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Scott,

There doesn't seem to be any lag typing in the search box.

Can you try some of the other places I named?

Out of curiosity, when did the new editor come into play?

It was put into the New Topic & Reply message editing on May 22nd. It gradually replaced the old editor everywhere else but the wiki, by May 26th. It went into the Wiki the week ending June 2nd.

Lag didn't start on this reply until the 3rd sentence.

I guess that will make testing for it a bit tedious. Not knowing at what point it might kick in means you'd have to type extra long.

Shal

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 01:12 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Scott,

> There doesn't seem to be any lag typing in the search box.

Can you try some of the other places I named?

I'm sorry Shai - which other places did you want me to try? I thought it was just in the posts or in the search bar.

> Out of curiosity, when did the new editor come into play?

It was put into the New Topic & Reply message editing on May 22nd. It
gradually replaced the old editor everywhere else but the wiki, by May
26th. It went into the Wiki the week ending June 2nd.

This is the most telling thing to me. I joined Groups.io on the 18th of May and made multiple posts (10+) in my new group over the next few days and didn't experience anything unusual. I was testing this site out to see if we should move from Yahoo. Nothing buggy at all and I was so impressed we started switching over immediately. It was about a week after joining I started to see some lag but didn't connect it to this site?until I realized that was the only place it was happening.

There has to be some issue with the new editor.

> Lag didn't start on this reply until the 3rd sentence.

I guess that will make testing for it a bit tedious. Not knowing at what
point it might kick in means you'd have to type extra long.

Noticed something new while typing this post. - as it is a longer post than I've made in here, after it got to be 3-4 sentences long the text stopped appearing at all.. I kept typing to see what would happen and suddenly things "caught up"?- a?whole sentence appeared at once.

Scott

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There's something else going on with this new (godforsaken IMO) editor that I just emailed Mark about. When editing a pending message, the HTML flashes by for a split second and then disappears. It's disconcerting.

J

Scott,

which other places did you want me to try? I thought
it was just in the posts or in the search bar.

I was curious to see if you switched your post format preference to plain text if the problem would go away. In plain text mode a simple form filler is used rather than the new HTML editor.

Switch your Post Preference by going to your account preferences page (click on your name in the upper right to drop a menu, click on Account, click on Preferences in the left column). About midway down is a selector for your Post Preference - choose Plain Text then click the Update Preferences button at the bottom.

Make some tests with longer texts (Click the Discard button rather than Send if you don't want to clutter a group with the tests). Enough to be confident whether or not you're seeing the slowdown.

Then, if you prefer, go back to your Post Preference and return your Post Preference to HTML.

There has to be some issue with the new editor.

That seems to be the case, even though I'm not experiencing the slowdown. I'm hoping we can gather enough evidence to help Mark identify and hopefully correct the circumstances that result in a slowdown.

Noticed something new while typing this post. - as it is a longer
post than I've made in here, after it got to be 3-4 sentences long
the text stopped appearing at all.. I kept typing to see what would
happen and suddenly things "caught up" - a whole sentence appeared at
once.

That's the kind of buffering delay that used to happen in "ancient" times, working with old Intel 386 and 486 computers, with dialup modem connections. Not something anyone wants to go back to!

So, I can imagine a few factors that may be relevant:

Connection performance (I have a 300 MBPS cable connection)
Choice of browser (I'm using Firefox)
Choice of OS (I'm using either WinXP or Win10)
Speed/memory performance of computer (I'm using either a decade-old AMD Opteron at 2.8 GHz with 3 GB of RAM, or a recent Intel i5-6400 at 2.7 GHz and 8 GB of RAM).

Of those, my guess is that internet connection performance is the most likely factor to make a difference, with choice of browser being a close second. Since I don't see any difference using an older (high-end at the time) or modern (economy model) computer, I'm guessing that's the least likely factor.

I think the evidence is close to solid enough that I'd advise reporting your results to [email protected] to get it on the bug list. Include the factors above, and anything else you think might be relevant.

Shal

Scott,

I wrote:

So, I can imagine a few factors that may be relevant:

Connection performance (I have a 300 MBPS cable connection)

I was thinking, and it isn't the raw bits-per-second rate that likely matters. Rather the round-trip time for a message to sent from your browser to the site, the site to process it, and the response to come back to your browser.

This unfortunately is seldom measured or revealed. And can be hard to measure because it is usually even more variable than the effective bit rate. DSLReports includes a "bufferbloat" measurement, which is a measure of how badly your average trip-time is impacted by streaming data. Often the answer is: severely.


The also have a ping test which is a direct measurement of latency in your data connections:


The quality of your internet service matters, of course, but another factor, often overlooked, is the age and quality of your home router. Not too long ago I replaced an aging DSL-class router with one geared for higher transaction performance - it made a world of difference on a bunch of sites, particularly modern sites that tend to cram a lot of stuff onto each page.

I don't think Groups.io's pages are overstuffed (far from it) but the HTML editor could be particularly sensitive to transaction latency (round-trip time) if it is communicating with Groups.io's server on every keystroke.

Shal