On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 05:53 PM, Jules wrote:

I have had my group transferred which is great.?

The messages were transferred over and put in a main folder.?

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I tried to export the whole messages and download to a zip file as the process I thought was the same as moving photos. ?I had created a subfolder and uploaded the message directory but I cannot open the folder to see individual messages. ?

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I am using an Apple Mac. ?

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Can anyone help Please.?

I want members to view the messages for references but only in a subgroup for members only. ?Could you please point me to instructions on how this is done as I still have the zip

File on my laptop and also the messages are still in the main area. ?

So, you transferred all your messages into the main group, right?
If you just wanted to prevent discussion on a thread, in other words, stop a thread from growing, you can lock topics. That doesn't stop someone from starting a new thread on the topic with a slightly different name though.

You mention moving the posts into a subgroup. You only want some members (members of a subgroup) to read them. You would have to send them to your subgroup. Don't forget to properly set up your subgroup. Members of a subgroup need to be members of the main group too.

What about putting them in files? Perhaps files in the subgroup?

Suggestions, folks?

Frances


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On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 06:20 PM, Ken KM4NFQ wrote:

My only experience with mailing lists has been as a member. I will have to figure out how to be an owner of a mailing list by trial and error. Thanks again for your input.

Be sure to spend a little time now tweaking your set up.
Here's an overview:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation

Lots more info here if you decide to use features like the calendar -?
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home

Frances
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On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 06:12 PM, Ken KM4NFQ wrote:

I
would like to solicit some input about how much time it takes to
manage a group on a daily basis?

Ken,

As you will likely see, the answer is, "It depends".

I can offer my opinion based on my experience. I "administer" a small Ham Radio group. By that, I mean that I have "Owner" status. It took several hours over a couple days in moving the group over from Yahoo a few years ago and then helping out members get up to speed with the differences between the two platforms and making sure that everyone got transferred and could read and send messages.

We are all a bunch of friends and no one needs to be on moderation. So, my job is pretty much trivial. There is an occasional question if someone is having problems, but other than that I may as well just be a normal "Member". On the other hand, I do try to stay up on issues that might arise, so I try to keep up with this GMF group. That does take me about an hour a day. However, since I am retired and have spare time on my hands and I am interested in this stuff, I don't consider that a big deal. If I was pressed for time, I could just wait for a problem to come up and then search or inquire here for assistance.

I don't think nearly enough people know it, but this group (GMF) is a big part of what makes GIO such a great place to be. You'd never be on your own.

One other tip, don't be afraid to get a couple others up to speed in Moderator duty in case you may want to be able to take a vacation from time to time.?

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I'm the owner of a small, unmoderated and very civil group.? In normal times, it takes me hardly any time to manage it.? Obviously, the last month (in which we transferred membership and 10 years' worth of messages, photos, and files from Yahoo to Groups.io) weren't "normal times."? But you're thinking of starting a group that'd use Groups.io right from the start.? Setting it up will take almost no time; doing your initial "outreach" and sending invitations to people (a few dozen? a few hundred?) will take more; writing a little welcome message and perhaps explaning some GIO basics, ditto; but after that you might find that your group pretty much...runs itself.

My big time drain is writing posts.? My members are modest and many won't toot their own horns, so instead of posting that they're getting an award or speaking at an event or whatever, they tell me and I pass it on (as if I discovered it on my own).? Yeah, I wish they'd do it themselves but no big deal.

You must, must have some kind of control to deter spammers and trolls.? My choice is to restrict membership (new members require my approval; mine's an alumni group, so it's pretty easy to verify their connection) but then let them post unmoderated.? Works fine for me but not necessarily for everyone.

Oh, and I'm guilty of this myself: not to be ghoulish, find yourself a co-owner so that things can continue if you're hit by a bus.? Dozens of Yahoo groups can't use "Easy Transfer" (and yes, it was easy, though a bit bottlenecked because of the surge in demand) because the owner has died or disappeared.

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I'm sorry, I think I posted the screenshot multiple times in the same post. Not sure how that happened. My apologies.

I just heard back from the member who said that it only happens consistently with the Groups.io digests. The only other times she has a problem like this is if someone sends a large photo or pastes from an Excel file. She does increase the size of the text, but that's not something she can change, or she won't be able to read the mailing. The ability to resize text is a basic ADA issue, and has to be taken into account by developers to make sites accessible for seniors and people with disabilities, which many of our members are.

So it looks like the image in the footer may well be the culprit and perhaps the fixed width of the digests. Rather than forcing individual users to find workarounds, is this something that should be reported as a bug to Mark? People who have signed up for digests don't have time to read posts in real time, so there's no way that they are going to do a lot of altering of the settings that work for them for all other mail, just to read these digests. It? defeats the purpose of the digests. Since the lists I manage have a lot of members with disabilities, it makes such frequent workarounds a real burden that shouldn't be necessary.

Thank you all so much for helping figure this out.

I'd add that if you need to be hands-on in terms of dealing with disputes, inappropriate posts, breaches of guidelines, etc. then of course it will take more time.

I have a group of 900 users who post about 600 messages per month. 95% of the time I average well under half an hour a week, and it's almost all just approving new members or helping someone with a technical problem. If something blows up - e.g, someone hurls an insult and I have to get involved - it can turn into a lot more time. But that's rare.

Pete

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My 5 main groups are all completed.

Now I'm trying to transfer several subgroups into the main groups.
Since Transfer has not joined as yet, I can't make it a Mod, hence there is no status.

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On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 10:05 PM, Margo Seegrist wrote:

So is that incorrect?

I very much suspect so. The first problem (which I described above) is that the photos retrieved from Yahoo are likely to exceed the storage space available for a Basic group. That would mean that it would be impossible to upload all the photos.

The second problem - which is more of a very strong suspicion than a certainty at the moment - is that the original attribution of the each photo to the person who originally uploaded it to Yahoo may have been lost when they were downloaded from Yahoo; even if it hasn't it may not survive the uploading to Groups.io. If either of those happens the effect will be that ALL the newly uploaded photos will be attributed to (i.e. belong to) the person who uploaded them. Once that happens one result is that the only people who can move or edit them (edit includes delete) are (a) the individual who uploaded them to Groups.io and (b) other Owners & Moderators of the same group.

Even if the above was not the case I don't think expecting an unspecified number of people to somehow sort out a tangle of archived photographs will ever work. They will work on different timescales and to different agendas... or they just won't bother at all. Unfortunately it needs one person with the time and determination to take it on and to slowly plough their way through it.

The longest march starts with a single step...

Chris

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 05:12 PM, Ken KM4NFQ wrote:

I am just starting to do some research into starting a group and I
would like to solicit some input about how much time it takes to
manage a group on a daily basis? I do not want to start a group, then
find out that it takes too much time to moderate/manage/maintain.

It depends on a lot of factors.?

Moderated or not? If?moderated, and it is of interest to people in other time zones, you might like to find at least another moderator ideally in another time zone. Just be careful about what privileges you give them - see about promoting someone -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Promotion%2C-Status-or-Permissions-Change-to-Moderator-or-Owner

This group takes quite a bit of time because it is fairly large, moderated and active. Other groups I belong to are mostly small and unmoderated. One that is moderated isn't particularly active - actually needs a prod now and again!?

Also if you have a lot of people without much online experience, you might find they need more handholding. Create a few help pages. Use parts of GMF wiki.

I think that you need to give us a bit more details. Size of group, transfer from YahooGroups or not, group setup.
And of course, your group members likely will get used to the response time, if it is moderated.

Frances
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Bruce and Frances,

Thanks for your input.? From what you both said, I am pretty much resigned to the fact that it can't be done that way.? I uploaded almost as many albums and photos to another group, that I really cared about where the owner was locked out and that was a pain. I don't want to do it again, especially as I am just helping a friend.? As you pointed out the ownership didn't come out right but the titles of the albums were edited to show whose photos they were, at least where I could tell.? Only a couple of people needed access to add to or rearrange the photos, so that wasn't a big deal.? Most didn't care about changing or adding.??? Your idea of hosting on a photo sharing site is a good one for an active group, but this group is not that active right now though it has a huge number of users, hundreds of which are either old spammers who were banned or people whose emails are bouncing, so I doubt there would be much activity in pulling down photos to the group from that site.? But for the hobby involved it contains a lot of valuable reference information in messages, files, and photos.? (I am hosting the messages off site with a link in the description.)

Thanks again for the help

Dale

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On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 05:12 PM, J Forster wrote:

I sent the invites a few days ago and Transfer has not joined as yet. I'll resend.

J -- You should check your status first, as I told you when you asked the same question back on Nov 6th.

Ref:?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/22605

Bruce

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 05:05 PM, Margo Seegrist wrote:

I responded privately to Dale suggesting that when he creates the Yahoo photos album that he set it for all members to be able to Add photos to that album.? I was assuming that since everyone can add - they should also be able to delete.? Are you saying that is incorrect??

Margo -- That is incorrect.?

In groups.io, photo ownership is entirely separate from folder ownership. If someone uploads a photo to someone else's public photo folder, they can later delete (or move) that photo, but won't be able to do the same with other photos in that album.

They can't delete out of the Yahoo photos album? etc...

Yahoo could also be used as a cloud storage repository -- per my previous suggestion --? IF the whole thing gets done within the next 28 days, and Yahoo does not crash and burn before then. That said, Dale has already stated that he safely downloaded all the images, using PGOffline, and probably doesn't want to go that route. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm mistaken.

Regards,
Bruce

Greetings,

I am just starting to do some research into starting a group and I
would like to solicit some input about how much time it takes to
manage a group on a daily basis? I do not want to start a group, then
find out that it takes too much time to moderate/manage/maintain. I am
seeking input from all levels of experience, from owners and
moderators of small groups to large groups. If this question has
already been covered, then please point me to the appropriate
post/thread. Thank you in advance.

Regards,
Ken, KM4NFQ "Not Fully Qualified"

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Thank you.

I sent the invites a few days ago and Transfer has not joined as yet. I'll resens.

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