This last week I posted my experiences of transferring a list from YG to groups.io on several YG lists where there
have been discussions about current YG problems.? While other members appreciated the heads-up, some YG lists
owners were pretty upset.? After a week of banter and bravado on all sides:? A few things became clear.

First, some list owners are not interested in their database and routinely purge messages and files.? In essence
their?groups are just slow paced chat groups and do not store archival information; they lose nothing if YG implodes.

Second, some list owners (and members) have not upgraded their PCs and internet connections in 20+ years,
they work solely with Digest posts and do not access the YG web page to post or search.? Yes Virginia, dial-up
modems do exist...? They cannot see the current YG slow-down.

Third, YG list ownership is extremely personal and some list owners are reactive to change, sharing, or assistance.
Talking of a move is stealing THEIR group.

When any of these three conditions of list owners exist the chances of a transfer from YG is minimal;
when all three exist, the list?will never move, is willing to die in place.

? If you are a moderator (or even a subscriber) for a list owner with these characteristics, trying to promote a move
will be a waste of your time and likely incur ire and distrust.? It's time to drop the subject.

ken clark
singed, but still happy with moving to groups.io

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Ken,
? My experiences are similar to yours.? I'll add in some other considerations.

? Many (most?) yahoo groups owners/moderators/users are not even
slightly cognizant of?how the list actually functions and so those
users are 'resistant' to any?mention of "change".
? In addition - there is a certain group of online users who 'feel the
need to comment/take a position' on -every- topic/thread.? That
attitude is irrelevant of their level of expertise on the topic.
? There seems to be very little relationship between the number
of members of a yahoo group and their willingness/hesitancy to
change to some other method.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Jim B.

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I've also had similar experiences. I just said we're moving, no questions asked, if you want to come I'll send you an invite, but that's ?it.?No exceptions. If you don't like the y, then so be it. About almost 200 of the 300 we had came with me. The ?others are slowly coming back. I would just say here's ?what's happening ?we are transfering , no exceptions, either follow orders or there's the door.

Hi Back SP4149, I'm the other sort and nothing is happening.? Have not yet gotten an answer from support either.

I suspect the problem is the email address at groups.io isn't the same at the yahoogroups one but I've sent an email from both accounts.? I seem so far to be in limbo-land but I haven't spammed them with many messages yet..?

Different answers may be right for different groups.? I own several book groups and associated groups that have operated on Yahoo for a long time.? I am moving one of the groups but I am not going to transfer all of the members or all of the old messages.

One of these groups has been inactive for some time and I am not going to do anything with it.? It can sit on yahoo or die.? The other group has about 10 active members out of 700 members in the group.? It also has messages related to discussions going back to 1996.? This group existed on another list serve before that -- the original messages were not migrated to Yahoo when the group moved there and I have made the decision not migrate messages from the Yahoo group to Groups.io.? I sent out a special message to the members that says that as of Feb 1, discussion will be held in a new group in Groups.io, have changed the cover page of the group to point to the new group and set up a Facebook page for the group with information about the move. ?

Jenny Ross
Book Group List owner