Re: help to decipher header
Win, So what can I do about it? If it is just a one-off delay, not much. You could check the Email Delivery History tab on your Subscription page for the group in question. If there is a recent message that has been posted but hasn't arrived in your email Inbox that will often (not always) show in the Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt panel. If that panel does show that your email service deliberately deferred a message you can then report the response to you your email service's technical support and ask if there is any way to prevent that from happening for messages from Groups.io as a sender. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:56:37 -0700, "Beth Weld" <bethweld77@...> wrote: seems like the subgroups really act as separate entities for a lot of things including storage limits I thought the storage limit included all subgroups and the main group combined, not separate limits for each. Did something change, or did I misunderstand the storage limits? Donald ---------------------------------------------------- Some ham radio groups you may be interested in: /g/ICOM/g/Ham-Antennas/g/HamRadioHelp
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Chris, Shal; your post covered several points within the overall subject, so
it was not easy to decide which bit to quote! I'd say quote in segments, but that's not as easy to do on site as it is in Thunderbird. ... it is easy to add bits without screwing up the entire document; Granted. But how much gets renumbered depends on how high up in level structure, and how early within each level the insertion or deletion occurs. Without numbering trying to refer anyone to any given section may be
unnecessarily problematic, so for now at least I think numbering is
(much) better than /no/ numbering. I think using a section title as the text of a link, and the permalink as its URL would work out fine. Even without permalinks at all levels (as I'd prefer), the browser URLs you can obtain from the address bar in the current multi-page document at least gets the user to the right page, and citing the subsection title from there is an easy scroll + eyeball search. Having said that I have found other concerns; ... These of course can be brought to the docs group for improvement / correction. Or, perhaps update or create the relevant pages in GMF's wiki first, if you'd like to have both a more immediate "fixed" text that you can cite, as well as offering it to others for review. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Hello, they have to be a member of the sub group before they can become a moderator. So in the members list, you need to look for them an application if they have applied to the sub room, and then under where it says member, change that to Moderator and then select their permissions.
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On Apr 19, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Carla J Fette / Membership Committee <carla@...> wrote:
I'm Owner of a Group and created a Sub-Group. How do I make a Member of my Group a Moderator of the Sub-Group?
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I'm Owner of a Group and created a Sub-Group.? How do I make a Member of my Group a Moderator of the Sub-Group?
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Re: Is there a way to download/export member lists from the main group and all subgroups as one file?
Apologies Duane,
That one is .csv to .json.
Tony
On 19 Apr 2020 at 21:02, Tony Moody wrote about :
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Duane,
I have no idea about the security of this but for me it worked well. I used it as a tool to learn
about json.
You can try this tool I made: Mr. Data Converter
It converts to JSON, XML and others.
It's all client side, too, so your data never leaves your computer. Shan Carter
OK,
Tony
On 19 Apr 2020 at 10:51, Duane wrote about :
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:02 PM, Beth Weld wrote:
I have exported the main json files (as well as the subgroups), but I can't figure out if the file
contains the data that I need, and if so, how to extract it from that file.
Once unzipped, the export will have a json file for the main group, as well as one for each
subgroup. The same information is included in each, so will be as complete as you can get. I've
been looking for a program that I could download to convert from json to csv, with nothing but bad
luck. I did find an online converter, , that seems to handle it
properly, but am a bit leery of using it. I don't feel comfortable having 'private' information
converted, even though the site says it doesn't save the information.
Duane
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Re: Is there a way to download/export member lists from the main group and all subgroups as one file?
Duane,
I have no idea about the security of this but for me it worked well. I used it as a tool to learn
about json.
You can try this tool I made: Mr. Data Converter
It converts to JSON, XML and others.
It's all client side, too, so your data never leaves your computer. Shan Carter
OK,
Tony
On 19 Apr 2020 at 10:51, Duane wrote about :
Subject : Re: [GMF] Is there a way to downloa
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:02 PM, Beth Weld wrote:
I have exported the main json files (as well as the subgroups), but I can't figure out if the file
contains the data that I need, and if so, how to extract it from that file.
Once unzipped, the export will have a json file for the main group, as well as one for each
subgroup. The same information is included in each, so will be as complete as you can get. I've
been looking for a program that I could download to convert from json to csv, with nothing but bad
luck. I did find an online converter, , that seems to handle it
properly, but am a bit leery of using it. I don't feel comfortable having 'private' information
converted, even though the site says it doesn't save the information.
Duane
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Re: Going from premium to free
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:01 PM, Cal wrote:
will I lose the premium features (direct add, subgroups) immediately?
Since your groups were created before January 15, you won't lose the subgroup feature. Duane -- GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiThe official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center.
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Re: Is there a way to download/export member lists from the main group and all subgroups as one file?
Thanks Duane,
I share your concern about having my data floating out there.? I also end up with separate files that then have to be combined, but seems like the subgroups really act as separate entities for a lot of things including storage limits.? Interesting, but not as helpful as it could be.
Beth
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Re: Is there a way to download/export member lists from the main group and all subgroups as one file?
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:02 PM, Beth Weld wrote:
I have exported the main json files (as well as the subgroups), but I can't figure out if the file contains the data that I need, and if so, how to extract it from that file.
Once unzipped, the export will have a json file for the main group, as well as one for each subgroup.? The same information is included in each, so will be as complete as you can get.? I've been looking for a program that I could download to convert from json to csv, with nothing but bad luck.? I did find an online converter, , that seems to handle it properly, but am a bit leery of using it.? I don't feel comfortable having 'private' information converted, even though the site says it doesn't save the information. Duane -- GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiThe official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center.
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Re: Is there a way to download/export member lists from the main group and all subgroups as one file?
Thanks Bruce,
hmmmmm
First, I have my stuff set for infinite scroll,and like the database feature, it doesn't work on the subgroup listing.? I also have the fun of having to scroll many screens to the right (we used long subgroup names) for each member.? With 500+ members.
Seems like if we can see it in the main group settings, the base code is already set up, and we should be able to get a file. I guess I'll go ask for it because I will need to do this periodically, and I'm too lazy to copy downloads into files and then try to massage them.
Ideas are always welcome....
Beth
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Re: Is there a way to download/export member lists from the main group and all subgroups as one file?
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:02 PM, Beth Weld wrote:
I have a group with at least 25 subgroups, and I need a list of every member with the subgroups that they belong to. Without downloading each individual subgroup separately, is there a way to conceptually download the contents of the main/settings/subgroup/members listing???
Beth -- The only way I've found to achieve this objective is to go to?Admin>Subgroups?and copy-and-paste the displayed membership table into an Excel workbook. Consider going to? /account?page=prefs?and increasing your account's "Items Per Page" setting beforehand. I say all that with the caveat that I haven't attempted this with a group having 25+ subgroups. Please report back and let us know if it works. ? Good luck, Bruce
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Re: Going from premium to free
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Cal wrote:
If I switch a group back to free now, will it wait until the end of the 12 months, or will I lose the premium features (direct add, subgroups) immediately?? If it's the latter, how can tell the system that I don't want to renew the premium without killing the premium features immeidately?
Cal -- At the bottom of the "change plan" page (/g/GROUPNAME/plans), it says the following: "You can change plans at any time. If downgrading, the downgrade will take effect after the currently paid period." This seems fairly clear, although I haven't actually done it myself. Regards, Bruce?
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Is there a way to download/export member lists from the main group and all subgroups as one file?
I have a group with at least 25 subgroups, and I need a list of every member with the subgroups that they belong to. Without downloading each individual subgroup separately, is there a way to conceptually download the contents of the main/settings/subgroup/members listing???
I have exported the main json files (as well as the subgroups), but I can't figure out if the file contains the data that I need, and if so, how to extract it from that file. I have Excel 2016, and it doesn't have the "easy" way to import json files apparently.
Thanks
Beth
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Going from premium to free
Some of our groups began as annual premium for the Yahoo Groups transfers.? We're looking to have those be free groups after the year is over.
If I switch a group back to free now, will it wait until the end of the 12 months, or will I lose the premium features (direct add, subgroups) immediately?? If it's the latter, how can tell the system that I don't want to renew the premium without killing the premium features immeidately?
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Re: help to decipher header
So what can I do about it?
Win
On 20/04/2020 1:21 am, Duane wrote:
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 08:48 AM, WBennett wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, but 99.999999 % of times,
my mail comes back immediately.
That doesn't mean there's not a limiter in place. It's only when
it's exceeded that you'd see a delay.
Duane
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 08:48 AM, WBennett wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, but 99.999999 % of times, my mail comes back immediately.
That doesn't mean there's not a limiter in place. It's only when it's exceeded that you'd see a delay. Duane -- GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiThe official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center.
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Re: help to decipher header
Thanks for the suggestion, but
99.999999 % of times, my mail comes back immediately.
This particular happening is an anomaly, which was why I sent in
the screen capture... and other emails sent to my group at the
same time (just minutes apart), came through normally.
Win
On 19/04/2020 9:38 pm, Lena wrote:
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On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 05:02 PM, WBennett wrote:
I've had emails delayed in arriving back in my InBox, yet they had appeared
pretty well immediately in the messages on my groups homepage.
Does it mean in the screen capture below, that groups.io held back my message
for 16 hours before it was sent back to me? If so, why did this happen?
Likely your ISP ratelimits messages from groups.io
like mentioned in the first paragraph on
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Re: help to decipher header
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 05:02 PM, WBennett wrote: I've had emails delayed in arriving back in my InBox, yet they had appeared
pretty well immediately in the messages on my groups homepage.
Does it mean in the screen capture below, that groups.io held back my message
for 16 hours before it was sent back to me? If so, why did this happen? Likely your ISP ratelimits messages from groups.io like mentioned in the first paragraph on
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 07:26 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
An argument against section numbers in the online version has been made, noting that those numbers "rot" as the document content evolves: Add a new section and that changes the numbering of ensuing sections at the same level. That kind of behavior is a poor experience for an online document that is supposed to be revised as needed. The text that you read in section 1.3 just now might be in section 1.4 seconds after you cite it.
Shal; your post covered several points within the overall subject, so it was not easy to decide which bit to quote! I can see the point you are making above, but have reservations about it. I can see that "rot" could be a problem with draft and early issues of a document, but over time things should stabilise, perhaps following the early part of a bathtub curve, hopefully never reaching the end where the curve shoots rapidly upwards again! Where numbering exists in the form that is currently used (in the pdf version, obvs) it is easy to add bits without screwing up the entire document; an existing example is section 4.4.X. where X is currently in the range 1 to 9. That could easily become a range of 1 to 99 without it upsetting anything else in the process. Without numbering trying to refer anyone to any given section may be unnecessarily problematic, so for now at least I think numbering is (much) better than no numbering. Having said that I have found other concerns; while the sections about Files (15) and Photos (17) have this warning very close to the beginning of each section: Note: Group owners determine whether the Files feature is available in their groups and, if it is, who canview and upload files: all members or only owners and moderators. (or Photos as the case may be) A little later there are sections for Uploading Files / Uploading Photos with tables showing the sequence of operations to be carried out. Below each of those sections there is another caveat: Note: If the Upload File button or Upload Directory button is not available, either the group has reachedits storage limit or members are not allowed to upload files to the group.Now IMHO that caveat ought to be the first entry in the table, not appended underneath it where the member will not see it until after he or she has tried to follow the instructions and failed. Another concern is that while things like setting up, Files, Photos, and Hashtags (and so on) each have their own defined sections there is no defined section about Attachments, although various salient points about them are included overall. What is not included (as far as I can see after several searches) is the highly salient point that a Group Owner may have decided not to enable attachments, so a member who finds that their attachments don't work will find no help from the Members Manual whatsoever. At the moment I am reluctantly coming to the conclusion that in the event of any "difficulty" arising I could not with a clear conscience point any enquiring member towards the Manual for fear that they won't be able to find an answer, and even more relucantly coming to the conclusion that my trying to iron out any initial anomalies may be a fruitless exercise. Chris
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Carla J Fette / Admin
Duane
Bruce
Lena