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Hello,

All of my groups/subgroups are in the "Stage 3 of 4" import queue but with expected completion times of about a month.

AIUI, "Stage 1 of 4" exported a snapshot of all the available Yahoo group content and has safely saved it on Groups.io storage so there is no danger of loss of any historical content up to the point of export. The content is primarily just messages and static files - no photos, attachments, databases or such. Additional Yahoo group content subsequent to the GIO export will not be captured by GIO and will require manual transfer to GIO groups. Is this correct?

I am really only concerned about messages. Assuming the above is correct, what is the recommended path to follow regarding the timing of the member switch overs? I don't relish the prospect of manually importing volumes of messages to the GIO subgroups even if it is possible to correctly set dates and ownerships.

Should I send out invites, block further posts to Yahoo groups and force an immediate switch over to the target GIO subgroups?

Should I create temporary GIO subgroups for immediate usage and move the messages to the true target GIO subgroups subsequent to import completion? Is it even possible to move messages among subgroups and retain dates and ownerships connections?

Is it possible for a group owner to edit / reset posted message dates and ownership?

Will threads be preserved (indexed?) across the import - subsequent posts divide?

I expect that the GIO import process will preserve all Yahoo content attributes such as dates and ownership as related to the imported member lists. If a member subscribes to a GIO subgroup prior to the GIO import with the identical email address will that mess up any ownership or attribute connections?

Any insights regarding these topics will be appreciated.

Namaste', Art

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 09:35 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:

AIUI, "Stage 1 of 4" exported a snapshot of all the available Yahoo group content and has safely saved it on Groups.io storage so there is no danger of loss of any historical content up to the point of export. The content is primarily just messages and static files - no photos, attachments, databases or such. Additional Yahoo group content subsequent to the GIO export will not be captured by GIO and will require manual transfer to GIO groups. Is this correct?

Art -- That's the way I understand it.

I am really only concerned about messages. Assuming the above is correct, what is the recommended path to follow regarding the timing of the member switch overs? I don't relish the prospect of manually importing volumes of messages to the GIO subgroups even if it is possible to correctly set dates and ownerships.

Should I send out invites, block further posts to Yahoo groups and force an immediate switch over to the target GIO subgroups?

Your mileage may vary, depending largely on message volume and the general level of ongoing activity. But I think you should strongly consider that.?

Should I create temporary GIO subgroups for immediate usage and move the messages to the true target GIO subgroups subsequent to import completion?

I do not recommend this, because...

Is it even possible to move messages among subgroups and retain dates and ownerships connections?

...it is not possible.

Is it possible for a group owner to edit / reset posted message dates and ownership?

No.

Will threads be preserved (indexed?) across the import - subsequent posts divide?

I know that the threading algorithm is applied to imported messages in order to create topics, and much of the server load involved in the import involves the reconstruction of those threads. However, I wouldn't hang my hat on that working across the "divide" (as you so astutely put it). :-)

I expect that the GIO import process will preserve all Yahoo content attributes such as dates and ownership as related to the imported member lists. If a member subscribes to a GIO subgroup prior to the GIO import with the identical email address will that mess up any ownership or attribute connections?

I have heard conflicting reports. It's supposed to be retained, and Mark has stated that if this was so, it's unintentional (i.e.: a bug).

For what it's worth, there are mechanisms in place to reassign the ownership of photos, but not of files.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

I just completed an experiment for Bruce... One of my existing members joined our new empty group here, with the same email address, before the import. Bruce wondered it she still retained ownership of her messages AFTER the import, so I asked her to edit a message from 2016 in our newly imported group.

Voila! She was able to do so. Ownership was retained!

Also, her edit was sent for re-moderation and approval to post.

Hopefully, our little test will allay one worry about moving members and getting going here while awaiting import.?

What is her membership status? i.e. did she retain her join date of the yahoo date or is it the current join date? Not that most people will care, just curious.

Diane

When I migrated my Yahoo group over, I did not allow new members to join the new group. When the migration finished, I received a summary email explaining how many messages, files, photos, members were transferred, including a list of members that were not transferred. There was only one address not transferred, mine, because it was already subscribed.

All the join dates of the members were preserved, but mine was not. It’s a tiny bit of nostalgia lost, but not too bad.

If I were to do it over, I would have used a separate email address as the owner of the groups.io group, let all the members transfer in, then merged my new account into my old account to retain my join date.

Gilbert

On 11/5/2019 11:17 AM, Gilbert Coville wrote:

If I were to do it over, I would have used a separate email address as the owner of the groups.io group, let all the members transfer in, then merged my new account into my old account to retain my join date.
Gilbert

When I was setting up transfers last year, I used a different email address to create the groups at groups.io, as you suggest above.

After the groups transferred I then had two accounts, one as owner and one as a regular group member. I did not merge these, but instead I set the owner account to no mail delivery on each group to avoid getting two copies of messages by email.

With the two types of membership, I can now view the group's features and operation as either owner or member, which often helps in resolving other members' problems and questions.

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Bill

Awwww! I assumed the owners date would have been preserved, since we had to create the group.

Thanks for the info - had I known what to ask on October 18……

Diane

On Nov 5, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Gilbert Coville <gilbert-groups@...> wrote:

When I migrated my Yahoo group over, I did not allow new members to join the new group. When the migration finished, I received a summary email explaining how many messages, files, photos, members were transferred, including a list of members that were not transferred. There was only one address not transferred, mine, because it was already subscribed.

All the join dates of the members were preserved, but mine was not. It’s a tiny bit of nostalgia lost, but not too bad.

If I were to do it over, I would have used a separate email address as the owner of the groups.io group, let all the members transfer in, then merged my new account into my old account to retain my join date.

Gilbert

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Gilbert,
Thanks for your information. I created my groups at Groups.io with a different email address, but then added my Yahoo email that I used to create the Yahoo groups I am transferring. Since I read your advice, I removed the Yahoo owner email so it will get transferred back here with my group members. Nostalgia counts for something.?

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 01:28 AM, Diane wrote:

Awwww! I assumed the owners date would have been preserved, since we had to create the group.

Thanks for the info - had I known what to ask on October 18……

Me too :(? Perhaps once the Yahoo exodus is over we could ask Support whether our join dates can be changed.? I'd love for my group's creation date to be changed too since it has dated from the first message, not the date it was actually created on ONEList ? ?

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 04:58 AM, Janis wrote:

Nostalgia counts for something.?

Indeed it does!

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 08:35 AM, Diane wrote:

What is her membership status? i.e. did she retain her join date

Nope, she has a new recent join date. In our groups, that means nothing, though.?