Invitation questions
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I sent an invitation to a new free email address of mine. This is the Invitation message it received:
| Subject: Invitation to join the <groupname>@groups.io email group Shouldn't this be "<groupname>.groups.io"? (and again in the message body)? Message body: | Hello <emailaddress>@outlook.com, | | You have been invited by <me> to join the Groups.io group <groupname>@groups.io. | | The following message was included by <me>: | | <my custom message> | | If you have questions about this invitation, send them to <groupname>[email protected]. | | To accept the invitation, please reply to this email, or you may accept the invitation on the website. | | If you are not interested, or if <emailaddress>@outlook.com is not your email address, please ignore this email. | | Cheers, | The Groups.io Team "accept the invitation" was a clickable link to the <groupname>.groups.io website which make sense, however at the bottom of the Invitation there were 3 confusing and unexplained 'buttons': "Thank you for the invite." , "Thank you for the invitation." , and "Can you please add me?" What are these 3 unexplained 'buttons', what is the difference between them, and where do they go? |
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Michael, | Subject: Invitation to join the <groupname>@ email group Mark typically uses the group's posting address as the name of the group, so it should appear as [email protected] or <[email protected]>. That is, the angle brackets should either encompass both the name and domain, or not be present. Or, in the case of a group with subgroups: [email protected] (for the primary group the simpler form, [email protected], can be used instead). however at the bottom of the Invitation there were 3 confusing and unexplained 'buttons': That sounds like a feature of your email interface. I know Gmail sometimes makes suggestions like that, what they do is compose a reply with the suggested text in the body, then leave it for you to complete the reply or just click Send. Possibly other services have that feature too. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
| Subject: Invitation to join the <groupname>@groups.io email groupIt would seem logical to refer to the group by its URL rather than its posting address, unless a group permits non-subscribers to post, clicking on the posting address shouldn’t take anyone to the group website… And until an Invitation were accepted one would not be a subscriber yet, unless clicking on that <posting address named group> both accepts and generates a message to the group - I would think it is more likely that a new subscribe would rather go to the group upon joining rather than immediately sending a message to the group. however at the bottom of the Invitation there were 3 confusing and unexplained 'buttons':Yes it was to an outlook.com email address (as I quoted in my inquiry) | Hello <emailaddress>@outlook.com, Thanks for the explanations. |
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Michael,
It would seem logical to refer to the group by its URL rather than itsYes, and Mark was called on this recently in beta. I think it was the formatted Digest where the text of a link was the group's posting address but the URL under it was its home page. It did the "right" thing, but some felt it was confusing. unless a group permits non-subscribers to post, clicking on theIn the invitation those were not links, so they wouldn't take one anywhere. Unless your email interface linkified them (some interfaces will recognize an email address in a message body and make it clickable), but that would generate a message to that address, not take you to any site. Thunderbird will linkify email addresses, but only in plain-text message bodies, Gmail doesn't. Possibly your email interface does in both plain text and formatted message bodies. ... I would think it is more likely that a new subscribe would ratherTrue, which is why the only link in the invitation itself is the acceptance link. Which only takes you to the site (probably to your subscription page in the group, but I don't remember for certain); it does not also open a new message either on site or in your email interface.. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Agreed, needless ambiguity is definitely confusing.It would seem logical to refer to the group by its URL rather than itsYes, and Mark was called on this recently in beta. I think it was the formatted Digest where the text of a link was the group's posting address but the URL under it was its home page. It did the "right" thing, but some felt it was confusing. | You have been invited by <me> to join the Groups.io group <groupname>@groups.io.unless a group permits non-subscribers to post, clicking on theIn the invitation those were not links, so they wouldn't take one anywhere. Outlook.com did make <groupname>@groups.io into a clickable link for /g/<groupname> Again why be confusing by needlessly mislabeling an address (a URL as an email address)? It actually took me to the group webpage where I was already signed in with a different email address... I would think it is more likely that a new subscribe would ratherTrue, which is why the only link in the invitation itself is the acceptance link. Which only takes you to the site (probably to your subscription page in the group, but I don't remember for certain); it does not also open a new message either on site or in your email interface..Yes, it didn’t, but it looked like it should. Groups.io should strive to be clear and simple to understand and use. It is misguided laziness to forsake simple corrections because 'those in the know’ understand that mislabeled items don’t mean what they look like. At best that generates confusion the rest of us have to deal with. |
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Michael,
Outlook.com did make <groupname>@groups.io into a clickable link forNope, that would be impossible. If that's what you see then I have to conclude that the content of an Invite has changed since the example I captured last June, and that now the invitation includes the email address as a link to the home page. Again why be confusing by needlessly mislabeling an address (a URL asNo idea. It is misguided laziness to forsake simple corrections ...I think you may have mis-characterized the situation. The link is most likely the way it is by design, and not (in Mark's mind) in need of correction. Unless it has in fact been reported to him (I don't know), and even then he might disagree that it needs correction or have a reason it should be as it is. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Shal,Outlook.com did make <groupname>@groups.io into a clickable link forNope, that would be impossible. I just re-verified that Invitations do behave as I have described, with both the Invitation for one of my groups I already accepted, and for another of my groups that I have not yet accepted. I'll forward the invitations to you privately. Whether I view the invitation as Web-based email at outlook.com or in Apple’s Mail application on my laptop: If I click on [email protected] in | You have been invited by <me> to join the Groups.io group [email protected] the /g/groupname webpage opens up (and if I’m already signed into Groups.io it will be logged in to that signed in email address, even it is for my Owner account). Additionally the same thing happens when I click on [email protected] in the Subject Line in Apple’s Mail application on my laptop | Invitation to join the [email protected] email group Thanks, Michael |
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Michael,
If I click on [email protected] inAs I said, I believe you. Additionally the same thing happens when I click onThat's a bit more mysterious, because Subject text can't include a link. If your email interface linkified it, it could only be as a reply to the group - it wouldn't have known the group's home page address. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Yes, Apple’s Mail application did lenkify it and address an email to [email protected]Additionally the same thing happens when I click onThat's a bit more mysterious, because Subject text can't include a link. If your email interface linkified it, it could only be as a reply to the group - it wouldn't have known the group's home page address. but not from the email address it was sent to, rather my most frequently used email address Both the ‘linkification' and the 'From email address' choice must be Apple’s Mail application ‘behavior learning intuitiveness?’... |
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Michael,
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Yes, Apple’s Mail application did lenkify it and address an email to [email protected] Ok, that's simple linkification then. I'm just surprised that an email interface would do it in the Subject text, but I suppose someone found it handy. but not from the email address it was sent to, rather my most frequently used email address It would most likely be whatever address is your default From, when composing a new message. Anyway, back to your original question: I sent myself a new invitation and sure enough, the first line is as you described:
My address was not made a link, but the group was identified by its posting address, written as a link to its home page. It may seem weird to have a link whose text is an email address but whose URL is a web address, but I think it is a straightforward consequence of using the group's posting address as its name. If shalstest didn't have subgroups it would be sufficient to have written that link as - omitting the email syntax - but then you'd need some other syntax for specifying subgroups. Bottom line: I don't see a problem with it the way it is, but you're always free to post a suggested change in beta. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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