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The Yahoo groups put the quoted post at the bottom of the reply. Is there a setting in GIO, either for group or subscription, as to the placement of the quote (before or after the reply)?

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 01:49 PM, Bill Mosca wrote:

The Yahoo groups put the quoted post at the bottom of the reply. Is there a setting in GIO, either for group or subscription, as to the placement of the quote (before or after the reply)?

Bill -- This has been discussed at length here in GMF and in beta, and everyone seems to have their own opinion of what is "correct." The default behavior of the online message editor is no quoting at all, leaving it up to the individual. Personally, I like this approach...the incessant bottom-quoting of each successive message in Yahoo could get pretty ridiculous, especially for those who receive digests.

There is a "quote whole post" icon at the far left of the message editor, or if you select a section of the original message with your mouse before clicking Reply and it will be carried down into your message composition window. Of course, for those who respond via email, it depends entirely on the settings of their email client, and there is no way for groups.io to exercise any control over that.

If you wish to have specific quoting rules for your group, it will have to be enforced by moderation activities, not software.?

Regards,
Bruce

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 08:02 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 01:49 PM, Bill Mosca wrote:

The Yahoo groups put the quoted post at the bottom of the reply.

No it doesn't. Click the icon to quote the whole previous message and then do what you want.
You may have to instruct your members..

Is there

a setting in GIO, either for group or subscription, as to the placement of
the quote (before or after the reply)?

Bill -- This has been discussed at length here in GMF and in beta, and
everyone seems to have their own opinion of what is "correct." The default
behavior of the online message editor is no quoting at all, leaving it up to
the individual. Personally, I like this approach...the incessant
bottom-quoting of each successive message in Yahoo could get pretty
ridiculous, especially for those who receive digests.

That's why *in digests* the autotrim removes EVERYTHING under the last unindented line.
I myself would prefer to have it in individual messages too, like is optional in googlegroups.

groetjes, Ronaldo

Thanks for your suggestions, Bruce. And, yes, my group has discussed whether the quote should be at the top or bottom. Kinda like how toilet paper should be put on the roller.

I use a signature on some of my IO groups.

If I comment above a quote, my signature nevertheless goes at the bottom of the message, under the quote.?

In the future, I'll do a radical snip of the message and put that first, so my signature appears under my own words.

If you don't use an automatic signature, I guess this is a toilet paper thing.

Sandy

At 12:28 PM 12/16/2019, you wrote:

On 12-13-2019 11:02:36, Bruce Bowman (bruce.bowman@...) wrote:

The default behavior of the online message editor is no quoting at all,
leaving it up to the individual. Personally, I like this approach...

Unfortunately, especially on this list, not even partially quoting the original post frequently renders the response worthless for all but the OP.

Namaste', Art

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 01:41 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:

not even partially quoting the original post frequently renders the response worthless for all but the OP

Only if you don't take the time to go online to read the topic.

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On 2019-12-16 at 10:13 AM, Sandy Kozinn <skozinn@...> wrote:

I use a signature on some of my IO groups.

Regardless of where you put your text, consider putting a DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE before your signature, like what I have below. Many programs recognize this as the start of a signature and will exclude anything after it in replies. The space is critical.



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On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 08:46 PM, Duane wrote:

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 01:41 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:

not even partially quoting the original post frequently renders the
response worthless for all but the OP

Only if you don't take the time to go online to read the topic.

No, even if you do read the subjectline. No quote means you don't know what part of whose message the reply is to

groetjes, Ronaldo

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 07:24 PM, ro-esp wrote:

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 01:41 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:

not even partially quoting the original post frequently renders the
response worthless for all but the OP

Only if you don't take the time to go online to read the topic.

No, even if you do read the subjectline. No quote means you don't know what part of whose message the reply is to

groetjes, Ronaldo

Well, there is one workaround - if you are online, click to open the message.
Then change from "message" to "topic" at the top of the page.?
That topic will have a vertical blue line on the left side and you can then read the full context.
(At least it does in Safari on my MacBook.)

But quoting is better! Works in email.

Frances

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Quoting is sometimes essential, especially if some of your readers might be getting 50-100 emails a day.

If I wish to respond to a post saying they don't like a specific sentence in a book, then:

"I agree with X" is useless.

"When X says "that [book title] is not factual, I agree." is just slightly more useful.

"X said: [Book title] is not factual in that name are all wrong," followed by my "I agree" tells the reader what the discussions was about.

So what's quoted is whatever will let someone follow a conversation, without, of course, quoting all previous emails. A matter of judgement, as so many things are.

Sandy

On 16 Dec 2019 at 11:46, Duane wrote:

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 01:41 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:

not even partially quoting the original post frequently renders the
response worthless for all but the OP

Only if you don't take the time to go online to read the topic.

Why would those of us who are short of time anyway bother to do that when we
don't know if the topic is of any interest anyway. If people want their
messages to be understood they should take the trouble to ensure that by
quoting enough to make it clear what they are talking about - as you did in
this case.

Jim Fisher

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