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Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 02:48 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote:
I have not seen any RI status who were bouncing, I don't think you can have both at the same time?
I have red bouncing RI members. In Members, use both filters.?
However if they are not bouncing, it should be easier to get them to reverify themselves, wouldn't it?

Frances
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Re: Question on subject text formatting/processing #misc

 

To clarify the previous message, I'm talking about consecutive spaces in the email subject specifically, not the message body (it doesn't happen there)

Cheers,
Christos
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

Of those under RI status who were previous subscribers who had posted, I sent a private message to them, none replied but one reverified

More than half were NMM so had never posted

I have not seen any RI status who were bouncing, I don't think you can have both at the same time?

Of the red B bouncing addresses (none of which were RI status), I periodically go through and check them (they will all have been sent a bounce probe or more) they are not receiving messages so why keep them, if they then realise they are not in the group at some point they are free to rejoin if they wish

An auto response is not the member but their software

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I received an autoreply from one RI member. I sent them a message through Admin, Members, Send Message (bottom of the record). The member was bouncing and RI. The message was about a change of email address. So messages are getting through from group owners to RI members. I also see them in Email Delivery History.
Question on subject text formatting/processing #misc

 

Hi Folks,

I composed a test message online that had more that 1 consecutive space, eg. Use this code '?? ' to comment, 3 spaces single-quoted, but when the message is sent, that subject is altered to concatenate those 3 spaces into 1, eg. Use this code ' ' to comment (visible in the View Source).? I thought this was happening only online but then in further testing I found out Tbird and Gmail -and I now guess others- also do that, they also convert any consecutive spaces in the subject text into a single one before sending.

I'm no email expert by any means but I wasn't aware there's a convention that dictates this multiple space elimination, so I'm curious as to why it's done if anyone knows.

Cheers,
Christos
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

Mike, you wrote

"Yet, I have many more who are Bounced or Not confirmed who have been in that state for a long time in spite of my attempts."

Have you moved your mouse to those buttons "icons", click them and see what the message is when they pop up. You will see different reasons. The most common one - not a member of their ISP.

That is how I know which are no good, removed them.


On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 9:23?AM Mike Hanauer via <MGHanauer=[email protected]> wrote:
In a group I own, I have 6 (of 700+) who are RI.
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Yet, I have many more who are Bounced or Not confirmed who have been in that state for a long time in spite of my attempts.
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I do find some value in being able to see all of these people as "members", yet it does seem like all of these status' should be treated in a similar manner (and give moderators the knowledge and history they need).
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On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:37:07 AM EST, Tommy Meehan <tmeehan0421@...> wrote:
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There are obviously a lot of members here concerned with this: group members who have still not reverified. When will they be removed? There seemed to be a deadline of February 11tth, The original message from Groups.io stated that "After that, members still in the RI state will be removed from groups." Some group owners -- like me! -- took that to mean the RI members would be removed beginning Feb. 1th.

Yesterday on the Beta Group Mark clarified that.

Mark wrote that there are still some RI members reverifying, even at this late date, and due to that he has decided to give them an additional two weeks before final removal begins. I don't have any real problem with that.

tommy meehan
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:23 AM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
Yet, I have many more who are Bounced or Not confirmed who have been in that state for a long time in spite of my attempts.
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I do find some value in being able to see all of these people as "members", yet it does seem like all of these status' should be treated in a similar manner (and give moderators the knowledge and history they need).
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It's important to understand these are an account status, not a subscription status. Accounts that are Bouncing or Not Confirmed aren't being sent any group emails and thus can't affect groups.io's status with spam traps.

What you - as a group Owner - do with the corresponding subscriptions?to your group are your own business...with the understanding that these same addresses may be subscribed to many other groups.?Depending on what kind of response comes back when sending them a DM or a bounce probe, I often just delete them.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:44 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote:
I think I am done with it now, those unverified after all this time are surely not receiving or reading messages

I received an autoreply from one RI member. I sent them a message through Admin, Members, Send Message (bottom of the record). The member was bouncing and RI. The message was about a change of email address. So messages are getting through from group owners to RI members. I also see them in Email Delivery History.

I just send the simple message this morning. But, of course, few have responded. Most bounced. This is my last try to get them reverified (and unbounced).

Here is what I sent to the 52 members who are still RI (We transferred our group from YahooGroups in the dawn of Groups.io!)

"Hello Ziner, We have recently had a lively discussion about traveling solo, about eSIMS and about travel in Japan. You missed them because you need to reverify your account with Groups.io. *Not our rule, but a spam blocking company made Groups.io do it.* It's simple to do. Just visit Groups.io. No password? Click on /sendloginlink Check your email for a reply with a link. Click on it. (If you don't see it, check your Spam or Junk mail.) If you aren't interested in belonging to the Zine, that's fine! Sorry to see you go. Just click on *Unsubscribe* in this email footer."

Frances

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Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:45 PM, dennnis WB8DD wrote:
The owner of the group, Gary K0DVN, is unfortunately deceased. So no new member applications to join this group are being approved.
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Is there someway to reset the group ownership and assign a new owner? I am currently not a member since I can't get approved.
I'm curious as to how you know this.

There may be co-owners, but that doesn't mean they know how to do anything. You first option is to send an email to?[email protected]?and see if anyone responds.

It seems highly unlikely that groups.io support will come to the aid of anyone who isn't currently a member of the group.

Good luck,
Bruce
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Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

Hello,

I hope this is the right place to post this question.

There is a problem with the TenTecEagle group and I'm hoping for suggestions.
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The owner of the group, Gary K0DVN, is unfortunately deceased. So no new member applications to join this group are being approved.
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Is there someway to reset the group ownership and assign a new owner? I am currently not a member since I can't get approved.
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Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.
Dennis Doran
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

I think I am done with it now, those unverified after all this time are surely not receiving or reading messages

Last I checked 31st Jan, out of 9 groups, I had 18 who needed to reverify their addresses

10 of those were NMM so had never posted

Checking today I still have 17

Anyone with a red B are not receiving anyway so not much point keeping them in the member list IMHO

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 17/02/2024 16:46, Frances wrote:
On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:23 AM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
(and give moderators the knowledge and history they need).
I have been finding quite a bit of information about specific bouncing / RI members. In activity history and in Email Delivery History. Recently, Mark put in the capability to roll your mouse over the B to see last result from a message to the member. ?I have also been adding Notes about whether or not the person has posted to the group (or date of last post), etc.
Frances
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:23 AM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
(and give moderators the knowledge and history they need).
I have been finding quite a bit of information about specific bouncing / RI members. In activity history and in Email Delivery History. Recently, Mark put in the capability to roll your mouse over the B to see last result from a message to the member. ?I have also been adding Notes about whether or not the person has posted to the group (or date of last post), etc.

Frances
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Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

In a group I own, I have 6 (of 700+) who are RI.
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Yet, I have many more who are Bounced or Not confirmed who have been in that state for a long time in spite of my attempts.
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I do find some value in being able to see all of these people as "members", yet it does seem like all of these status' should be treated in a similar manner (and give moderators the knowledge and history they need).
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Comments Here?
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[excessive multiline sig trimmed by moderator]

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On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:37:07 AM EST, Tommy Meehan <tmeehan0421@...> wrote:
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There are obviously a lot of members here concerned with this: group members who have still not reverified. When will they be removed? There seemed to be a deadline of February 11tth, The original message from Groups.io stated that "After that, members still in the RI state will be removed from groups." Some group owners -- like me! -- took that to mean the RI members would be removed beginning Feb. 1th.

Yesterday on the Beta Group Mark clarified that.

Mark wrote that there are still some RI members reverifying, even at this late date, and due to that he has decided to give them an additional two weeks before final removal begins. I don't have any real problem with that.

tommy meehan
Direct Add member notice

 

Hi,

I'm finishing up a direct add flow from my website using the APIs. I turned on the Direct Add notice and put in the needed fields. However, I'm not getting the notice when I do the Direct Add on my test email account.

Anyone have any experience with this? Anyone else using the Direct Add notice under Admin -> Settings -> Member Notices?

I see under Admin -> Settings -> Direct Add that you can turn off or on the sending of this notice. Ours is turned on.

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Finally, I did a Direct Add interactively on the Groups admin web site and I got the Welcome, Direct Add, and Group Guidelines emails. When I do this with the API I get none of them.

Anyone else using the API for this? Shouldn't these scenarios work the same?

TIA for any help.

Gary Sandler
JewishGen?
Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

There are obviously a lot of members here concerned with this: group members who have still not reverified. When will they be removed? There seemed to be a deadline of February 11tth, The original message from Groups.io stated that "After that, members still in the RI state will be removed from groups." Some group owners -- like me! -- took that to mean the RI members would be removed beginning Feb. 1th.

Yesterday on the Beta Group Mark clarified that.

Mark wrote that there are still some RI members reverifying, even at this late date, and due to that he has decided to give them an additional two weeks before final removal begins. I don't have any real problem with that.

tommy meehan
Re: Reply question

 

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I use Yahoo mail as well. The ¡°Reply¡± and ¡°Reply All¡± buttons at the top of the screen will follow the settings for the group. ¡°Reply All¡± will usually do the same as ¡°Reply¡±.

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The links in the footer of the message are different. ¡°Reply To Group¡± will do just as it says, send a reply to the Group. Same with ¡°Reply To Sender¡± which will reply only to the sender of the email, not the group.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Margot via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 4:12 PM
To: GMF <[email protected]>
Subject: [GMF] Reply question

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Hi, Confusion about owner settings for how members reply¡­

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Is it the custom for a member, when replying to a post to click one of the choices at the bottom : Reply to Sender, or Reply all?

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If my settings say that a reply goes to everyone, then is that what happens if the sender replies at the top,with one arrow, or two (as my Yahoo format has). ?If, as owner I set it to just repy to sender, does that negate the replier using one of the bottom reply links?

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Re: Reply question

 

About the footers: ?I don¡¯t have Reply All. I see Reply to Group.
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Re: Reply question

 

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 05:14 PM, Margot wrote:
Is it the custom for a member, when replying to a post to click one of the choices at the bottom : Reply to Sender, or Reply all?
I only use the footer when I want to reply only to the sender. Otherwise, I use my email program itself. Or I use the footer to go to the message in Groups.io.?
If my settings say that a reply goes to everyone, then is that what happens if the sender replies at the top, with one arrow, or two (as my Yahoo format has). ?If, as owner I set it to just reply to sender, does that negate the replier using one of the bottom reply links?
I can't give you info about Yahoo Mail, but I would not set my group preferences to just reply to sender. ?I have my settings for most groups as Reply to Group, but I don't choose "Remove Other Reply Options".
Removes links on the website and digest to reply options other than your selected Reply To option. ?

You can check the Help?/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/message-policy-settings

Frances

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Reply question

 

Hi, Confusion about owner settings for how members reply¡­

Is it the custom for a member, when replying to a post to click one of the choices at the bottom : Reply to Sender, or Reply all?

If my settings say that a reply goes to everyone, then is that what happens if the sender replies at the top,with one arrow, or two (as my Yahoo format has). ?If, as owner I set it to just repy to sender, does that negate the replier using one of the bottom reply links?


Margot
Re: 1st subgroup

 

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 09:19 AM, Brad Parker, ??? | KADC wrote:
I wanted to make sure we didn't need some kind of campaign to tell everyone to update their address books.
If you may ever delete all subgroups, then I wouldn't do that.? If you intend to always have at least one subgroup, even as a placeholder, it's not a bad idea for them to update, but not mandatory.

Duane
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Re: 1st subgroup

 

Thanks. I wanted to make sure we didn't need some kind of campaign to tell everyone to update their address books.
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