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Transferring a Yahoogroup without an active list owner.

 

I have been moderating a fairly active YahooGroup of 1800 members for the last 15 years.
The list owner has not been active for the last 10 years (Dispute with YahooGroups).

I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions necessary to move the group to groups.io?
I would rather have the groups.io moderator/member do all the work. But I need a workaround...

ken
 

Ken . . .

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:21:14 -0800, "Default" <ken@...>
wrote:


I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions
necessary to move the group to groups.io?
I would rather have the groups.io moderator/member do all the work. But
I need a workaround...
If your moderator privileges will not allow you to promote a member to
moderator, you cannot move the group to IO that way. The transfer
agent acts like a member and without moderator privileges, it cannot
download everything for the transfer.

If you can post to the group, you could create an IO group then post
an invitation to the Yahoo group to join there. If the current Yahoo
group is not experiencing serious issues, like problems from a lack of
moderation, the other members may not want to move there. Some may
join the new group and stay with the old group.

If the group is a spam haven, chances are that the members have
already given up on the group and your invitation will not e noticed
except by a few.

You know the situation best, so you'll have to decide on how to
proceed. If you start from the ground up on IO and get some members to
move there with you, you can slowly build up the membership over time.
If you can contact the group owner, they may give you ownership
privileges or at least the privilege to promote others to moderator,
and that would give you what you need to use the transfer agent. You
mentioned that the person had some dispute with Yahoo groups, so they
might feel they can get revenge by letting you move the group, or
might choose to move the group himself.

Donald

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell
 

ken,

I have been moderating a fairly active YahooGroup of 1800 members for
the last 15 years.

I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.
Oops. That's a roadblock alright.

Groups.io needs moderator-level access to copy all the necessary information.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions
necessary to move the group to groups.io?
Just as a fallback I'd suggest getting PG Offline and downloading your Y!Group's content that way.


I don't know of any path from there to getting the content into a Groups.io group, but I think the first step would be to have the content at all. That might be a suggestion for beta@, or a question for [email protected] - if you zipped up the content downloaded by PG Offline, could you pass that to Groups.io somehow and have them import that.

Shal
 

if he does have moderator rights he can "strongly motivate" the members to migrate

create the the io group, invite everyone, then set the yahoo group to "all moderated" and start increasing the moderation time for each post more and more, while repeating the invitations ..

this should get a critical mass of the active posters to migrate

then you can announce a close down of the yahoo group

moral: always have two different people with owner rights in your group

servus

markus

Am 21.01.2018 um 01:04 schrieb Donald Hellen:

Ken . . .
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:21:14 -0800, "Default" <ken@...>
wrote:

I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions
necessary to move the group to groups.io?
I would rather have the groups.io moderator/member do all the work. But
I need a workaround...
If your moderator privileges will not allow you to promote a member to
moderator, you cannot move the group to IO that way. The transfer
agent acts like a member and without moderator privileges, it cannot
download everything for the transfer.
If you can post to the group, you could create an IO group then post
an invitation to the Yahoo group to join there. If the current Yahoo
group is not experiencing serious issues, like problems from a lack of
moderation, the other members may not want to move there. Some may
join the new group and stay with the old group.
If the group is a spam haven, chances are that the members have
already given up on the group and your invitation will not e noticed
except by a few.
You know the situation best, so you'll have to decide on how to
proceed. If you start from the ground up on IO and get some members to
move there with you, you can slowly build up the membership over time.
If you can contact the group owner, they may give you ownership
privileges or at least the privilege to promote others to moderator,
and that would give you what you need to use the transfer agent. You
mentioned that the person had some dispute with Yahoo groups, so they
might feel they can get revenge by letting you move the group, or
might choose to move the group himself.
Donald
The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell
--
Email from my mobile connection.
 

Thanks all,
I finally was able to contact the list owner and despite his dislike of Yahoo he made me a co-list owner and I was able to make groups.io a moderator
and have requested a files transfer. Hopefully YahooGroups does not collapse first.

ken

On 2018-01-20 21:45, markus baur wrote:
if he does have moderator rights he can "strongly motivate" the
members to migrate
create the the io group, invite everyone, then set the yahoo group to
"all moderated" and start increasing the moderation time for each post
more and more, while repeating the invitations ..
this should get a critical mass of the active posters to migrate
then you can announce a close down of the yahoo group
moral: always have two different people with owner rights in your group
servus
markus
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