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Making the members list visible/invisible.


 

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Hello All!

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I am running a family group/list.?

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One family member is wary of using the group because ¡°they can¡¯t see who is on the list and they »å´Ç²Ô¡¯³Ù know where the messages are going¡±.?

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I »å´Ç²Ô¡¯³Ù want the member list available publicly, but I do want to make it available to other members (like this difficult family member lol!).

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Can I make the member list visible to members of my group, but not to the public/non-members?

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Thanks for your help!

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David

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On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM, Dave B wrote:

I am running a family group/list.?

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One family member is wary of using the group because ¡°they can¡¯t see who is on the list and they »å´Ç²Ô¡¯³Ù know where the messages are going¡±.?

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I »å´Ç²Ô¡¯³Ù want the member list available publicly, but I do want to make it available to other members (like this difficult family member lol!).

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Can I make the member list visible to members of my group, but not to the public/non-members?

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I am assuming you have a restricted group.

You can make the member list (in Admin) available to all group members, if you wish. Only group members, not the public, can see it. Go to Admin, Settings, Privacy.
See this help page -?/helpcenter/gettingstarted/1/step-4-customize-the-group-s-settings/group-settings

In my family group, I have allowed members to see the member list. However all members are also in Directory.
See also: ?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/6114

Frances
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On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM, Dave B wrote:

One family member is wary of using the group because ¡°they can¡¯t see who is on the list and they »å´Ç²Ô¡¯³Ù know where the messages are going¡±.?

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Of course, any bona fide member can forward an email from the group. You can't prevent that.
In a few of my groups, I have set up an automatic group footer in Admin, Settings, Message Formatting.

It says:
This group, its messages, files and other content are intended only for approved members of this group. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, or distributing is strictly prohibited.

This is because in a committee group I have, a group member was or appeared to be forwarding our messages to others.I don't in my family group, but you could do a different footer.

You might also consider what happens when non-members email the group. I allow it (the posts need to be moderated), but it does alert me to family members who might like to join the group.
Tons of tweaks available for Groups.io!
See?/helpcenter/gettingstarted

Frances
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Frances, I changed the setting to allow members to see the member list.?

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When one of the members went to see the list of others on the list, they could only see their own name¡­as below:?

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Any ideas why they can only see their name??

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Boosh

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frances
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Making the members list visible/invisible.

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On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM, Dave B wrote:

I am running a family group/list.?

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One family member is wary of using the group because ¡°they can¡¯t see who is on the list and they »å´Ç²Ô¡¯³Ù know where the messages are going¡±.?

?

I »å´Ç²Ô¡¯³Ù want the member list available publicly, but I do want to make it available to other members (like this difficult family member lol!).

?

Can I make the member list visible to members of my group, but not to the public/non-members?

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I am assuming you have a restricted group.

You can make the member list (in Admin) available to all group members, if you wish. Only group members, not the public, can see it. Go to Admin, Settings, Privacy.
See this help page -?/helpcenter/gettingstarted/1/step-4-customize-the-group-s-settings/group-settings

In my family group, I have allowed members to see the member list. However all members are also in Directory.
See also: ?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/6114

Frances
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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 02:34 PM, Dave B wrote:
When one of the members went to see the list of others on the list, they could only see their own name¡­as below
As it says at the top: Member Directory.? Member List is another page/link.

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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 03:34 PM, Dave B wrote:

Frances, I changed the setting to allow members to see the member list.?

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When one of the members went to see the list of others on the list, they could only see their own name¡­as below:?

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Any ideas why they can only see their name??

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Boosh

Only those who allow other members to see their address are listed here. And if a member doesn't allow other members, they don't see any either.

See Help for more details and exact language!?
/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/viewing-the-directory?single=true

Members can allow themselves to be viewed by others (depending on the settings the owner has made) by going to the group homepage, clicking on Subscription (left), then on Group Profile, Edit Group Profile, Profile Privacy.
You can also go to your name - top right, account, Identity, and you will see all groups your belong to with that email address. You can edit the first one (general one) that has a note:?Changes made to this profile will also be made to each group profile, with the exception of those fields that you have previously customized in each group profile. To edit those customized fields please go to the specific group profile and click "edit"

Or do each group you belong to individually. Tailor it to the group.

Frances


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I was a bit sloppy with language.

There is Members in Admin. ?(Members List)
And there is Directory.?
See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/6114

You can allow members in your family group to see the Members List if you wish. Unusual but possible.
That wiki page says this:


If you as an Owner want members to be able to "see" every other member in the group without forcing everyone to jump through the profile hoop, you must make the member list visible. Doing so will not give Subscribers access to the underlying information, however -- only the "stuff" that appears in the main index (Display Name, Message Delivery, Email Address, and Join Date). This can only be done if you first select the Restricted method of Spam Control.

Up to you!

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On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM, Dave B wrote:

Can I make the member list visible to members of my group, but not to the public/non-members?

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To clarify: The member list and the directory are two different things. For what you want, go to Admin > Settings > Privacy > Member List Visibility > change to "Members."

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Boosh,

Frances, I changed the setting to allow members to see the member list.?

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When one of the members went to see the list of others on the list, they could only see their own name¡­as below:?


In your screenshot, Fred is looking at the group's Directory, not its Members list. Those are separate pages.

The list of pages on the left in your screen shot does not include the Members list, so either it was taken before you changed the setting, or the setting didn't "take", or Fred needs to refresh his browser window. It should look like this:


The Members list is controlled in the Privacy panel of your group's Settings page. The Directory is controlled in the Features panel.

?Any ideas why they can only see their name??


Apparently no other group members have set their Profile to allow access by other members. That's a Profile setting that each member must set for themselves, the default is that only group owners/moderators can see a member's profile.

Shal


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Thanks everyone¡­but when I go to change the setting to make the member list visibility available to members, I am not allowed to choose ¡°members¡± from the dropdown list. ??Only ¡°Owners¡± and ¡°All Owners, and Moderators¡­¡±

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Any reason why I can¡¯t choose this option?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Cook
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 3:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Making the members list visible/invisible.

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On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM, Dave B wrote:

Can I make the member list visible to members of my group, but not to the public/non-members?

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To clarify: The member list and the directory are two different things. For what you want, go to Admin > Settings > Privacy > Member List Visibility > change to "Members."

{Pete


 

On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 04:38 PM, Dave B wrote:

Thanks everyone¡­but when I go to change the setting to make the member list visibility available to members, I am not allowed to choose ¡°members¡± from the dropdown list. ??Only ¡°Owners¡± and ¡°All Owners, and Moderators¡­¡±

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Any reason why I can¡¯t choose this option?

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Is your group a Restricted group?

The Help says: ?"In a restricted membership group, the group owner can choose whether to allow the members of the group to see the member list. If a Members entry appears in the left navigation on the group¡¯s website, the owner has allowed group members to see the member list. Click the Members entry to view the list."

Check what your Spam Control setting is in Admin, Settings.

Frances
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>> Is your group a Restricted group?? Check what your Spam Control setting is in Admin, Settings.

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Under the spam settings, the box for ¡°Restricted Membership¡± is not checked.?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frances
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 4:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Making the members list visible/invisible.

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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 04:38 PM, Dave B wrote:

Thanks everyone¡­but when I go to change the setting to make the member list visibility available to members, I am not allowed to choose ¡°members¡± from the dropdown list. ??Only ¡°Owners¡± and ¡°All Owners, and Moderators¡­¡±

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Any reason why I can¡¯t choose this option?

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Is your group a Restricted group?

The Help says: ?"In a restricted membership group, the group owner can choose whether to allow the members of the group to see the member list. If a Members entry appears in the left navigation on the group¡¯s website, the owner has allowed group members to see the member list. Click the Members entry to view the list."

Check what your Spam Control setting is in Admin, Settings.

Frances
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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 09:45 PM, Dave B wrote:

>> Is your group a Restricted group?? Check what your Spam Control setting is in Admin, Settings.

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Under the spam settings, the box for ¡°Restricted Membership¡± is not checked.?

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I think you should decide on whether or not you want or need restricted membership for your group.?

This group (GMF) is not restricted.?
The summary on the home page says:

Posts to this group require approval from the moderators. ? IE - messages are moderated
Subscriptions to this group do not require approval from the moderators. IE - the group is not restricted.

If you think that you prefer control over who joins your group, you can make it restricted.
You can create a notice that is automatically?sent to would-be members?asking for some info, if you wish.
If the group is restricted, you need not moderate messages.

Or you can continue to allow anyone to join the group without requiring permission from you, and simply moderate all messages.

See?/helpcenter/gettingstarted/1/step-4-customize-the-group-s-settings/group-settings
for more details.

If you prefer to keep things as they are, you can request your members to update their profile so that members can see the Directory.

Also, I don't know your setting for Replies.
There are two relevant options -?

- Reply To Group and Sender (or Group), and a couple more choices.?
If you choose Group and Sender, it is easy for members to reply directly to another member who has posted - through the group site by choosing Private in a post, or from footers in the emails.

- Remove Other Reply Options
Removes links on the website and digest to reply options other than your selected Reply To option.

The Help says:
Reply To: This setting controls who is initially set to receive replies to messages that are posted to the group. Select the option you want to apply. Be aware that members will still see additional reply options in messages on the group¡¯s website and in email digests (if they are using that delivery option) unless you use the Remove Other Reply Options setting to remove those additional reply options.
Remove Other Reply Options: When you select this checkbox, links to reply options other than the one you selected in the Reply To list above are removed from messages on the group¡¯s website and from email digests.
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?If this is a newer group, you might want to review the options here:
/helpcenter/gettingstarted

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Dave,

Under the spam settings, the box for ¡°Restricted Membership¡± is not
checked.
Then that is why you don't have the option to show your group's Members list to members. The concern is that any spammer could freely join your group and download all the member addresses.

For a family group I would strongly recommend Restricted membership. That way family members can be assured that strangers can't join the group and read the messages (unless you mistakenly let one in, but you don't have to tell your family members that).

I recommend Restricted membership for most any group where only people you know should be allowed to read the group's content. That can include clubs, classmates, and certainly family groups.

Shal


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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:30 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
For a family group I would strongly recommend Restricted membership. That way family members can be assured that strangers can't join the group and read the messages (unless you mistakenly let one in, but you don't have to tell your family members that).
I agree that a restricted group is best for a family group. And for a committee or other similar organizations.

Frances

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