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On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:31 PM, ray_r.rm wrote:

I may have started this discussion about a week ago.
Now I know how to change my password so it is easier to get logged on again.
A few days after I logged back on, I noticed that my only Yahoo group that has pictures attached now and then,
was not allowing me to see them.
A day or two later after Groups.io was good again, I noticed that that Yahoo Group once again allowing me to see the occasional attached pics.

So now I suspect a connection between Yahoo and Groups.io.
Maybe a coincidence?

I suspect this was a coincidence. Various parts of Y!G seem to come and go at random these days.

Another part of the mystery is that before I was logged off, I had changed the banner photo on a Groups.io group.
Meaning I had visited the main page.
Normally, I read the group mail via my e-mail, and I suspect many of the subscribers do as well.

After changing the banner photo, I sent a special notice to the group members to visit the home page now and than to see the new pic.I would like to tell them that by doing so, they stay logged in, but that is uncertain.

Logging in starts the 30-day clock on the browser cookie. If they delete the cookie, they will find themselves logged out. If the cookie expires, they will also find themselves logged out. How many times they visit the site in the interim does not matter.

I do realize that this can be disconcerting, especially to those accustomed to being logged out for "inactivity." One time, I was in the middle of composing a message; I hit the "send" button and mysteriously found myself on the home page. It took a minute before I realized that my browser cookie had expired while I was in the message editor! Thankfully, once I logged in again the message draft was still available and ready to be sent.

So I plan to record the date the banner was changed on the home page, wait 28 days and visit the home page again, then see if I get logged off. If not then the appropriate action is to visit the home page every few weeks.

To reiterate:

-- The cookie is created by logging in.
-- It expires in 30 days, if you don't explicitly log out, or delete your browser cookies.
-- If you want to reset the cookie, you have to log in again.
-- Repeatedly visiting the site has no effect on when the cookie expires. Only by logging in again will the cookie "clock" be reset.
-- Group emails will be delivered to you whether you are logged in or not.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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I may have started this discussion about a week ago.
Now I know how to change my password so it is easier to get logged on again.
A few days after I logged back on, I noticed that my only Yahoo group that has pictures attached now and then,
was not allowing me to see them.
A day or two later after Groups.io was good again, I noticed that that Yahoo Group once again allowing me to see the occasional attached pics.

So now I suspect a connection between Yahoo and Groups.io.
Maybe a coincidence?

Another part of the mystery is that before I was logged off, I had changed the banner photo on a Groups.io group.
Meaning I had visited the main page.
Normally, I read the group mail via my e-mail, and I suspect many of the subscribers do as well.

After changing the banner photo, I sent a special notice to the group members to visit the home page now and than to see the new pic.I would like to tell them that by doing so, they stay logged in, but that is uncertain.

Can all this mystery be solved?

Sorry about the long message, and there is a possibility that my time-line is wrong.
So I plan to record the date the banner was changed on the home page, wait 28 days and visit the home page again, then see if I get logged off. If not then the appropriate action is to visit the home page every few weeks.

Thanks for reading this far!

-- Richard

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:07 PM, Tammi McKinley, CPM wrote:

It won’t give me the full calendar to pick the date. I see a table with months listed across it. I click on October and no days.

On chrome and mobile. Has something changed?

The table of months on the home page is just for quick access to that month's messages in the message archive. Click on "Calendar" on the left-side menu to actually access the calendar. At upper right in the Calendar are buttons to list by Month|Week|Day|List. Be sure to select your preferred view.

If the left-side menu item is missing, such that you can't get to the Calendar at all, you're probably logged out. Look for a "Log In" button at upper right (on the blue menu bar) and click on it to re-login. You need to do this every 30 days, or whenever you delete your browser cookies.

If this still doesn't help you, please get back with us with more details as to the symptoms.

Regards,
Bruce?
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It won’t give me the full calendar to pick the date. I see a table with months listed across it. I click on October and no days.

On chrome and mobile. Has something changed?

Thanks so much. Tammi

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 03:24 PM, Anita Myers wrote:

I deleted a membership roster that was out of date and then tried uploading a corrected one to the files section of my group. It will not allow me to access it to upload. Is this a problem system-wide or am I doing something wrong?

I'm not sure what you mean by "it will not allow me to access it." But I'm going to take a guess anyway...

If it's a PDF file and you are using the Edge browser, the "Couldn't Open PDF" message you might be seeing affects only the display of the thumbnail image in the dialog box. If you click on the "Add" button anyway, it should still go.

See /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/23176361#10036?for a screenshot and discussion.

Or you could be out of storage space or any number of other things. I hope this helps...if not, we will need more details on what kind of file you're uploading, its size, and what kind of response groups.io is giving you as you attempt the upload.

Best regards,
Bruce
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I deleted a membership roster that was out of date and then tried uploading a corrected one to the files section of my group. It will not allow me to access it to upload. Is this a problem system-wide or am I doing something wrong?

Thank you.

~Anita

Is there any way to request this feature as an update? I have a number of moderators for my group and its subgroups, and it'd be awesome to do it in a batch.?

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On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 01:28 PM, Beth Weld wrote:

One clarification - when I moved a yahoo group several months ago to a subgroup here, I did not end up with files in both the main and the subgroup - only the subgroup. Something may have changed so I'll play it safe, but thought I would mention it.? I used the subgroup as the "to" group if that made a difference.

This is normal behavior for transfer to a subgroup.?

Once you get the primary group transfer started (without the files), I'd probably wait a couple of days and then go ahead and initiate the files transfer to the subgroup, too. The two days should be more than enough time to Direct Add the subscribers to your subgroups before the files arrive.

Assuming that the transfers occur in queue order, this should save you some time waiting for the files. In the unlikely event that the transfers go out of order and the files arrive too early (i.e.: without proper file ownership assignments), no harm done -- just delete them and do it again.

Good luck!
Bruce?
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Thanks so much Shal,
I'm starting the process now.?

Exclude the files from this transfer, unless you want copies in the primary as well as the specific subgroup.

One clarification - when I moved a yahoo group several months ago to a subgroup here, I did not end up with files in both the main and the subgroup - only the subgroup. Something may have changed so I'll play it safe, but thought I would mention it.? I used the subgroup as the "to" group if that made a difference.

Fingers crossed
Beth

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I have a calendar question, which needs some clarification.? I put all the calendar events on the main calendar for all to see.?

They’re two meetings at the congregation which I have created subgroups for one is for the women and the other the men.? I put the respective meetings on each of the subgroups calendars.?

Question is “When the coordinators of the meetings goes into the coordinating calendar for their group select edit of the event in question then select send invite to group”.? This invitation it will go to the respective groups.? Is this correct? ?

Many thanks to both of you.
To summarize exactly what I need to end up with:
I have a group in yahoo that has members and files that I need in GIO
I have one main group in GIO with 3 subgroups that need to start with the same members in all 3 subgroups
One of those subgroups also needs the files.

I think what I'm hearing is that I should:

• transfer the yahoo group to main
• Download the member list to a csv file because I don't have an independent list
• Use csv file to create a text file with name and email address in correct formatting
• In main, direct add using the new file and check off the 3 subgroups
• Request another transfer to bring over the files to the correct subgroup

I will be so glad to finally get this done - I think.??
Again, thanks for the help and advice
Beth

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Beth,

A better general description of what you plan to do might help us figure out a better option.? Will everyone be a member of one of the subgroups?? Will that be the subgroup where you want the files?

There's some basic information for direct adding many people to the main group at /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Direct-Add-From-Yahoo, but it may apply to a subgroup as well.? You could do that after the transfer.

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Thanks Duane.?
Interesting suggestion. My concern is having to manually add over 400 people to multiple subgroups; no matter if 2 or 3. Yes the files need to go to a subgroup so I’m not sure what adding them only to the main group will achieve. Fortunately we are a premium group, but that doesn’t help during the transfer. ?I’d give a lot to have a bulk add......
Thanks
Beth

Thanks Bruce, the issue is solved.

Apparently for some reason, a setting in Firefox flipped to "Save".

Prior to that is was "Open" in the browser.? I believe the TOE did something to make that setting flip although I have no idea how but all is good now.

Thanks.

Bill

WOW, that did it.

Thanks so much, I never clicked on that thingy in the upper right hand of the screen (Firefox)

Thanks,

Bill

Received from Gerald Boutin at 10/16/2018 07:41 PM UTC:

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 04:19 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
I think the complaints about "dropped from group" would decrease substantially, and security - which is marginal via the "request a log-in link" approach to begin with - wouldn't be materially affected if the current log-in cookie were automatically renewed for a month each time the user logs in.

Jim,

That is the way that groupsio works. Each time a user logs in, the cookie date is reset. The problem is that users are NOT logging in. They are just continuing to visit the same page without logging in until finally after 30 days, they are being forced to log in.

We apparently have different definitions of "log in" because I don't understand what you're telling me. Please read the following and try again... I really do want to understand your point... esp if my suggestion makes no sense in light of it.

By my understanding we can "visit" Gio daily and while there see a list of all the groups we own and/or belong to by doing nothing more than visiting Gio with our web browser... no password entry via keyboard required... all courtesy of a cookie with a 1-month expiration period that isn't reset upon each "visit." When that cookie expires in a month, visiting Gio results in a view that doesn't show owned and subscribed groups so the visitor thinks he's been dropped from all his groups.

At this point he either "logs in" using his registered email address and password (if he has one) or he requests a log-in link that if followed sets a new cookie that expires in a month.

My suggestion is to retain all of this EXCEPT the cookie expiration date would be updated upon each "visit" to Gio so that a regular visitor would never find himself "dropped from group."

Jim H