How to make payments from a small non-profit
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Currently I pay with a personal credit card for our small non-profits page. ?(We are a quilt group with 112 members.). I¡¯d like to switch this to our treasurer but the group does not have a credit card. ?Can we do an ach payment from our checking account? Can we use a debit card tied to that checking account??
What do others do in this situation?
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Bob, ? I like what you did. That was better than what I did before we left. ? Don ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 2:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo ? Oh yes, one other thing,? If it's possible someone might wish to join our group and run across your Yahoo shell, it would be helpful to do what I did for our very large and active group.
You can witness it at?
Actually our header was a big red box but it seems yahoo finally got tired of it.
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Bob Bellizzi The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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Oh yes, one other thing,? If it's possible someone might wish to join our group and run across your Yahoo shell, it would be helpful to do what I did for our very large and active group. You can witness it at? Actually our header was a big red box but it seems yahoo finally got tired of it. -- Bob Bellizzi
The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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Good job, Randy, Now, for the "oldest to newest & vice versa,k; Please, on the computer screen, when in Messages mode, look at the upper right portion. You will see a Date followed by a "down" or "up" caret. Clicking the caret reverses the order of the messages in the display. When you get old, (you're only 78 & I'm almost 87) you may lose your fear of moving your mouse around and, when you get an indication that there is something live under your mouse, you will, in spite of fear, click the mouse to see what happens.? What you can find with this little trick is amazing. BTW I doubt if Mark would give you a "take me to the middle" action, though. Bob Bellizzi -- Bob Bellizzi
The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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Well, there¡¯s demented, and then there¡¯s demented. ? Randy ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 2:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo ? Thanks for sharing, Randy, and in such detail too!
A word of warning, though...just because we both had the same "senior moment" is no confirmation that you aren't demented. I think you know where I'm going with this. ;-)
Bruce
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Thanks for sharing, Randy, and in such detail too!
A word of warning, though...just because we both had the same "senior moment" is no confirmation that you aren't demented. I think you know where I'm going with this. ;-)
Bruce
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Ok, folks, you wanted a recent transfer experience, so here is a log (hopefully no significant errors): ? 1.?????? Automatically became a member of another Group via transfer from Yahoo., 2.?????? Looked the group over, checked functions, etc. and decided it was the thing to do for my small private group. a.?????? No comparison as far as support is concerned. b.?????? Much more user friendly for my ¡°technically less ¡®confident¡¯¡± (thanks Chris) group members (about 80% of the 17 members). c.?????? Provides all of the same capabilities, as far as my needs are concerned. 3.?????? Googled ¡°Transfer Yahoo Group to Groups.io¡± and found the instructions. a.?????? By the way, for those of us who need ¡°Groups.io for Dummies¡±, and rarely scroll all the way to the bottom of a page, a brief topic under help on Yahoo and Google Group Transfer that merely states ¡°Look at the bottom of any page, dummy.¡± Or words more complementary might be a service. 4.?????? Created a new group on about 8/1. (Another suggestion. Add a go to first and go to last button on the activity scroll [change < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > to << < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > >>].) 5.?????? Bumbled around looking for the transfer instructions again. 6.?????? Went to the Yahoo group and invited [email protected], on about 8/3. 7.?????? Apparently went into advanced age dementia. (Hey, I can do that, I¡¯m 78.) a.?????? Checked Groups.io group and couldn¡¯t find the invite, so decided I must have been dreaming. b.?????? Attempted to send invite from Groups.io and received ¡°invalid email address.¡± c.?????? Received many very diplomatic responses in this topic, indicating I had attained the afore mentioned mental state. (Thank you Bruce, for relating your experience, indicating I may not be quite as demented as I thought.) 8.?????? Yesterday (4/8) afternoon, around 2:00PM, I recovered sanity, went to the Yahoo group and made [email protected] a moderator. 9.?????? Bumbled around finding the transfer instructions again, and clicked the appropriate links to start the transfer. 10.?? Today (4/9), received email at 12:30 PM, received notice that the group and been transferred. a.?????? Also received notice to a second email address that I had registered in the Yahoo group (the one that didn¡¯t create the groups.io group), as expected. 11.?? Went to the group and verified, on cursory examination, that all items (except email attachments) have been transferred. a.?????? Also, too late to the show, discovered the Transfer Group link at the bottom of the page. 12.?? Removed [email protected] from the Yahoo Group and made it dormant (no member posts). 13.?? Now to coax all my little ducklings into the new nest. ? Bottom line ¨C It appears that the process works just like the current instructions. ? I believe it¡¯s appropriate to take my two suggestions to the beta group. So, unless cautioned otherwise, that¡¯s what I¡¯ll do. ? Thanks for the help, and hope my comments are useful (and a slight bit amusing), Randy ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 8:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo ? On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 08:36 pm, Shal Farley wrote: That is, it may be belts-and-suspenders, but I don't know that for certain.
Of course if neither happens then the process stalls and it is up to Mark and/or the Y!group admins to notice and attempt to get it back on track somehow.
I'm with you, Shal. Dano has his experience and I have mine, but neither may reflect the current process. Given that Mark is not here, it would be nice to hear from someone currently undergoing a transfer so we can further fine-tune the GMF wiki. Failing that, I will continue to advise group owners who are having problems to invite the transfer agent manually. It certainly won't harm anything and is in keeping with what the instructions say they should do. Going back to the message that started this (before we kinda drifted off-topic), Randy stated that his attempts to send the invitation manually resulted in an "invalid address" error. On that basis I knew what he had done...sent the invitation from his groups.io group. How did I know that? Because I once did the same thing.
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Re: Edited Group Profile Does Not Show in ACTIVITY
Thanks, Chris.
I have asked members to edit their Group Profiles: add a photo, include a bio, add where they live. This is what will show when you click on a member's name - their profile.
Every activity is recorded in the log as it occurs.? I edited my profile to see if it came up as an Activity, and it does not.
Hoping that there is a solution...
Ro
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Re: Edited Group Profile Does Not Show in ACTIVITY
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 08:41 am, Dawson, Rosemary wrote:
I really need to see who had edited their group profile.
Having looked at the Activity Log on the Group I moderate what you want is already there. (I think!) Just above the list of "Activities" there is a search facility. Two of the options available to you are Changed display name and Changed email.
Do those meet your requirements?
Regards, Chris
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Re: Can we change from "Basic" Plan to Premium Plan for a few months and then go back to basic?
Yes, you can change plans at any time.? Admin -> Upgrade -> click on View/Change Plan.
I did the same, signed up for premium monthly, imported my members (it's a static group) via Direct Add, then downgraded to free plan a month later.
The spam so called "feedback loop" is unrelated to the type of plan the group is on.? see?https://blog.returnpath.com/what-is-a-feedback-loop/
Toby
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Edited Group Profile Does Not Show in ACTIVITY
Almost everything a group member does shows up in the very useful log of Activities. I really need to see who had edited their group profile.? It is too tedious to search through 760 names in the Directory to get this information.
Can that be added to the Activity listing, or is there another way for me to see who has edited their group profile on a daily basis?
Thanks,
Ro
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On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 06:08 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 08:36 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
That is, it may be belts-and-suspenders, but I don't know that for certain.
Of course if neither happens then the process stalls and it is up to Mark and/or the Y!group admins to notice and attempt to get it back on track somehow.
I'm with you, Shal. Dano has his experience and I have mine, but neither may reflect the current process. Given that Mark is not here, it would be nice to hear from someone currently undergoing a transfer so we can further fine-tune the GMF wiki. Failing that, I will continue to advise group owners who are having problems to invite the transfer agent manually. It certainly won't harm anything and is in keeping with what the instructions say they should do.
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Going back to the message that started this (before we kinda drifted off-topic), Randy stated that his attempts to send the invitation manually resulted in an "invalid address" error. On that basis I knew what he had done...sent the invitation from his groups.io group. How did I know that? Because I once did the same thing.
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Regards,
Bruce
Bruce, As was probably obvious from my previous post on this Topic (thread), I had "guessed" that the original problem was an issue with the [email protected]?email address. In fact, I did a check with an online email address checker and it confirmed that it thought there was an issue with the email address. The other thing that led me to believe it was the email address having a problem was when I checked the "Easy Group Transfer" link which is at the bottom of every groups.io page and it led to what appeared to be clear directions on which steps to take and the second step was: /yahootransfer
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Step 2
Send an invite to your Yahoo Group to?[email protected]
============================================= I've followed that step several times myself for group transfers and it being Yahoo, I know the process is to type an email address in an invite box, click on the 'do it' button and hold your breath to see what, if anything happens. So, it seemed to me that this was likely where the problem was. Be that as it may, it now seems that those steps may NOT be what is required. There is more text at the bottom of the Yahoo Easy Group Transfer page which seem to discuss a different process. If the group Wiki is being updated, that is fine, but it seems that the public link pages are what need to be updated. -- Gerald
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Can we change from "Basic" Plan to Premium Plan for a few months and then go back to basic?
We? are just in the beginnings of setting up our group.? Might total 30-40members when done.
?The easiest way to do this, I just discovered, is simply entering/registering people myself rather than instruct them on how to join.? We have many older, unsophisticated people.
? ? Once our small group is set up - would then like to go back to free basic plan.
? ? ?Another question - would this upgrade stop members from automatically be removed when their system thinks they are getting spammed??
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On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 08:36 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
That is, it may be belts-and-suspenders, but I don't know that for certain.
Of course if neither happens then the process stalls and it is up to Mark and/or the Y!group admins to notice and attempt to get it back on track somehow.
I'm with you, Shal. Dano has his experience and I have mine, but neither may reflect the current process. Given that Mark is not here, it would be nice to hear from someone currently undergoing a transfer so we can further fine-tune the GMF wiki. Failing that, I will continue to advise group owners who are having problems to invite the transfer agent manually. It certainly won't harm anything and is in keeping with what the instructions say they should do.
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Going back to the message that started this (before we kinda drifted off-topic), Randy stated that his attempts to send the invitation manually resulted in an "invalid address" error. On that basis I knew what he had done...sent the invitation from his groups.io group. How did I know that? Because I once did the same thing.
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Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Automatic Deletion of Members If Message Marked As Spam
#poll
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 11:38 pm, I wrote:
Rereading some of? Shal's comments in earlier emails I intend to do a further edit to the Mechanism section later
Well... that isn't quite what happened in the end! The edits to Mechanism were very small - just odd words. I have done a major addition to How can I stop this from happening again? because a lot of what had been written was only really applicable to those using their Service Provider's mail UI, not an Email Client UI. Using the latter brings with it some complications, and hopefully I have addressed those that are important in the context of managing messages mislabelled as Spam by the Service Provider. I am concious that doing that strays into places where the technically less confident* might feel a bit out of their comfort zone, but I feel that not putting it in would have left a large gap in the guidance. I think I might remove the "old" Notifications because they are not really serving any useful purpose. Shal; your observations would be welcome, along with any others... * Please note the, er, tactful description. Chris
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Re: Subgroup visibility...not-visible AND public messages?
Derek, But: if a subscriber to a subgroup that is invisible in the parent
group posts a message, where does the public see it? or Where "example" and "subgroup" are just placeholders for the actual subdomain and subgroup names. Now, how the public might discover those web addresses is another question. One answer is that the content of the subgroup Home page description, or of a message in the subgroup, might be found in a web search engine (Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, etc.). Another answer might be that someone posted one or the other, or a link to one of the messages, either in the primary group or in a public website or ... Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Sharon, The reason I like hashtags is that the topic is clear¡ªits like a
standardized key word. While I agree, I'm not sure how that's relevant to your original question about Groups.io's directory listings. Subject lines are not clear. If someone changes it or the thread is
the same subject as a thread from yesterday or last, that isn¡¯t
reflected. Groups.io's processing of inbound messages to determine whether they should be added to an existing Topic or start a new Topic is more restrictive than Y!Groups's was. There are two basic factors in both implementations: 1) Whether the message has the same Subject line (excluding things like Re:) as an existing message. 2) Whether the message has an "In-Reply-To" field in its header that cites an existing message. Most email interfaces will insert that standard header field when the user Replies to a message rather than Composes a new one. Some email interfaces use the "References" header field instead; Groups.io uses that one also, Y!Groups did not. Where the two differ is that Y!G's implementation uses the logical OR of those two conditions, where Groups.io uses a more complex evaluation. A practical difference is that a frequent complaint relating to Y!Groups was that someone could post a new message whose Subject line happened to be a textual match for a message that was years old, and Y!Groups would tie them together anyway (condition 1); and conversely a member could post entirely new content under a changed Subject line, but because they happened to start with a reply to an existing message it would get tied to that messages (condition 2). On the other hand the complaint for Groups.io is more often the other way around - messages that should have been treated as part of an existing Topic sometimes aren't. There's no perfect world, I think. One list with tens of thousands of messages could probably be narrowed
down to 15 topics. With Groups.io's more restrictive evaluation that's much less likely. In particular, a message won't link to an existing Topic if the last post in that Topic is more than two weeks old - unless condition (2) is also met. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Bruce, Hmmm...both the Yahoo group transfer instructions and the GMF wiki
still state that you have to manually send the transfer agent an
invitation. When the Form submission was first created there was a brief time (maybe less than a day) when the instructions did not mention inviting the transfer agent, but waiting to approve the transfer agent if needed ... and depending on group settings this might not even be possible. ... and then Mark ran into the "Invitation only" type of group. And so the instructions changed again to require an invitation. Bottom item: Someone needs to confirm the actual process so the documentation can
be kept current. I'm not sure we know, fully. It is safe to say that the Y!Group should invite the transfer agent; because the instructions say so. What I'm not certain of is what happens in the event that a group reaches the head of the queue, or some timeout, without the transfer agent receiving the invitation. Maybe Mark will then attempt to subscribe to the group. That is, it may be belts-and-suspenders, but I don't know that for certain. Of course if neither happens then the process stalls and it is up to Mark and/or the Y!group admins to notice and attempt to get it back on track somehow. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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