I've read many posts that state attachments are the one thing that is not included in the transfer of a group from YG, but I found one in our recently transferred group's Emailed Photos album. Clicking on the blue Messages button under the picture, took me to a 2012 post associated with the picture. If one attachment made the transfer I wonder why all the attachments can't?

Don

Don,

I've read many posts that state attachments are the one thing that is
not included in the transfer of a group from YG, but I found one in
our recently transferred group's Emailed Photos album.

Cool! I've been wondering about this.

Clicking on the blue Messages button under the picture, took me to a
2012 post associated with the picture. If one attachment made the
transfer I wonder why all the attachments can't?

Speculation on my part, but maybe it wasn't an attachment.

You don't say what you mean by "associated with", but if the photo was an image inline in the HTML message body there are at least three forms it could take:

cid: - a traditional attached image file
http: - a "remote" image hosted somewhere on the internet
data: - an inline image file

If you can still access that message in the Y!Group it came from, looking at the View Source there may tell you what type this was. You'd be looking for something of the form <img src="cid:....">

"cid" means content identifier, and that's used when the image file is located in an attachment to the message. This type of image I would expect not to have been copied over, because it is an attachment.

"http" means a web file - the image isn't attached to the message but is instead loaded from some web server somewhere. This type of image I would expect to come through fine, but not end up in the Emailed Photos Album - I'd be amused to know if it did.

"data" means that the file is encoded right there, inline in the HTML of the message body. This is the case I think might be in your message. In which case if you look at the view source you'll see a large (or large-ish) block of base64 encoded data in the message body. Because this was not an attached file, but data in the message body itself I would expect it to copy over intact.

Looking at the View Source at Groups.io might not answer the question. I think images get special treatment when posted or transferred in and that would likely invalidate the evidence.

Shal


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On Feb 17, 2018, at 4:26 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Speculation on my part, but maybe it wasn't an attachment.

cid: - a traditional attached image file
http: - a "remote" image hosted somewhere on the internet
data: - an inline image file

Thank you, Shal, for explaining this. With viruses still spread in email attachments, none of my public lists allow attachments. And for simplicity I have resisted HTML vigorously. (The colors and fonts people choose are horrendous.) A few years ago I relented on HTML for about 2 weeks because there were so many people who wanted to format their messages.

Suddenly “attachments” appeared. I couldn’t figure out how people had gotten them attached. Huge pictures, etc. I dropped the HTML and got no arguments, but I’ve never understood what happened.

The same thing is true in Apple Mail. I often search messages for an attachment and suddenly, not all messages with “attachments” are marked with the paperclip. It’s now undependable.

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Thank you, Shal, for explaining this. With viruses still spread in email attachments, none of my public lists allow attachments. And for simplicity I have resisted HTML vigorously. (The colors and fonts people choose are horrendous.) A few years ago I relented on HTML for about 2 weeks because there were so many people who wanted to format their messages.

Suddenly “attachments” appeared. I couldn’t figure out how people had gotten them attached. Huge pictures, etc. I dropped the HTML and got no arguments, but I’ve never understood what happened.

The same thing is true in Apple Mail. I often search messages for an attachment and suddenly, not all messages with “attachments” are marked with the paperclip. It’s now undependable.

Sharon

Sharon -
I too had similar concerns about HTML. I have one group with a number of older members who have their default screen displays set to certain fonts and sizes, and screen colors set to their preferences for readability. On the other side of the coin, members are now used to having photos accompany discussions as Facebook does. I have been a big advocate of groups.io's plain text messages, but still allowing attachments. It lets everyone keep their own preferred views and still share photos, And as you explain, it keeps out a lot of undesirable stuff.

The other thing I was an advocate for was letting individual users set their own maximum size limits for accepting attachments. Some users are still on dialup, while others have very fast connections, so users can set things for themselves, and see a link instead if they prefer.

I think you'll find a lot of unique features here on groups.io because of Mark's desire to work with users to make things better. That synergy makes groups.io so much more user friendly than other platforms. I think this is why new users say it's so much better here, but can't quite describe why.

Dano

Shal,

I looked for the file in Attachments on my YG, and I could not find it. I did find the post, and there were really three images attached. When I clicked on the thumbnail in the post and clicked on Inspect I copied this.

<div class="att-thumb grey has-thumb" data-imgurl=" id="yui_3_15_0_2_1518886354882_5350" style="background-image: url(/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/a_transferred_attachment/11900757/&quot;;);"><div class="header"><div class="att-type" aria-hidden="true">JPG</div><div class="att-size" aria-hidden="true">40 KB</div></div><div class="att-name fs-12" aria-hidden="true">thinlite cover.JPG</div></div>

Does that tell you anything?

Don

Sharon,

... I have resisted HTML vigorously. (The colors and fonts people
choose are horrendous.)

The "Normalize HTML Emails" checkbox, in the Message Formatting section of your group's Settings page, will help with that if you want to allow some formatting.

Suddenly “attachments” appeared. I couldn’t figure out how people had
gotten them attached. Huge pictures, etc.

But won't help with that, it still allows images to pass.

I think I tried combining that with setting the Attachments option to "Strip". The result in some (but not all) cases was a rectangle outline where the image had been, in other cases the text closed up leaving no empty space where the image had been. I don't think I tried "http" or "data" images to see if they would still appear.

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Don,

> I did find the post, and there were really three images attached. When
> I clicked on the thumbnail in the post and clicked on Inspect I copied
> this.
> <div class="att-thumb grey has-thumb" data-imgurl="
> ...> Does that tell you anything?

I think it tells me that that particular image, thinlite cover.JPG, was picked out by Yahoo! Groups and replaced with a link to it as an attached image file. This looks like code for a thumbnail of the image at the bottom of the message, and notably the thumbnail is an "http" style image, not itself an attachment. The thumbnail is still stored there:




Note, in this message the thumbnail is a "cid" image, I did that rather than "http" in case the image isn't available later.

So, no, from this particular code snippet I'd say we only saw a demonstration of what I expected: "http" images are not attachments.

You might have to have saved this message in your email folders to have it as a "pristine" example, unmodified by Yahoo Groups.

Shal


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Don,

If the image was embedded into the email could that make a difference?

I'm not really sure.

What landed in Emailed Photos - just the one thumbnail, or the full size image, or... ?

And what was included in the body of the Message's page?

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Shal,

The full size image.

The body of the message page was just text. The image linked back to the message page.

Don

Shal,

I was looking at the wrong email that I gave you information on, as a few replies before that email I found the right one.

The image was done by another person, and they told how they did it. They "composed message with Rich Text Editor function. Drag/dropped photo into message editor." He was using Firefox on a Mac.

Don

Don,

The image was done by another person, and they told how they did it.
They "composed message with Rich Text Editor function. Drag/dropped
photo into message editor."

If I recall correctly, image drag-and-drop to the RTE only worked if the image was hosted somewhere, and the result was an "http" type of image. So that likely answers the mystery: it wasn't an attachment, properly speaking.

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Shal,

Thanks for taking the time on this mystery. A good mystery puts a little spice into the mix though huh.

Don