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Thanks Bruce anmd Shal
I just double-checked and I do have Force HTML Formatting set for
messages. I sent to my test group a message and it arrived with that
apparent text footer, not the larger font blue HTML footer as on
this Forum.
I checked the wiki and cannot see what I am setting or not setting
incorrectly:
In Settings >> Message Formatting I have
??? Force HTML Emails set
??? Normalise HTML emails NOT SET
??? Plain text only NOT SET
Further advice needed, please.
Bruce Fairhall
On 13-Nov-20 5:33 pm, Shal Farley
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Bruce,
> The footer in GMF is very different to what I get as default
(?) in my
> test message.
That has nothing to do with group settings. The footer in your
screenshot is from a plain text message.
As Bruce B said:
? See also /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/5452
> I would just like to know where I can configure it, please.
You can force messages in your group to have a Formatted footer by
checking the Force HTML Emails box in the Message Formatting panel
of your group's Settings page.
> For example, we only want messages posted by email, although
the
> view/reply online is a possible option.
I don't think there is a way to prevent members from posting via
the web interface.
Shal
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Thanks Bruce(2)
I undid the Message formatting, saved it, then re-entered the
Force HTML. Logged out.
Just sent a test message and no change to the footer. UGH!
So I logged in again, removed the formatting. Logged out. Waited
a couple of minutes. Logged in again and set the HTML
formatting. Logged out. Waited a minute and sent another test
message. No joy -? still no footer as I want it.
Is it a case of surrender and let groups.io win?
Bruce Fairhall
On 14-Nov-20 11:42 am, Bruce Bowman
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Bruce F, I undid the Message formatting, saved it, then re-entered the Force
HTML. Logged out.
Just sent a test message and no change to the footer. UGH! Did it change the message body itself to HTML? If not, I note that you're using Thunderbird when replying in GMF. If you have it set to show you the plain-text version of messages then you will always see the plain-text footer, never the HTML footer. On one of the newer messages from your group, in Thunderbird, try View | Message body as | Original HTML Is it a case of surrender and let groups.io win? No. But Thunderbird always wins. Shal -- Help: /helpcenterMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Thanks for your reply, Shal
The test message as received on our List was all in HTML.
I have Thunderbird set to Send as HTML because of my signature
file.
The Thunderbird VIEW setting is defaulted to Original HTML.
So you think the problem is Thunderbird, and there's nothing I
can do about it??
Bruce Fairhall
On 15-Nov-20 9:44 am, Shal Farley
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Bruce F,
> I undid the Message formatting, saved it, then re-entered the
Force
> HTML. Logged out.
> Just sent a test message and no change to the footer. UGH!
Did it change the message body itself to HTML?
If not, I note that you're using Thunderbird when replying in GMF.
If you have it set to show you the plain-text version of messages
then you will always see the plain-text footer, never the HTML
footer.
On one of the newer messages from your group, in Thunderbird, try
View | Message body as | Original HTML
> Is it a case of surrender and let groups.io win?
No.
But Thunderbird always wins.
Shal
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G'day
I'm still puzzling over how footers appear.
I thought that it was the List Message Policy that determined
what appeared. However, in today's posts to GMF (Making
Invitations ...):
1. From Ken Cameron shows the "non-HTML" footer
2. From Chris Jones shows the HTML footer.
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If the policy is set for this list, why is there a variation in
these two messages?
I would prefer the List I'm just setting up to have what was
shown from Chris, but it seems groups.io is not consistent?
Help please.
Bruce Fairhall
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Bruce, I have Thunderbird set to Send as HTML because of my signature file. Ok. This is set in each account, so if you're using more than one email address make sure you have it set correctly for the one used in your group. In the Options Composition page, Send Options button, you may have this overridden per destination domain. Also, it is possible for a contact entry in your address book to override this. The Thunderbird VIEW setting is defaulted to Original HTML. But of course this won't matter if the message has only a text/plain part (as this message, I believe). That can happen either by the sender's email interface or by the group setting Plain Text only. So you think the problem is Thunderbird, and there's nothing I can do
about it?? Nope, not necessarily. But what puzzles me is that I don't know how you could be seeing an HTML message body combined with a plain-text footer in the same message. Which is what it sounds like you are saying. When looking at a message with the plain text footer, that shouldn't have, use View | Message Source (Ctrl-U) to check whether it has both: Content-Type: text/plain; ... and Content-Type: text/html; ... or only one or the other. Shal -- Help: /helpcenterMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Bruce, I thought that it was the List Message Policy that determined what
appeared. However, in today's posts to GMF (Making Invitations ...):
1. From Ken Cameron shows the "non-HTML" footer
2. From Chris Jones shows the HTML footer. GMF has neither Plain Text Only nor Force HTML checked. In that case the sender's email is sent through with one, the other, or both as it was received. It was once a strong SHOULD in the email standard that a message containing HTML coding be sent in MIME multipart/alternative format, with two copies of the message body - first as text/plain and then as text/HTML. This was for backward compatibility with email interfaces that didn't support text/HTML formatting. These days that has been loosened, and it is not that uncommon to see email messages containing only a text/HTML message body. Shal -- Help: /helpcenterMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Thank you to all who have
suggested causes, effects and possible remedies.
Although our new group (just 3 members as we do initial testing)
has Force HTML set, and I REALLY want to get the HTML style
footer on all messages received by group members, it just won't
happen!
I have sent HTML from Thunderbird and text from Thunderbird but
none are received with that required footer, so I can't see what
the Force HTML is supposed to achieve. My emails are set inwards
as Viewed Always in HTML.
It would appear to be a Thunderbird-created situation and in
view of the popularity of this email program I can't understand
why groups.io programmers haven't found a way to accommodate it.
I think the "text" footer is nowhere near as
helpful as the HTML version but it looks as though groups.io
is just going to receive my white flag on this one, unless
someone has a panacea before I upload the member list.
Cheers from Down Under.
Bruce Fairhall
On 15-Nov-20 9:44 am, Shal Farley
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Bruce F,
> I undid the Message formatting, saved it, then re-entered the
Force
> HTML. Logged out.
> Just sent a test message and no change to the footer. UGH!
Did it change the message body itself to HTML?
If not, I note that you're using Thunderbird when replying in GMF.
If you have it set to show you the plain-text version of messages
then you will always see the plain-text footer, never the HTML
footer.
On one of the newer messages from your group, in Thunderbird, try
View | Message body as | Original HTML
> Is it a case of surrender and let groups.io win?
No.
But Thunderbird always wins.
Shal
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Bruce F, Force HTML set, and I REALLY want to get the HTML style footer on all
messages received by group members, it just won't happen! It won't if you also have Plain Text only set. I was wrong about that. I have sent HTML from Thunderbird and text from Thunderbird but none
are received with that required footer, so I can't see what the Force
HTML is supposed to achieve. Absent Plain Text Only, it is supposed to convert the incoming message to HTML, causing the HTML footer to be appended. My emails are set inwards as Viewed Always in HTML. But what are you actually receiving? Have you looked at the message source of any of these messages? It would appear to be a Thunderbird-created situation and in view of
the popularity of this email program I can't understand why groups.io
programmers haven't found a way to accommodate it. Presumably you see your own messages here with the HTML footer, just as you saw Chris Jones', right? (message #35101) So it isn't a Thunderbird thing, at least not on the receiving side. And you demonstrate with each of your messages posted here that you can send messages in HTML style. I've been using Thunderbird in all of my Groups.io groups for about six years now, and I have never seen the problem you describe. Messages here in GMF arrive with one footer or the other, depending on how they were sent, just as they are supposed to. In my test group I just tried having Force HTML checked but not Plain Text. I posted a text/plain message, and got it back with both text/plain and text/HTML message bodies. Displaying the text/HTML message body in Thunderbird did indeed show the formatted footer. And in Thunderbird selecting View | Message body as | Plain text for that very same message did indeed show me the plain text footer. So I think you still have a fundamental misunderstanding or misinterpretation somewhere in how you are performing your tests. Shal -- Help: /helpcenterMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Thanks, Shal
No doubt it will straighten itself out in the fullness of time!?
It was just a "perfectionist thing".
BTW: The footer I received from you was the "text format".
Cheers
Bruce Fairhall
On 18-Nov-20 2:53 pm, Shal Farley
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Bruce F,
> Force HTML set, and I REALLY want to get the HTML style
footer on all
> messages received by group members, it just won't happen!
It won't if you also have Plain Text only set. I was wrong about
that.
> I have sent HTML from Thunderbird and text from Thunderbird
but none
> are received with that required footer, so I can't see what
the Force
> HTML is supposed to achieve.
Absent Plain Text Only, it is supposed to convert the incoming
message to HTML, causing the HTML footer to be appended.
> My emails are set inwards as Viewed Always in HTML.
But what are you actually receiving? Have you looked at the
message source of any of these messages?
> It would appear to be a Thunderbird-created situation and in
view of
> the popularity of this email program I can't understand why
groups.io
> programmers haven't found a way to accommodate it.
Presumably you see your own messages here with the HTML footer,
just as you saw Chris Jones', right? (message #35101) So it isn't
a Thunderbird thing, at least not on the receiving side.
And you demonstrate with each of your messages posted here that
you can send messages in HTML style.
I've been using Thunderbird in all of my Groups.io groups for
about six years now, and I have never seen the problem you
describe. Messages here in GMF arrive with one footer or the
other, depending on how they were sent, just as they are supposed
to.
In my test group I just tried having Force HTML checked but not
Plain Text. I posted a text/plain message, and got it back with
both text/plain and text/HTML message bodies. Displaying the
text/HTML message body in Thunderbird did indeed show the
formatted footer. And in Thunderbird selecting View | Message body
as | Plain text for that very same message did indeed show me the
plain text footer.
So I think you still have a fundamental misunderstanding or
misinterpretation somewhere in how you are performing your tests.
Shal
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Bruce F,
.BTW: The footer I received from you was the "text format".
After all that I've said I hope you didn't find that surprising.
Shal
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