #14093 Ken, Funny, (strange, not ha ha funny) I thought of splitting?but said, "Nah, Ken there MUST be an easy way to move one message at a time" (maybe edit its subject line). Nah. If you carve off the chunks you want using split there's an easier way put the pieces back together on the horizon, but it is for "testing" right now. I think the merge functionality would be safe enough, using the bulk delete functionality might be dangerous because there's not yet any "undo". New Bulk Topic Actions Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
KWKloeber All Messages By This Member #14129 Related --? I merged 2 topics.? Trying to get a new message into the new topic, I copy/pasted the title into an email.? Should end up in there with other msgs in the new topic, right?? Nope, several attempts, the additional posts start their own new topic, w/ the SAME name as the other.? Arrrgh. So I?end?up w/.several topics listed, ALL have exactly the same name???? -Ken
Shal Farley Member Profile All Messages By This Member #14154 Ken, So I end up w/.several topics listed, ALL have exactly the same name ??? Nothing mysterious about that. There's nothing that says topics can't have the same Subject text. Just look at GMF's #changelog. Trying to get a new message into the new topic, I copy/pasted the title into an email. If you mean that you edited the messages while pending, I've had mixed results with that. If the incoming messages have In-Reply-To fields in their headers that may derail your edit attempt. I haven't taken the time yet to try and really track down the failed cases to see what the logic must have been. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
KWKloeber All Messages By This Member #14158 What I mean is I moved everything to one topic.? I use that subject for a new email. Instead of dropping into that topic, it starts a new topic, same name exactly. ??
Jim Higgins #14162 Received from Shal Farley at 1/10/2019 06:58 AM UTC: If you mean that you edited the messages while pending, I've had mixed results with that. If the incoming messages have In-Reply-To fields in their headers that may derail your edit attempt. A "proper" email client/interface will delete the In-Reply-To and References headers in a reply if the sender changes the subject line... thus making that message the first message in a new thread (topic) if threading is based on In-Reply-To and References headers. Jim H
Shal Farley Member Profile All Messages By This Member #14165 Ken, What I mean is I moved everything to one topic.? I use that subject for a new email. Instead of dropping into that topic, it starts a new topic, same name exactly. ?? In your new email, if you added Re: in front of the subject text it should have matched the existing topic from the last 30 days with the same subject text. "Re:", and versions of that in various languages, is ignored for matching. If you didn't add Re: in front then the existing topic must be within the last two days. Here are the exact rules: By "threading information" Mark is referring to the header fields In-Reply-To: and References:, inserted into the header of replies by most email interfaces. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
Shal Farley Member Profile All Messages By This Member #14167 Jim, A "proper" email client/interface will delete the In-Reply-To and References headers in a reply if the sender changes the subject line... That may be true in some perfect world, but may not be the case when dealing with the vast array of email interfaces members use in Groups.io. The threading algorithm employed by Groups.io has evolved to reasonably handle the various cases found in the wild. I don't recall if I've checked that behavior specifically with Eudora Classic (which I no longer use) or Thunderbird (my replacement for Eudora). I know that both of them remove those fields if you open a reply and "Edit as new" (create a new message with the same addressees and content) - which frequently trips me up because I generally wanted the message thus created to be treated as a reply in the same topic. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
KWKloeber All Messages By This Member #14186 I recall that it was w/in 1 day.? Our msgs come thru as Re: [groupname] Topic 1st, I retained all cept Topic, pasted New Topic? 2nd, I replaced all with New Topic did not retain only Re;

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