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Christos,

Pat,

Change you account back to the old address using the same process, then log back into GIO with that original account; that will restore your Owner access to your group.? Then add to the group your new address (DirectAdd or Invite & accept), and promote it to Owner.? Leave both group accounts in there for now.? Repeat the original -> new address change process as before, log in now with the new address, and you should have Owner access as well.

You can now either delete the original owner account from the group, or better yet, leave it as a backup account as it's best practice for an owner to always have some backup way of getting in, just in case (pun intended!); always have a second door, a second owner account address, be it another person or a second email address if there's one owner only.

Cheers,
Christos

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:18 PM, Ken Cameron wrote:

In response to Shal and the selection list, I could see the option to create
a owner/moderator in waiting.

If there is no moderator, yes, we could have a designated member. I'm not yet sure what to call him/her.

In response to the list that has very little traffic, I would expect the
first thing the successor code would do is try to contact the current
owners.

To a certain level this could be automated. When any member clicks the "owner seems AWOL"-button, the system checks when this owner was last active on groups.io (onsite or sent email). If that was too long ago it could send emails to the owner's email-addresses and maybe SMS-text to his/her mobile. Calling by landline would require a human.These email-addresses and phone-numbers could/should be stored by the system without the members of the group having access to them.

If the owner has opted out of the succession-program.. maybe the group should shut down somehow? Like no more new members, and/or no more new topics, untill the owner shows activity?

groetjes/?is, Ronaldo

Niman H <nimanh2000@...> wrote:

Is there a way to have 2 or more accounts (ie, email addresses, I
think that's the right term) open on gio at one time? It would be
helpful to have a moderator and regular member account open at the
same time to see how different settings are affected, etc, instead of
having to log in and out (and in and out). Thanks

Yes, quite easily.

Use two browsers, or use your browser's "Private Browsing" function.
That way you can log in with a second account.

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Please Help!

I have created a Group successfully and added members!? However, I should not have used my personal email account.? Subsequent to that, I went through the process successfully of changing my account to a new email address. I received an email asking me to confirm - which I did.? However, it has not transferred my subscriptions as it should and now my Group appears to not have an owner!

I don't want to delete and start over (I just have a couple of members so far) because I we want to be able to use the same Group Name!?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Pat

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 02:35 PM, Lis R. wrote:

I am running out of space and I have the Basic Account through Groups.io

If you haven't already, you need to read through /helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/viewing-and-managing-your-group-s-storage

Duane
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 09:53 PM, Dan Tucker - FireTuck wrote:

The snip & sketch tool in Win10 (Shift+Window+S keystroke shortcut) is
very handy for grabbing a quick screen shot you can paste into your
email or chat.

Since FF is your main browser, assuming it's a recent version, try using right click on a screen, then using "Take a Screenshot" (or try the default shortcut - CTRL+Shift+S [customizable].)? You do need to be careful that you're not within something like the reply window, but it will allow you to capture any part of the screen and will even scroll the window if needed.

Duane
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<command> <shift> <4> ?then select area to be saved

<command> <shift> <4> ?saves entire screen (including stuff you might not weant to show so be careful)


Patti

The snip & sketch tool in Win10 (Shift+Window+S keystroke shortcut) is
very handy for grabbing a quick screen shot you can paste into your
email or chat. Now if only it had a feature to draw straight arrows
(something I have a hard time with via mouse).

Rather than the Windows-10 snip function, I find the free version of "picpick" windows application to be preferred.

• It can be set to start from a user defined keyboard hot-key
• It has more options for method what and how to capture including a scrolling screen function that will scroll the current window copying the entire content rather than just the current screen content. (I have not found any other software to do that.)
• The captured shot is then presented in a graphic editor similar to MS Paint where you can edit if needed.
• You can also simply paste it into your desired location or save it as a file.

I have no interest in the program, other than finding it the most useful free utility for the purpose.

K4HM - Hank

In response to Shal and the selection list, I could see the option to create
a owner/moderator in waiting. They would have no active rights but would be
designated for the survivorship rolls.

In response to the list that has very little traffic, I would expect the
first thing the successor code would do is try to contact the current
owners. If that doesn't create a response, then it would go down the list.
This is where having more than one way to contact any owner is critical. As
long as the in or out of band response comes back from the owner, the clock
resets. This could be as little as going to a webpage link and clicking
'here I am'.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.org
www.syracusemodelrr.org

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 09:53 PM, Dan Tucker - FireTuck wrote:

three browsers loaded on my MAC

If one of them is Firefox, you might want to try Multi-Account Containers add-in which keeps cookies and session details isolated between (color coded) tabs.? I haven't used it, but others have.? If you prefer separate windows (without the add-on), you can open multiple private windows in FF that won't share information.? That I have done a couple of times.

Duane
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 06:56 AM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:

Another owner with the same powers I have could cause all kinds of mischief should they prove unworthy of such UNNECESSARY trust.

This is the part that really puzzles me.? You don't trust them now, but would trust them if you weren't around?? So the day after they take control they delete the group?? If they were moderator with all privileges, they could still wreak havoc (remove members, delete files, etc.), but not delete the group.? If you're unsure, you could 'phase in' their control.? In a successor situation, it would be all or nothing.

I've never met most of the people on my groups, but have asked some of them to be moderator/owner.? (That's another thing you'd need to deal with, many don't want to be owner/moderator.)? Shal and I have never met in person, but for some reason he has trusted me to be a co-owner of a couple of groups that he founded.? Obviously I'd like to feel he made a good choice and will do my best to earn that trust. ;>)

Duane
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:34 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:

On 01-13-2021 17:16, ro-esp wrote:

... maybe just allow succession-requests no sooner than when the
original owner has not been active in any group for 2 or 3 months,
and have them step in to ask the group whether anybody has
objections to promoting the moderator to owner

That is not practical. My groups operated on Yahoo for years without
any owner activity (a feat, unfortunately, unable to be achieved on
GIO!). While not the most active, we had 3000 members, no moderation
required and no problems with SPAM. Absence of owner activity is not
a reliable indicator of an owner's vitality. In fact, even on GIO,
all moderation/administration requirements could be performed by
separate moderators without any owner activity required at all.

you seem to have misinterpreted what I said

Validating the death of an owner, given that he/she could have lived
anyplace on the world and is only identified by an email address may
just be an intractable problem.

That's why I suggested that an owner be considered permanently incapacitated only when (s)he hasn't sent a message or done any moderating-tasks in groups.io at all. I am not suggesting that groups.io-staff limit their view to just one group. Obviously if the missed owner is still active in another group, (s)he isn't dead and no succession-procedure is warranted

groetjes/?is, Ronaldo

Personally I haven't seen any discouragement by moderators, far from it, just the opposite in fact

This group ownership subject seems to be a pre-occupation of ex Yahoo groups

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 01:51 AM, Niman H wrote:

Is there a way to have 2 or more accounts (ie, email addresses, I think that's the right term) open on gio at one time? It would be helpful to have a moderator and regular member account open at the same time to see how different settings are affected, etc, instead of having to log in and out (and in and out).

Hi Niman,

See my previous post on this subject /g/GroupManagersForum/message/33488

Regards
Andy

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Hi Shal,

On 14/01/2021 07:56, Shal Farley wrote:

1) Add an "Owner Succession" panel to each moderator's page, just below the Moderator Permissions panel. This panel would be accessible only by owners, not by any moderators.
2) In this panel place a checkbox for "Promote this moderator to owner in the event of absence of any owner. Place a second control to define how long an absence triggers succession.
For this purpose I'd define absence as being no activity by any owner's account (either web activity or inbound email).

I setup a list here, purely to serve as a "contact support" function, for templates I've created. Two or three years can go by, without any messages on it. (As much as I'd like to think that nobody has questions about using the templates, I suspect the truth is that nobody uses them.)

If I understand the proposal correctly, the list would be transferred to the appointed person, even if I was still alive and kicking, simply due to the low traffic of the list. That doesn't seem right to me.

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For Premium & Enterprise lists, require both a mailing address, and a phone number. There are three circumstances under which the "owner succession" goes into effect:
* A death certificate for the owner is submitted to Mark/Groups.io;
* An "owner succession" vote, in which at least 50% +1 of the list subscribers vote for it to be used;
* A request from the legal guardian of the owner is submitted to mark/Groups.io. (This is to cover scenarios in which the owner is no longer able to run the list, or transfer the list to another party. By way of example, rapid onset of dementia. I haven't thought through the protocol for Mark/Groups.IO to utilize, to verify the authenticity of the request. (^1))

For Basic lists, the "owner succession" kicks in, upon 50% +1 members votes for it to do so;

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^1: Given the ease in which a death certificate for somebody who is still living, can be obtained in India, I suspect that false claims of legal guardianship can easily obtained, both there, and elsewhere.

jonathon