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Re: Question for joiners

J_Olivia Catlady
 

This is on the Trello ToDo list.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Terry S <apacapacas@...> wrote:
I would like to see a 200-character or so comment from the applicant before the application gets to the pending queue.? Is it feasible to incorporate a text box on the application page?

Terry S
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Re: Question for joiners

Terry S
 

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I would like to see a 200-character or so comment from the applicant before the application gets to the pending queue.? Is it feasible to incorporate a text box on the application page?

Terry S
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On 5/18/2016 1:41 PM, Robert wrote:

When I set up my restricted Y! group many years ago, I was able to include a question that applicants wishing to join had to answer before the application would even be allowed through to me. I want to do that to the groups.io group I have set up (or at least know how to retrospectively). It seems this can't be done retrospectively on Y! groups either. I tended to use what the applicant said to judge if they could join or not. Is there a way on groups.io?

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Re: Question for joiners

Robert
 

Hi Steph,

Can't think why I didn't see this myself! But many thanks.

Robert
Re: Moving a subscriber list into Groups.io

 

Reed,

When I load my subscriber list, will it result in an invitation for each
subscriber to accept the membership to Google.io or some other welcome
message?
In your group's Settings page there's a tab for Member Notices. There is a sub-tab for your group's "Welcome" message. There is default text for this message but it is in an editable box so that you can customize the message.

o If you use the "Invite" function each person will be emailed an invitation to join the group. There is a fill-in box on the Invite page where you may customize the invitation email. The person's email address will be added to a "Sent Invitations" list. When he/she accepts the invitation he/she will become a member of your group and will receive the Welcome message.

If your group has restricted membership, the invitation constitutes pre-approval so the person will not need to go through a second step to be approved as a member.

o If you use the "Direct Add" function (only on Premium groups) each person's email address will be immediately added to your group's Members list. There is a fill-in box on the Direct Add page where you may customize a notice emailed to each person. The Welcome notice will also be sent to each person.

o If Groups.io imports your list for you that works the same as Direct Add, except that no default notice is sent. The Welcome notice is sent only if you have customized it.

Shal
Re: Question for joiners

Steph Mathews
 

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Hi Robert, in the group settings for your group under membership notices there is a place where you can paste those questions and then when a person requests membership of your group that application gets sent their way, then they would fill out that form and send it back.? I hope that this helps you.? Steph

From: Robert
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: [GMF] Question for joiners

When I set up my restricted Y! group many years ago, I was able to include a question that applicants wishing to join had to answer before the application would even be allowed through to me. I want to do that to the groups.io group I have set up (or at least know how to retrospectively). It seems this can't be done retrospectively on Y! groups either. I tended to use what the applicant said to judge if they could join or not. Is there a way on groups.io?

Robert
Question for joiners

Robert
 

When I set up my restricted Y! group many years ago, I was able to include a question that applicants wishing to join had to answer before the application would even be allowed through to me. I want to do that to the groups.io group I have set up (or at least know how to retrospectively). It seems this can't be done retrospectively on Y! groups either. I tended to use what the applicant said to judge if they could join or not. Is there a way on groups.io?

Robert
Re: Moving a subscriber list into Groups.io

Barrier Free BC
 

Hi Shal,

I understand these methods of importing subscribers. When I load my
subscriber list, will it result in an invitation for each subscriber to
accept the membership to Google.io or some other welcome message?
Reed

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: May-18-16 1:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Moving a subscriber list into Groups.io

Reed,

Is it possible to import my subscriber list from MailChimp without
having to invite everyone to sign up again?
Assuming you already have a way to export the email list from MailChimp, or
that you have a copy in a file already...

With Groups.io there are two methods I know of.

1) Pay for the "Direct Add" feature. That's a premium feature not available
to Basic (free) groups. Premium groups cost $10/month, but you can pay that
for a single month, during which you add (import) your list. This is ideal
for your situation - starting a group from a pre-existing list.

If you've already set up a Groups.io group for testing, look at the Billing
page. If you haven't read about the plans here:
/static/pricing

2) Write to [email protected] and ask if they will import your list for you.
If your pre-existing group had been a Yahoo or Google group there's a
mechanism to import those members lists automatically. I don't know if there
is one for Mailchimp, but I would expect that Groups.io can do something for
you.

Shal
Re: Moving a subscriber list into Groups.io

 

Reed,

Is it possible to import my subscriber list from MailChimp without
having to invite everyone to sign up again?
Assuming you already have a way to export the email list from MailChimp, or that you have a copy in a file already...

With Groups.io there are two methods I know of.

1) Pay for the "Direct Add" feature. That's a premium feature not available to Basic (free) groups. Premium groups cost $10/month, but you can pay that for a single month, during which you add (import) your list. This is ideal for your situation - starting a group from a pre-existing list.

If you've already set up a Groups.io group for testing, look at the Billing page. If you haven't read about the plans here:
/static/pricing

2) Write to [email protected] and ask if they will import your list for you. If your pre-existing group had been a Yahoo or Google group there's a mechanism to import those members lists automatically. I don't know if there is one for Mailchimp, but I would expect that Groups.io can do something for you.

Shal
Re: Files

 

To the best of my knowledge, you should be able to upload any type of file. Whether it will open would depend on how each person has their computer set up to handle that type. I most often use pdf since almost everyone has the reader.

Duane
Moving a subscriber list into Groups.io

Barrier Free BC
 

Hello,

As a visually impaired administrator, I've been using MailChimp for sending
e-mail newsletters/bulletins to our subscribers. I'm finding MailChimp to
be very unfriendly to screen-reading software. I thought I'd give Groups.io
a try.

Our Subscribers have already indicated that they would like to receive our
mail and I don't want to have to ask everyone to sign-up again. Is it
possible to import my subscriber list from MailChimp without having to
invite everyone to sign up again?

Thanks,

Reed
Files

Linda
 

Hi,
Which files types work properly in Groups.io? I need to share lists of clickable URLs with my members.

Thanks,
Linda
Direct add of members - email delivery preference selection ?

 

In the direct add option it says that you can "append digest or nomail to the end of a line to specify either digest delivery or no email be sent"

so is that:

person@...

or?

person@... digest

or?

person @ domain.com

digest

Thanks for the help!?

I think an example there would be a good suggestion as an easy add.

Maria?
Problem inviting members to our test group

 

I invited two people to help us test our test group. One a yahoo address and the other a gmail. Both said that when they received the invite they clicked on the web link to accept it (rather than email it back) and yet when they reached our group page there was no indication they'd been pre-invited so they clicked "apply to join..." And they applied and then I saw them in pending. After I approved them they are now members but I'm left confused by this process and so were they.

What am I missing ? Shouldn't they see something that says they've been pre-approved and then they are asked to set up a password or other? How does it work here on groups.io?

I've also posted in the Beta group because I thought I should mention the confusion these two newbies had.?

Thank you!

Maria?
Re: Group transfer questions

 

Thanks, Shal. Your mastery of all this business never ceases to amaze me.

"That's simple then. Just be clear about what you want when you email the transfer agent (Mark) when you're ready for the copy to proceed."

You apparently understand exactly what I want to do ... I hope I make it clear to the transfer agent and that it's simple.

"If the members are willing to join the Groups.io group to read the messages then there's no need for the Groups.io archive to be public. If that's a concern."

It is a concern. Probably up until the advent of Neo, this Yahoo group's archives were accessible by non-members of the group. It was becoming an occasional problem so I changed that.

"Yahoo Groups' controls are rather mucked up since the Neo redesign. In Group Settings what matters is the "Non Members can view messages" checkbox, under "Who can see:" in the box below the group type. If that ever comes unchecked then it disappears forever and your groups Conversations archive is at best members only."

Regarding my group type, Public, Restricted and Private are not checked. The fourth type, Custom, has a shadowy gray bullet. Below group type, under "Who can see" there is no "Non Members can view messages". The only item there that I have checked is "Non Members can view about group section". That's it.
Re: Group transfer questions

 

Stephanie,

My notion was to transfer just the messages (and just the one time), not
the members (now or ever).
That's simple then. Just be clear about what you want when you email the transfer agent (Mark) when you're ready for the copy to proceed.

I always remind the Yahoo members they can join the (problem free)
Google group to get the same messages sent to the Yahoo group. Groups.io
would just be another alternative to Yahoo, like the Google one is
now.
If the members are willing to join the Groups.io group to read the messages then there's no need for the Groups.io archive to be public. If that's a concern.

Well, I see I may have a problem here (?) ... Although the Yahoo group
says "This is a public group" (Group Settings), the "Messages-Who can
see" under Access Settings is set to Members.
That doesn't really matter. The members are already members in the Yahoo Group so they can see its archive (if they have web access) regardless. That said, the "Members" column of the Access Control table isn't the whole story.

Yahoo Groups' controls are rather mucked up since the Neo redesign. In Group Settings what matters is the "Non Members can view messages" checkbox, under "Who can see:" in the box below the group type. If that ever comes unchecked then it disappears forever and your groups Conversations archive is at best members only.

That checkbox, and its fellows, really belongs as another column in the Access Control panel, but that makes too little sense to Yahoo's UI designers. And given that they decided that membership and messages controls have to be bundled together into this omnibus "Group Type" option, they aren't entirely wrong: it would be an even bigger mess to have linked controls on separate tabs.

Shal
Re: Group transfer questions

 

Thanks for your reply, Shal.

My notion was to transfer just the messages (and just the one time), not the members (now or ever). From that point going forward I was planning on emailing my new messages to three groups: the Yahoo group, the Google group and the Groups.io one. I had no plans to discontinue posting to the Yahoo group.? Some members of the Yahoo group having again been complaining because of Yahoo's problems. I always remind the Yahoo members they can join the (problem free) Google group to get the same messages sent to the Yahoo group. Groups.io would just be another alternative to Yahoo, like the? Google one is now.

"This only works if your group's message archive is public of course. Otherwise they need to be members to see the messages anyway."

Well, I see I may have a problem here (?) ...? Although the Yahoo group says "This is a public group" (Group Settings), the "Messages-Who can see" under Access Settings is set to Members.

In the last couple of years I discontinued posting to two other Yahoo group. Members of those groups were told they could continue receiving my postings at my current, remaining Yahoo group. Those two groups (with large archives) still exist, most of the members are still there, one or two even join occasionally, but they are not active and only I post there occasionally ("we've moved").
Re: Group transfer questions

 

Stephanie,

Will I be able to transfer my Yahoo group's message archive to that new
group without transferring the member list? That all I want to do for
now.
Yes, if you request that.

Have a look at the steps involved in the group copy ("transfer"). After you've invited the transfer agent, it has joined, and you've promoted it to moderator then your next step is to send an email message to the transfer agent, telling "it" that you're ready and the name of the Groups.io group to receive the members/messages (and maybe soon files/photos).

I believe that "it", the transfer agent, is none other than Mark himself. I think he reads those messages and activates the software to copy the information. In the past he's offered to accept instructions not to copy the messages, or to copy only messages newer than some date. So I'm sure that he can handle not copying the membership.

So the flip side of the coin is that if you're wanting to copy the messages first then the members later you are imposing slightly on Mark's time. And the more so if you then want to copy the later messages - those posted in your Yahoo Group after the initial copy.

The message archive goes back to 2002 and has well over a 100K messages.
I'd rather notify my members at the Yahoo group and give them an option
to view the content they're getting now at Yahoo at a different place
...
This only works if your group's message archive is public of course. Otherwise they need to be members to see the messages anyway.

I think my advice would be to go ahead with transferring the memberships along with the messages. When that happens nothing is affected within the Yahoo Group, so things can continue normally there, at the risk of those new messages not being copied (at least not with Mark's indulgence).

So it kind of depends on what the priority is for your group.

If integrity of the archive is paramount then a clean break is called for: shut down messages on the Y!group, tell the agent to proceed, then resume messages in the Groups.io group.

If continuity of discussion is paramount then keep messaging open in your Y!group while the transfer happens, then encourage your members to start new threads in the new Groups.io group, while existing threads peter out naturally in the Yahoo Group. Then you can decide for yourself when to cut off messaging in the Yahoo Group. You don't have to (and probably shouldn't) ever remove the members from that group - that way they can continue to access whatever content is there that hasn't been copied.

Shal
Re: Group transfer questions

 

Hi Shal,

I'm of course familiar with you from the Yahoo GMF ... thanks for all you do there.

Since I greatly value your advice, let me get your take on this ...

Yahoo's been having a bad week and a half or so, as I'm sure you're aware from the messages posted about it on your Yahoo group ...

I created a group here today, in part because of that ...

Will I be able to transfer my Yahoo group's message archive to that new group without transferring the member list? That all I want to do for now. The message archive goes back to 2002 and has well over a 100K messages. I'd rather notify my members at the Yahoo group and give them an option to view the content they're getting now at Yahoo at a different place ... I've had a Google group since 2007 and offer my Yahoo members the same from time to time ... like the past week and a half.

Thanks.

~~ Stephanie
Re: Group transfer questions

 

Maria,

Here's another question: can you transfer the group over and have it
keep updating as new posts are sent to the old group so that you have a
back-up but wait to move or activate the members?
I've wished that too.

But no, the transfer action is something I think requires manual intervention by Mark (he receives the message from you, and starts the program that does it). I doubt he's written anything to keep monitoring your Y!Group for new messages.

Shal
Re: Group transfer questions

 

Here's another question: can you transfer the group over and have it keep updating as new posts are sent to the old group so that you have a back-up but wait to move or activate the members??

There are a few things we are hoping get finished or fixed before a move but on the other hand we'd sleep better knowing the group was backed up here...
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