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I'm talking here about the Directory, not the member list under the Admin button.
In Admin settings, I have the member directory setting set to "subscribers" A member, not a moderator, has his profile privacy setting (under his Subscription, Group Profile, Edit Group Profile) set to "Other members of your group".? A moderator has the same setting in his account. Why is it that the member can only see 3 others including himself (I currently have 8 testing the group, 3 moderators and 5 "members"); whereas the moderators can see all 8 in Directory Any clue what I'm clearly missing?? Obviously (?) there is something unique on the 3 that are showing, and the other 5 that are not, but darn if i see it... |
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Moderators will be able to see everyone.? Members will only be able to see other members that have enabled "Other members of your group".? It's easy for a moderator to forget to set this since they can see them all anyway.
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In Account Profile, Identity, each member can decide on their settings.
"You can customize your profile for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your account profile will automatically apply to each group profile, with the exception of those specific fields in each group profile that you've previously customized." Frances |
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Thanks, Duane.? I'll do some checking, but:
one member (who's a member, not a mod) can see all 8 in the group in the Directory; another member (who's also a member, not a mod) can only see 3 in the group in the Directory, including himself so there must be something else going on to explain that... your explanation that other members need to have enabled "other members of your group" to show up, doesn't explain why 1 sees all 8, and another 1 sees only 3. |
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The way I understand it, the Directory is a essentially a listing of group profiles for those members who have chosen to create one. As such, only those who have a profile and choose to share it with others will show up.
Although group owners can restrict directory visibility to Moderators or even disable it altogether, they cannot force visibility between subscribers who haven't opted in.? Bruce |
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I would love to see an enhancement so that the moderator/owner can decide what the default should be.? Either Directory On or Off.? I would like every member to appear in the directory with the minimum of their profile/user name always displayed.? At the user level, they can decide whether their photo and email address is accessible to other members, but their profile name would always be there by default.? I'm experience some of the anomalies that others are reporting in that different group members are seeing different results and because it's not consistent or explainable, I'm forced to disable the entire feature.? ~ Linda
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 08:24 am, Linda Prain wrote:
I would love to see an enhancement so that the moderator/owner can decide what the default should be.? Either Directory On or Off.? I would like every member to appear in the directory with the minimum of their profile/user name always displayed.? At the user level, they can decide whether their photo and email address is accessible to other members, but their profile name would always be there by default.? I'm experience some of the anomalies that others are reporting in that different group members are seeing different results and because it's not consistent or explainable, I'm forced to disable the entire feature.?Much of the confusion surrounding the Directory is the fact that all entries are visible to Moderators and Owners.?To that end, I recommend that you establish a second email address for yourself and subscribe that address to the group without special privileges. That way you can get a better idea of what things look like for your Subscribers. There is already a Directory on/off setting. I think what you're asking for is a three-way decision:? Completely Off, Forced On, and User Opt In. And in your [proposed] Forced On version, everyone would have an entry in the Directory, whether they establish a profile or not. This notion kinda violates the "spirit" of the Directory as an index of user profiles, but I can see no obvious reason why this third option shouldn't be made available. Assuming we're still on the same page,?keep in mind that both the Display Name and the User Name are optional fields, along with everything else in the profile. If was possible to force people into the Directory and nothing is populated, it will display their email address. Since this is not much different from the existing Members List, you might want to consider making that available to subscribers instead. See Admin->Settings->Privacy->Members Visible. I hope something in there helps. Regards, Bruce ? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
On Jun 21, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:I believe every member should be in the Directory, and that every member should be able to send a direct message to anyone through the Directory. The sender's email address will be revealed, but the receiver's will not. Receivers should then be able to block future messages from any sender of a Directory-sent message as an option in that message and the Blocked sender should receive a Blocked notification so that they know their message was received but no future messages will be accepted. There could be a field (displaying their email address) in the joining process with the instruction that it will be their Group Members' only Directory listing unless the prospective member changes it to their "First and Last Name", "Display Name", or "User Name" (group Owner's choice); and if not changed that will be their email address. The word ¡°Directory¡± would be a clickable link that would explain what the Directory is and how it works, with a picture what the Directory looks like. |
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Bruce,
If was possible to force people into the Directory and nothing isPlease no. The Directory does not and I think should not ever show member email addresses. As you pointed out, for that there is the Members list. That does leave the open question of what should be displayed if the member has not populated any of their profile fields (or has emptied them). The joined date would remain; the All Posts By link and the Email button could still work. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:40 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Please no. The Directory does not and I think should not ever show member email addresses.Perhaps I spoke too soon.? I edited the Display Name out of my profile. The Directory then showed my email address but without domain information.?I thought the ellipsis (...) was there because my email address was too long to display fully, but perhaps it's a protection feature. Please try it yourself. Thanks, Bruce ? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 04:39 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The Directory then showed my email address but without domain information.?I thought the ellipsis (...) was there because my email address was too long to display fully, but perhaps it's a protection feature.I also tested and don't have the domain either.? I tried setting the group to NOT mask email addresses in the archives and that made no difference in what was shown in the Directory.? I think this will be minimal protection because you could try a few of the major email service domains and probably get an email to most people.? The only ones more protected would be those using the less well known domains or their own email server. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Bruce, I edited the Display Name out of my profile. The Directory then showed my email address but without domain information.? ?I stand corrected. If the member has no Display Name the User Name is shown instead. If the member has neither then the "fig-leafed" email address (mailbox name only, the part to the left of the @)? is shown. I thought the ellipsis (...) was there because my email address was too long to display fully, but perhaps it's a protection feature. ?It is a protection feature, and is used site-wide where members might see an email address (mostly message bodies). Except in the Members list (if made available to members) or if the group is set to "Do not mask email addresses in the archives". But as Duane said, for most people it isn't much protection. ? I don't like this answer, but it is the same answer as shown for postings by that member. So in that sense is likely "correct". I don't like the answer because it means that the fall-back position is to effectively show email addresses; and it is precisely members who most want to be anonymous who would be likely to naively eschew setting a User or Display name. Feels like it violates the principle of least astonishment. On the other hand, Groups.io does attempt to fill in a user's Display name from any available source. Including Direct Add, Invite, and the From field of +subscribe addresses and responses to email verification messages. So just how did the naive user manage to avoid having a Display Name? Well, possibly be deleting it after the fact. Other than going to something as ugly as a user number, I'm not sure what to suggest. And now that I think about this I'm pretty sure this was hashed out in beta ("back in the day") and this was accepted as the least ugly result. There may even have been discussion of doing as some forum systems do: assign such users a generated Display Name - such as by combining two words from word lists chosen to be inoffensive and unlikely to be used in actual names. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:40 am, Shal Farley wrote:
I stand corrected.I think we both stand corrected. :-)? Just hoping in this context the point I made to the OP retains a little of its validity.? Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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