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"Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

 

Couple of things.


1) I'm the owner of the group and I am not getting posts send to my email address.? I can see them online under messages, but they are not being sent to my email account?? What are the things I need to look for here to fix this?


2) While viewing Members, I have an Owner tag (blue background) and a P tag (also blue). When I hover over the P tag, it says "can post".? What is this and how can it be managed?


3) Some of the members have a NC tag (magenta background) that says not confirmed.? What does it mean and hot can it be manged?


Thanks

Mike
 

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:03 AM, Michael L. Stokes wrote:
Couple of things.
I'd suggest you start at /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home then come back if there's something you don't understand.? I believe everything you've asked about is covered there.

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:03 AM, Michael L. Stokes wrote:
1) I'm the owner of the group and I am not getting posts send to my email address.? I can see them online under messages, but they are not being sent to my email account?? What are the things I need to look for here to fix this?
Good advice from Duane. You should also look at your subscription on the left side menu of your group page. Scroll down and make sure that all the boxes are ticked for email and be sure to save at the bottom of the page.

Frances
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On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:03 AM, Michael L. Stokes wrote:
What are the things I need to look for here to fix this?
One of our Members had a P by her name and I have no idea how that happened because in our group setting the "Moderated" box is unchecked under Spam Control. Meaning all members can post unmoderated. So to me, the appearance of the P badge was confusing.?

I checked the?Posting Privileges box?of our other members and all of them had the "Use Group Moderation Setting" box checked.

So I?resolved the P badge display by going into her account and under the Posting Privileges box and changing her setting to?"Use Group Moderation Setting".?For some reason her setting was "Override: not moderated".

IDK how it happened that she was the only member with the P.?What I find even more interesting is that I do not have a P badge by my name and like her, my Posting Privileges box setting is "Override: not moderated".?

Another member had the NC badge for about a week. I don't recall where I found it, but somewhere there's a button that lets you resend the confirmation message. I did that and her P badge disappeared so I am guessing she overlooked the original confirmation message from GIO and responded to the other one sent.?

Here's the wiki explains the P and the NC badges:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Status-Badges-in-the-Members-List

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Sandi,

One of our Members had a P by her name and I have no idea how that
happened because in our group setting the "Moderated" box is unchecked
under Spam Control. Meaning all members can post unmoderated. So to
me, the appearance of the P badge was confusing.
It is purely an indication that the member has that override set. It tells you that should you change the group's Moderated box, this particular member will not be affected (will remain unmoderated).

IDK how it happened that she was the only member with the P.
It could have been set manually by a mod, or if this member was imported from a Yahoo Group it could have been copied from her subscription there.

What I find even more interesting is that I do *not* have a P badge by
my name and like her, my Posting Privileges box setting is "Override:
not moderated".
Double check that you don't actually have that badge, but that it has been cropped in the display by extending into the following column (Delivery). You may have to widen the display window, or zoom out, to reveal it.

If you really don't have the badge after your email address, but do have an override set, that would be a bug to report to support.

Shal


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in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away . What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed. . Yes they get to return but what if they thought we removed them? I have had to let 3 people know IO does that not me.?
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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 06:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:
in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away . What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed. . Yes they get to return but what if they thought we removed them? I have had to let 3 people know IO does that not me.?
Please see this wiki page for an explanation.

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

An important point is made on this page:

Why was I removed from my group?
Possibly because you, or your email service, designated a message from the group as "spam", and then your email service reported that fact to Groups.io, with the expectation that Groups.io will stop sending group messages to you. See also the Mechanism section, below.
?
An important distinction: ?You are not being accused of sending spam. Because a groups.io message was marked as spam -- in association with being received by your account -- this implies that you don't want to receive any more "messages like this." And in fact, many groups.io subscribers do this intentionally...mark group messages as spam rather than trying to figure out how to unsubscribe.

It is also possible that the administrators (moderators and owners) of the group removed you. In that case you may or may not have been notified of the reason, depending on that group's practices.

Frances
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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:
in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away .
I hope you realize that by doing that, you would have to change each one of them if there was a flame war or other serious problem in the group.

What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.
You need to read /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam to get a handle on that.? The email they get will tell them that THEY (or their email provider) marked a message as spam, not GIO.

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wow thanks this is not good it could upset some members .?

On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 05:24:15 PM CST, Frances <frances@...> wrote:


On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 06:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:
in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away . What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed. . Yes they get to return but what if they thought we removed them? I have had to let 3 people know IO does that not me.?
Please see this wiki page for an explanation.

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

An important point is made on this page:

Why was I removed from my group?
Possibly because you, or your email service, designated a message from the group as "spam", and then your email service reported that fact to Groups.io, with the expectation that Groups.io will stop sending group messages to you. See also the Mechanism section, below.
?
An important distinction: ?You are not being accused of sending spam. Because a groups.io message was marked as spam -- in association with being received by your account -- this implies that you don't want to receive any more "messages like this." And in fact, many groups.io subscribers do this intentionally...mark group messages as spam rather than trying to figure out how to unsubscribe.

It is also possible that the administrators (moderators and owners) of the group removed you. In that case you may or may not have been notified of the reason, depending on that group's practices.

Frances
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those I do that to have never caused me any problems?

On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 05:30:32 PM CST, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:


On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:
in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away .
I hope you realize that by doing that, you would have to change each one of them if there was a flame war or other serious problem in the group.

What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.
You need to read /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam to get a handle on that.? The email they get will tell them that THEY (or their email provider) marked a message as spam, not GIO.

Duane
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Sharon, why not do an admin post to the group explaining GIO's spam policy?? That way, members will know that you're not removing them, that under certain conditions, posts get marked as spam by email providers, and GIO removes that member.? there's a rejoin button right there for them to get back on the list.
It will also let members know not to ever mark a gio post as spam.? You can include the link in your post that Duane just posted.??

If your group is restricted, you can set the group to no mod and solve the problem of removing each member from mod.

Terri
 

Sharon . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 23:00:51 +0000 (UTC), "Sharon Pohlman via
Groups.Io" <ceegee2006@...> wrote:

What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.
GIO doesn't remove a member for sending SPAM to the group. That is up
to the moderators to determine.

Now if the member deletes a message from GIO and it's in their spam
folder, they mark it as SPAM, or their email provider marks it as SPAM
and it's left in the spam folder long enough that the email provider
automatically deletes it, then GIO will unsubscribe them.

This arrangement had to be agreed upon by forum platforms like GIO to
reduce unwanted messages for the email users (members). I believe this
is part of the DMARC specification for the web to help reduce spam. At
any rate, if GIO did not implement this, they would be blacklisted by
some email providers. This is supposed to be for our protection but it
only works well if people are aware of how it works and to NOT mark
messages as spam that aren't, check their spam folders, don't delete a
message in the spam folder that isn't spam, etc.

It's up to the members to treat GIO messages as messages and not SPAM,
and for moderators/owners to train and educate their members about
this. If the members don't read your messages about this (you do send
out a message now and then about this, don't you?), then they will end
up being kicked off the group.

Some of our groups have a monthly reminder sent out about this so new
members will see this soon after they join. I might make it a message
they will get when joining, too, but we haven't had many members make
that mistake and get kicked out. Most of those who have immediately
rejoin, and hopefully they actually read the email they get after
being removed.

Do I like the way this works? Not at all. But we're stuck with it
since email providers have demanded it and we wouldn't be getting
messages from forum platforms without the platforms agreeing to do
this.

Donald


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/g/ICOM
/g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp
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**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)
**and a group to discuss sourdough bread baking:
 

Sharon . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 23:33:29 +0000 (UTC), "Sharon Pohlman via
Groups.Io" <ceegee2006@...> wrote:

those I do that to have never caused me any problems
I think there's a choice to set them to "use group settings" which is
essentially unmoderated unless you see a flame war and put the entire
group on moderated status until things have calmed down.

That setting puts them into the state of having been through the 1,2,3
or more moderated messages you require in your group to allow them to
be under group settings instead of moderated.

We use the 1 approved post to get them to the use group settings
point. We haven't had spam by doing this, but a member's email account
COULD be hacked. The chances of that happening are the same whether
they have to get through 1 or 5 moderated posts first, and could
happen after they've made 1,000 posts, so we found the "1" setting to
work just fine. It also minimizes work for the moderators.

If you do that, from the members' perspective, they will probably
never see their messages moderated. In the rare event that you do put
the whole group on moderated status, only then would these members be
moderated and only until you put the group back to it's original
setting.

Donald


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Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io and some other groups:
/g/ICOM
/g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp
----------------------------------
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)
**and a group to discuss sourdough bread baking:
b&p
 

I sent an admin note to my group. No reported problems to date, which makes me very happy, but it's good to have the link.

Paul (b&p)

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:58 PM T Golding <tgolding11@...> wrote:

Sharon, why not do an admin post to the group explaining GIO's spam policy?? That way, members will know that you're not removing them, that under certain conditions, posts get marked as spam by email providers, and GIO removes that member.? there's a rejoin button right there for them to get back on the list.
It will also let members know not to ever mark a gio post as spam.? You can include the link in your post that Duane just posted.??

If your group is restricted, you can set the group to no mod and solve the problem of removing each member from mod.

Terri

b&p
 

I may have mentioned this elsewhere, but since we're on this topic, I am having issues with Gmail moving whitelisted senders automatically to my "spam" folder - not every message from every sender, but too many for comfort. Many are from commercial companies to whose lists I have subscribed but some are personal correspondence. Does anyone have any idea why Gmail would be doing?this? It started only recently, within the last couple of months, but it is getting quite irritating.

And no, I never delete directly from "spam"; I move it to the inbox and do it there.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

Paul (b&p)

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 7:13 PM Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:
Sharon . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 23:00:51 +0000 (UTC), "Sharon Pohlman via
Groups.Io" <ceegee2006=[email protected]> wrote:

>What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.

GIO doesn't remove a member for sending SPAM to the group. That is up
to the moderators to determine.

Now if the member deletes a message from GIO and it's in their spam
folder, they mark it as SPAM, or their email provider marks it as SPAM
and it's left in the spam folder long enough that the email provider
automatically deletes it, then GIO will unsubscribe them.

This arrangement had to be agreed upon by forum platforms like GIO to
reduce unwanted messages for the email users (members). I believe this
is part of the DMARC specification for the web to help reduce spam. At
any rate, if GIO did not implement this, they would be blacklisted by
some email providers. This is supposed to be for our protection but it
only works well if people are aware of how it works and to NOT mark
messages as spam that aren't, check their spam folders, don't delete a
message in the spam folder that isn't spam, etc.

It's up to the members to treat GIO messages as messages and not SPAM,
and for moderators/owners to train and educate their members about
this. If the members don't read your messages about this (you do send
out a message now and then about this, don't you?), then they will end
up being kicked off the group.

Some of our groups have a monthly reminder sent out about this so new
members will see this soon after they join. I might make it a message
they will get when joining, too, but we haven't had many members make
that mistake and get kicked out. Most of those who have immediately
rejoin, and hopefully they actually read the email they get after
being removed.

Do I like the way this works? Not at all. But we're stuck with it
since email providers have demanded it and we wouldn't be getting
messages from forum platforms without the platforms agreeing to do
this.

Donald


----------------------------------------------------
Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io and some other groups:
/g/ICOM
/g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp
----------------------------------
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)
**and a group to discuss sourdough bread baking:
 

I may have mentioned this elsewhere, but since we're on this topic, I am having issues with Gmail moving whitelisted senders automatically to my "spam" folder - not every message from every sender, but too many for comfort. Many are from commercial companies to whose lists I have subscribed but some are personal correspondence. Does anyone have any idea why Gmail would be doing?this? It started only recently, within the last couple of months, but it is getting quite irritating.
?
And no, I never delete directly from "spam"; I move it to the inbox and do it there.
One thing that can help is adding them to your contacts B&P

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