I just got my yahoo group transfered to gio.
I am receiving numerous messages that members are leaving the gio -unsubscribing?
Is there some automatic culling of emails going on?
I cannot believe so many would be leaving on the first day.

Max Munger

This is common - lots of people who signed up ages ago and have not “read” emails or lists will suddenly notice that they don’t want to be in there after all. This happened with our big Groups on transfer - not one name was familiar to me (we mod all posts, so see all the regulars regularly..) You are better off without.. And they can always ask to rejoin…

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 04:45 PM, MILLARD MUNGER wrote:

I am receiving numerous messages that members are leaving the gio -unsubscribing?

Well they may or may not be; have a close look at the Notifications that you receive when anyone leaves.

If there is a mention of being removed for "marking a message as spam" then the members concerned have been automatically "dismembered", most likely by their Mail Service Provider. See this from the GMF wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam for more information.

It may be that your (ex) members have simply decided to leave; the group I moderate had more than a few of those when we migrated last December. We suspected that they were on "no emails" and the notification they received telling them about the move to Groups.io (not excluded by their "no email" choice) acted as a trigger for their realising that they were no longer interested so they just left of their own accord.

As I mentioned above, have a closer look at the Notifications that you are receiving.

Chris

Max, most likely this unsubscribe phenomena you're seeing right after the transfer is due to all your inactive list members finding out they were transferred, are not participating on your group, and have decided it's time to simply unsub.? Many may have been on No Mail, and didn't even realize they were still subscribed to your list.? Happened to me as well.? I transferred two large Yahoo groups (around 5,000 list members each), so we have quite a few unsubscriptions for about 3-4 days after the transfer.? This is the is pretty normal.

Patty Sliney

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If they are marking the messages as spam ?and removing them from the spam folder they will be unsubed. Or they might just be leaving.?Let them I say, they will either come back, or they won’t. Maybe they were on digest on yahoo and forgot about that. I’ve learned as a mod to just say bye to?the ones who don’t want to ?stay and not cry over it. They ?will be back soon, or not.

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I will be sending a followup on yahoo remind g old members to take a new look at gio.
Hope they will come back.

Max Munger

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On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 Sarah k Alawami <[email protected]> wrote:

Sad phenom, but necessary I guess.

Max Munger

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 07:18 PM, MILLARD MUNGER wrote:

I will be sending a followup on yahoo remind g old members to take a new look at gio.
Hope they will come back.

All well and good, but did you take up my earlier suggestion to look at the Notifications that you receive; these notifications will tell you whether the members left of their own accord of whether they were "removed" automatically.

Chris

On 18/07/18 03:22 PM, MILLARD MUNGER wrote:

Is there some automatic culling of emails going on?

At least three things are happening:
* People that tried, and failed to unsubscribe from Yahoo, discover
their "toss into spam" filter no longer works, so they look at the
message, see an unsubscribe address, and use it;
* People that don't recognize the email address, and promptly toss the
message, unread, into spam;
* People that want to read messages, getting bounced, because a
"significant percentage" of users of their email vendor have decreed the
email address of the sender to be spam, triggering specific protocol
settings;

Within the first week, the list will receive messages from individuals,
wanting to know why you involuntarily subscribed them to the list.
Usually, but not always, these are individuals who tossed list-mail
straight into the trash, starting more than five years ago. They have
forgotten that they were ever subscribed to the list.
Regardless of how well you think you've prepared the list for the
migration, individuals in this group will have little idea of what is
going on. Telling them they should have read list mail, or even worse,
claiming that it was clearly discussed on some non-YahooGroups site,
will result in pithy flames directed at the list-moderator, and list-owner.

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My suggestion is that the first message sent to the group state:
* This is the new home of "name and email address of previous home";
* Everybody in the subscriber list of the previous home was added here;
* For those that think that they are new here, you probably repeatedly
tried, and failed to unsubscribe from the list at the previous home.
Thus, you wrote a filter to throw everything into trash, and have
forgotten about this list;
* Directions on how to unsubscribe;
* Directions on how to get all list mail from Groups.IO to go to the
same email address;

The second message sent to the group should state:
* What the list is about;
* The history of the list;
* The future plans of the list;

The third message sent to the group should state:
* The rules of the list;
* An explanation of why those rules are in place;

The fourth message sent to the group should declare that it is now open
for user participation.

I cannot believe so many would be leaving on the first day.

If membership dropped by more than a third, I'd be concerned. Less than
that, and you're probably looking at the cumulative effects of longterm
issues in unsubscribing from YahooGroups.

On second thoughts, I'd be concerned if the list was the official
Internet communication channel for an organization, and these were
current members. I'd privately contact the unsubscribed individuals,
asking for an explanation, and file a report with the Board of
Directors, stating that x% / # members had unsubscribed from the list.

jonathon