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What to do if your YGroup's transfer to Groups.io is incomplete? . . . . . . .


 

Gentle GMF Members,

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Got the email reply ref EZ Groups Transfer after sending an invite for Groups.io to join my YGroups group.


One important thing mentioned in the email ¨Capart from the things to do to prepare for the transfer¨C was a remark that due to YG's current unreliability it could happen that Groups.io 'may not be able to transfer over all of [our] messages, photos or files.'


This email says that should such a thing happen that Groups.io would tell us which things were not transferred.? So, in such a case would we then have an opportunity to make a 2nd transfer request asking that the things which had been 'left behnd' could be moved?


Or, is a 2nd attempt to transfer any 'left behind' things not something that Groups.io is able to do?


Comments?? Suggestions?


Regards,


Paul M.

CostaRicaLiving Group Owner / Moderator

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Paul,

So, in such a case would we then have an opportunity to make a 2nd transfer request asking that the things which had been 'left behnd' could be moved?


Or, is a 2nd attempt to transfer any 'left behind' things not something that Groups.io is able to do?


Yes, you can.

If you go to the "In Process" page for the completed transfer there's a red button at the bottom that will allow you to delete the old transfer status. Then you initiate a new transfer from the same Y!Group to the Groups.io group, selecting only the sections that were missing.

If a section was only partially copied (e.g. some files copied, some not) I believe the automation will automatically skip any content that is already present in the Groups.io group, but I haven't tested that (and haven't had to, knock-on-wood).

The idea here is that some of Yahoo Groups' failures have been sporadic, so it is possible that a second attempt may be able to copy some items that hadn't been accessible the first time. If you can now access (using the normal Yahoo Group web page) any of the items listed as not transferred, then there's a good chance that the transfer agent will be able to now also. If you can't, maybe wait in hope that you can later.

Also, if you can now it would likely be prudent to go ahead and download them manually (if there aren't so many as to make that impractical), just in case.

Shal


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Paul,
? I think you are worrying about stuff that is highly unlikely.? I've now been a
participant is about 20 different transfers - as a member, as a moderator,
and as an owner - and none of them had problems.
? The only 'left behinds' were for one truly large group (over 10,000 members)
and it had a couple of hundred members that weren't transferred ... because
they were bouncing on YG.? A member that is bouncing can not be moved
and they can't be contacted to say 'what do you want to do?'.??
? That same large yahoo group had a lot of members 'who just hadn't taken
themselves off the YG' ... and so, for the first couple of weeks only, we had a
fairly large number of "this member has left groups.io" - because they didn't
want to be on the group any more.? I suppose it is possible that a few of
them objected to groups.io - but no one told us that (I was a moderator on
that group).

? Relax and just do it.? The transfer process is smooth and you will not
have complaints about being on groups.io from your members.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Jim

P.S. My only "problem" with the transfer process is that there are still some
? ? ? ?groups on yahoo that I'm a member of that haven't transferred yet!


Southenders Admin
 

This happened to my group during transfer. About 1/3 of the photos in my group were left behind. I contacted support, and was told to start a new transfer for only that area--unchecking every other box, after I deleted what was transferred. While it made me nervous and took about a week, the new photos showed up.?
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RickGlaz
 

I'm assuming when the member count on the .IO specific-Group WEB Home page
"jumps" and you also get a Welcome message from the Group, (to a spare test account),
at that point the system "thinks" it is done. (Correct?)

(After that.)
IF toggling the message view button in the upper right hand corner on the
Groups .IO WEB message reader page jumps 5 years suddenly going in reverse,
would that be an indication the transfer is incomplete for messages,
or an indexing and or a display problem?

Welcome message went out around 6am today, should I wait and check tomorrow?
(I last looked at 9-10am and ONLY at the messages and stopped...)

Disclaimer: I am looking as a normal MEMBER and have no elevated privileges
in that specific Group.

Off group messages are OK...

Rick

On April 11, 2018 at 4:12 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:


Paul,

So, in such a case would we then have an opportunity to make a 2nd transfer
request asking that the things which had been 'left behnd' could be moved?


Or, is a 2nd attempt to transfer any 'left behind' things not something
that Groups.io is able to do?
Yes, you can.

If you go to the "In Process" page for the completed transfer there's a red
button at the bottom that will allow you to delete the old transfer status.
Then you initiate a new transfer from the same Y!Group to the Groups.io
group, selecting only the sections that were missing.

If a section was only partially copied (e.g. some files copied, some not) I
believe the automation will automatically skip any content that is already
present in the Groups.io group, but I haven't tested that (and haven't had
to, knock-on-wood).

The idea here is that some of Yahoo Groups' failures have been sporadic, so
it is possible that a second attempt may be able to copy some items that
hadn't been accessible the first time. If you can now access (using the
normal Yahoo Group web page) any of the items listed as not transferred,
then there's a good chance that the transfer agent will be able to now
also. If you can't, maybe wait in hope that you can later.

Also, if you can now it would likely be prudent to go ahead and download
them manually (if there aren't so many as to make that impractical), just
in case.

Shal
Sent from my WEBmail.


 

Rick,

I'm assuming when the member count on the .IO specific-Group WEB Home page
"jumps" and you also get a Welcome message from the Group, (to a spare test account),
at that point the system "thinks" it is done. (Correct?)

I'm not sure of the exact timing of when the member count might bump up, but when you receive the "You have been added" message and/or the group's Welcome member notice then it is complete.

I know that the members are copied into the Groups.io group first, before the other content. So I don't know if the count is of itself a reliable indicator.

IF toggling the message view button in the upper right hand corner on the
Groups .IO WEB message reader page jumps 5 years suddenly going in reverse,
would that be an indication the transfer is incomplete for messages,
or an indexing and or a display problem?

Again, I don't know the details of how the content is copied in. When you first see old messages from the Y!Group appear then the copy has probably finished, at least for messages - I think that likely goes quickly if not at once.

Disclaimer: I am looking as a normal MEMBER and have no elevated privileges
in that specific Group.

The specific owner/moderator of the Groups.io group who initiated the transfer will also get a transfer complete notice from Groups.io. But for a member of the group there are only the two notices I mentioned, and both are optional. That is, the owner/mod could have chosen to send neither a "You've been added" nor a "Welcome" notice to the Y!Group members that were copied in.

Also, if you joined the Groups.io group before the transfer then your address won't be copied in during the transfer and you won't receive either notice.

Shal


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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 08:42 am, RickGlaz wrote:
IF toggling the message view button in the upper right hand corner on the
Groups .IO WEB message reader page jumps 5 years suddenly going in reverse,
would that be an indication the transfer is incomplete for messages,
or an indexing and or a display problem?
Seems to me that's an indication that:

  • your group transfer is probably complete, and
  • your message archives span 5 years.
That sort-order button almost caught me on one occasion -- I believe it was right here in GMF -- when I didn't realize I had changed it and began to compose a reply to a message from 2014 or so.?Fortunately, I figured it out before hitting "send"...but I realized that if I could make that mistake, others could too. At that point I changed my own group settings so all topics are locked after 60 days.

Bruce


RickGlaz
 

Thanks Shal and Bruce,
The missing messages ARE searchable. I looked/searched all the way back to 2001...
And searched what "appeared" to be one of the the missing years (2014) during the reverse
stepping I tried to describe.

(Went right now, looked and...)
I narrowed it down. The WEB site display at .IO seems to use multiple numbering segments
(or bands of numbers) and when reversing inside different bands of sequences the results
are VERY odd... Example, years going missing, messages assigned impossible numbers
because we were not here when those number would have been assigned.
In any event, this is an issue Group Owners can't solve on their own...
Seems like a Yahoo export issue or a .IO import one...
I think I need to get into a "beta test" group here... (The beta group does not test...)<??>

Disclaimer: If something that seems impossible is happening, I seem to root it out very easily...

Rick


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 09:01 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 08:42 am, RickGlaz wrote:
IF toggling the message view button in the upper right hand corner on the
Groups .IO WEB message reader page jumps 5 years suddenly going in reverse,
would that be an indication the transfer is incomplete for messages,
or an indexing and or a display problem?
Seems to me that's an indication that:

  • your group transfer is probably complete, and
  • your message archives span 5 years.
That sort-order button almost caught me on one occasion -- I believe it was right here in GMF -- when I didn't realize I had changed it and began to compose a reply to a message from 2014 or so.?Fortunately, I figured it out before hitting "send"...but I realized that if I could make that mistake, others could too. At that point I changed my own group settings so all topics are locked after 60 days.

Bruce