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Re: Subgroup members

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:20 PM, Cal wrote:
If I invite/add someone, do they also have to be members of the main group, or can they be members of the subgroup only?
I believe if you Invite someone to join a subgroup, and (s)he accepts, (s)he is also added to the main group. If your main group is on the Premium plan, I'm pretty sure?Direct Add behaves the same way.

If you're on the Basic plan, you have to first Invite the person to the main group and then Direct Add them to the subgroup after they accept.

There is no provision within groups.io to subscribe someone to a subgroup while keeping them out of the main group. If you need to do that, you must set up separate groups.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Subgroup members

 

I'm about to add/invite folks to a subgroup.
If I invite/add someone, do they also have to be members of the main group, or can they be members of the subgroup only?
Re: Export all from Groups.io for local backup, migration #export #transfer

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 07:28 PM, Beth Coleman wrote:
I'm interested in whether you have identified any MBOX converter tools that are inexpensive or free to enable the conversion of the MBOX format to a CSV file? I wish to export for analysis in a spreadsheet. I see there are several MBOX converter programs in the Apple store.
Beth -- I'm told that Apple Mail can open an mbox file and export the messages as PDF or RTF (ref:?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/32810).?If you must have it in CSV format you will probably need the MacUncle add-on (). If I'm reading this correctly, you will have to pay a licensing fee to convert more than 25 messages.

Caveat:? I have not actually attempted this. In more than 40 years of personal computing I've never owned an Apple device of any kind.

Good luck,
Bruce?
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Re: Export all from Groups.io for local backup, migration #export #transfer

 

Hi Tom,

Although this reply comes over 2 years following your initial post, perhaps you are able to answer.

I'm interested in whether you have identified any MBOX converter tools that are inexpensive or free to enable the conversion of the MBOX format to a CSV file? I wish to export for analysis in a spreadsheet. I see there are several MBOX converter programs in the Apple store. Perhaps you are already using a tool you like for conversion. If not perhaps you know of one that suits the need??

Thanks, looking forward to your suggestions.
Beth Coleman
Re: Help figure out DMARC failure

 
Edited

My company uses Microsoft 365 (formerly Office 365) and I enforce SPF, DKIM and DMARC but I have the latter set to "reject" 100% outright and I have no problems getting any and all mail from GIO.

You sorta answered your own question where you mentioned that GIO would rewrite headers. It means GIO will create "Send On Behalf" entries for the To line. This is perfectly acceptable by M365.

For instance, individual post emails are structured as: [Group Name]@groups.io on behalf of [Subscriber Display Name] via groups.io <[psuedo subscriber email address]@groups.io>

Our DMARC record looks like:?"v=DMARC1;p=reject;pct=100;rua=mailto:rua@..."

In my experience, there is no need to change your SPF or do anything else to accommodate GIO servers.
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Sincerely,
Jim
Re: member unsubscribed for 'marking a message as spam'?

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With?what is going on in the world,?very few people are actually going away for long periods of time.
What you can do if you notice they didn't rejoin, write to them to find out why.
They can always apply again if it isn't a paid group or if it is a paid group the owner can put them back into?the group.
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Date: 8/5/2020 4:44:15 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] member unsubscribed for 'marking a message as spam'?
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On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 20:22:10 +0100, "Jim Fisher" <ejf@...>
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> Lots of people going
>away on holiday deliberately avoid using the internet while away, and that
>often means two weeks or more off-line.
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Everyone I know who goes on a vacation or camping takes their
electronic devices with them to keep in touch, take pictures of their
memories, etc.
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There are very few that I know who leave them behind to get away from
everything.
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Donald
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Re: member unsubscribed for 'marking a message as spam'?

 

Jim . . .

On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 20:22:10 +0100, "Jim Fisher" <ejf@...>
wrote:

Lots of people going
away on holiday deliberately avoid using the internet while away, and that
often means two weeks or more off-line.
Everyone I know who goes on a vacation or camping takes their
electronic devices with them to keep in touch, take pictures of their
memories, etc.

There are very few that I know who leave them behind to get away from
everything.

Donald


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Re: Receiving Multiple Copies of Same Daily Digest

 


Could it possibly be related to the fact that GIO was down for maintenance, and will be again? Maybe the Digest function was working, but since any posts during the maintenance time were queued, the updated Digest would be the same as the previous one. I receive Individual emails in my gmail account, so I don't of course get a Digest view.
Jenny


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:10 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 07:21 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
One of the members in one of my groups asked me about this yesterday. Starting yesterday morning, from another Groups.io group he belongs to, he began to receive multiple copies of the same daily digest. He's gotten about twelve copies of the identical digest, all with the same date/time stamp- August 4th at 6:06am EDST.
This is normal. Daily digests are usually sent at around 6:00 am local time (or shortly thereafter).

The latest one he received -- still time stamped 6:06am -- was last night at 8:59pm EDST. He asked me if I had heard about this problem, was it a Groups.io issue?
Unlikely. If sent him 12 copies of the same digest at 6:06, his provider should have received all of them at 6:07.

In his mail reader, he should click the "View Source" or "Show Original" or whatever button is available to display the raw message (including the header). Then paste the header of one of the late digests into the analyzer found at?? Whichever server is holding up these late digests is the source of the problem.

One final thought:? If this problem is happening with all his emails, he may have a mail client misconfigured. Messages need to be marked as "read" on the server at the time of download; if this is not done, and his client fails to reject messages having the same Message-ID, the same messages will show up repeatedly every time he connects.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: member unsubscribed for 'marking a message as spam'?

 

That may possibly be the case, but that only means a little more than 50% of
people always go on-line that often. I doubt if many people in hospital with,
for example COVID-19, would still be on-line that often. Lots of people going
away on holiday deliberately avoid using the internet while away, and that
often means two weeks or more off-line.

Jim

On 4 Aug 2020 at 16:52, Duane wrote:

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 03:22 PM, Jim Fisher wrote:


Remember, it is not uncommon for people to
be off-line continuously for a period of two or three weeks (e.g. on
holiday)
In this day and age, I think it's more uncommon for someone to be offline more
than a few days (hours?) than to be offline for a couple of weeks. ;>)

Duane
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/helpcenter ). GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Re: Receiving Multiple Copies of Same Daily Digest

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 07:21 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
One of the members in one of my groups asked me about this yesterday. Starting yesterday morning, from another Groups.io group he belongs to, he began to receive multiple copies of the same daily digest. He's gotten about twelve copies of the identical digest, all with the same date/time stamp- August 4th at 6:06am EDST.
This is normal. Daily digests are usually sent at around 6:00 am local time (or shortly thereafter).

The latest one he received -- still time stamped 6:06am -- was last night at 8:59pm EDST. He asked me if I had heard about this problem, was it a Groups.io issue?
Unlikely. If groups.io sent him 12 copies of the same digest at 6:06, his provider should have received all of them at 6:07.

In his mail reader, he should click the "View Source" or "Show Original" or whatever button is available to display the raw message (including the header). Then paste the header of one of the late digests into the analyzer found at?? Whichever server is holding up these late digests is the source of the problem.

One final thought:? If this problem is happening with all his emails, he may have a mail client misconfigured. Messages need to be marked as "read" on the server at the time of download; if this is not done, and his client fails to reject messages having the same Message-ID, the same messages will show up repeatedly every time he connects.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: dummyfile."n"

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 07:21 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
What are Dummyfiles? (and why are they there, "unnamed" (so to say))?
Using the online message editor, if you embed an image via the "add pictures" (or "add attachments") dialog, the associated mime part (and the image in Emailed Photos) is given the actual file name. If you instead paste in an image directly from your clipboard, no file name is available, so groups.io assigns these "dummyfile" names in sequence (0 for the 1st one in the message, 1 for the second, etc).

These same embedded images can then propagate in replies if the person replying fails to remove them.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Receiving Multiple Copies of Same Daily Digest

 

One of the members in one of my groups asked me about this yesterday. Starting yesterday morning, from another Groups.io group he belongs to, he began to receive multiple copies of the same daily digest. He's gotten about twelve copies of the identical digest, all with the same date/time stamp- August 4th at 6:06am EDST. The latest one he received -- still time stamped 6:06am -- was last night at 8:59pm EDST. He asked me if I had heard about this problem, was it a Groups.io issue? I told him I had never heard of this problem and an archive search of this group didn't produce anything relevant.

Is this likely to be a problem with his email provider? He uses Network Solutions.

tommy0421
dummyfile."n"

 

In our Emailed pix album,.I am seeing a ton of "Dummyfile.n[=1,2,3, etc].jpg
I see the same thing in the GMF album.

What are Dummyfiles? (and why are they there, "unnamed" (so to say))?
Re: member unsubscribed for 'marking a message as spam'?

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 03:22 PM, Jim Fisher wrote:
Remember, it is not uncommon for people to
be off-line continuously for a period of two or three weeks (e.g. on holiday)
In this day and age, I think it's more uncommon for someone to be offline more than a few days (hours?) than to be offline for a couple of weeks. ;>)

Duane
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GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Re: Help figure out DMARC failure

 
Edited

Here are some headers from message #33183 in this thread. (These are NOT from the July 29 message that Valimail flagged--I don't have those headers, unfortunately.) Looks like this one would have passed DMARC (both SPF and DKIM), which leaves me even more puzzled about the failure on July 29:

Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 66.175.222.12)
?smtp.mailfrom=groups.io; mydomain.com; dkim=pass (signature was verified)
?header.d=groups.io;mydomain.com; dmarc=bestguesspass action=none
?header.from=groups.io;compauth=pass reason=109

Received-SPF: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of groups.io designates
?66.175.222.12 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com;
?client-ip=66.175.222.12; helo=web01.groups.io;

From: "Mark Berry via groups.io" <myuser@...>

DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io;
?q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1596580172;
?bh=quMW+/DLKq5/btYnRH7JLc0nNWFrv56txjhRwvbsWN0=;
?h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To;
?b=DntI2eqhvN4xxekqtKPm+h8zB5A7tPoc7BSpNtwxs6SZVASg9BdKBm4D3InxVeE8VCR
?Y9OP9Zu64+VTGKx51iCAQIkaCcrjMTpMWNwvak2EbMOvBkDG3ihd7Jy+2nGJWqCet1gd4
?jQSNGxyiHe0apAKf78Fn9VmSTH2/q0aasN4=
Re: member unsubscribed for 'marking a message as spam'?

 

Chris, I'm not really looking for perfection in a provider, but we do need the system to be functional for people with disabilities. This is not just a 'worthwhile enterprise' but a requirement. Not only is disability access a matter of law, but not doing so would defeat the purpose of my groups. It would be like having a group for photographers, without the ability to share images. The people with disabilities in my groups are not theoretical, but the very people my groups serve.

Isis
Help figure out DMARC failure

 

My domain's mail is hosted on Exchange/Office 365. I'm in the process of setting up DMARC on this domain. Currently it's in pass-through mode; mail is delivered but I can see aggregate reports of mail that would fail.

The aggregator (Valimail) is telling me that groups.io tried to send a message from my domain and it would have failed DMARC because neither the DKIM nor the SPF is allowed.



My groups.io profile says that because I'm on Exchange, headers will be re-written, which I thought was supposed to work around the DMARC restriction. Oddly, I don't think I've posted anything on groups.io from this domain in the last week, so I can't even figure out what email failed DMARC.

Another service I use, SendGrid, provided CNAME records for me to add to DNS so they could sign mail on my behalf. Yet another service offers SPF changes that I could make so at least SPF would pass. It seems like I've seen some info on excluding a domain from DMARC. Does groups.io have instructions for users who are setting up DMARC on their own domains?

Thanks,

Mark
Re: member unsubscribed for 'marking a message as spam'?

 

Thanks for the reply Duane.

That sounds like a sledgehammer to crack a nut. If that were a serious (i.e.
common) problem, then it would be covered by checking for the person having
been banned before processing the click on the link in the message. That way
all the people who cannot, for whatever reason, react within the short time
allowed would not be inconvenienced. Remember, it is not uncommon for people to
be off-line continuously for a period of two or three weeks (e.g. on holiday),
or even longer in cae of serious illness.

Jim

On 3 Aug 2020 at 12:49, Duane wrote:

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 02:27 PM, Jim Fisher wrote:


I've
yet to see any reason given for having any expiry date at all.
It may be something similar to invitations (in addition to the record
keeping.)? If you don't remove an invitation from the list, it can be used at
any time in the future.? There have been a couple of problems where someone was
booted from a group and got back in because they still had the invitation.? If
there were no expiration on removals, the same thing could happen (at a much
later date.)

Duane
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The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center (
/helpcenter ). GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Re: member unsubscribed for 'marking a message as spam'?

 

Thanks for the reply Nivard, but that seems to me to be a non-problem. Clicking
the link gives renewed access to the original email address owner. It would
only give access to someone else if they have hacked into the email service, in
which case they have access to the Groups.io account anyway

Jim

On 3 Aug 2020 at 20:53, Nivard Ovington wrote:

To me the most obvious reason to have an expiry on either the email me a
link or the re-subscribe is if that link gets into the wrong hands it
would allow a ne'er do well access

Emails go astray, or get copied or forwarded in error, or accounts get
hacked

So an expiry is a must as far as I can see

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 03/08/2020 20:14, Jim Fisher wrote:
I've been a member of this group (and Beta) almost since the start, and I've
yet to see any reason given for having any expiry date at all. It just seems
to be a pointless irritant.

Jim
Re: Following a Facebook group

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:26 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
What are the current options or strategies for having a Groups.io group "follow" a Facebook group?
Since the demise of the FB integration (which would only pick up public posts - so anything requiring a login was not supported) that was , I've not seen anything that would work.

Andy
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