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The group owner, obviously, is what I was referring to. C'est moi, in this case. -P.

Tue, 13 Jun 2023 17:43:52 -0400, "Peter S. Shenkin" <shenkin@...>, wrote: Have you received a legal written opinion about that? Mark Fletcher *is* the owner. Arno

Peter, I've never had anyone tell me that the boilerplate text turned them away from the group, so I can't say it would help me. It wouldn't hurt my groups, so my only concern would be if it can't be

I agree that it might not pass the "who cares" test. So far, I'm the only one who cares! -P.

I don't see it changing. It has to meet the standards of the EU as well as other jurisdictions. They may actually require the legal stuff first. If that's the case, it won't be changed. To suggest

That may be your view but I'm guessing, as has also been stated before, that the current format has been reviewed by legal professionals which is why it is how it is. Regards Andy

It does not compromise legality. For the third or fourth time in this discussion, I will say that the legally required material can be stated concisely in a footer that would always be present. That

It is needed because Mark Fletcher (who owns Groups.io) recognises that he has a legal responsibility to ensure that his Company observes the law; what you are asking for effectively strips him and

If the legally required information is expressed concisely in a footer, similar (to but not exactly the same as) the footer that appears at the bottom of this message, then the narrative part could be

/On 2023-06-13 13:41, Peter S. Shenkin via groups.io wrote:// / You can suggest changes or whatnot regarding this in the beta <https://beta.groups.io/g/main> group, that's where new features, bugs,

I expect it's a matter of legal risk avoidance.? Depending on jurisdiction, Groups.io could be held responsible for the legal text, which they cannot control unless they force its inclusion.

Right now, it is the middle of the official message, neither before nor after it. But I don't see why official wording is needed at all, just as long as the required information is present. And as I

It states it ( /helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-member-notices/direct-add-notice ) quite clearly to me. In order to even have a chance at a change, you'd have to request it on the

I already said that I included all the information (as far as I know) in my own message, which I expected would replace the officialese. There is nothing I saw in the documentation that said that the

What I think would help is if the added message would appear above the default text, not under it. With our small-screen, short-attention-span environment, the first impression is "What is this stuff.

My group is not a discussion group. I have my group set to an announcement group with all new postings by me only and all responses to my postings to me only. This is appropriate for this situation. I

Based on most interpretations of worldwide law, the "officialese" has to come first so folks can easily leave if they want.? Of course, spammers don't pay any attention to minor things like laws.

You're confusing two notices, Welcome and Direct Add.? Welcome is sent when someone joins your group on their own or you add them, Direct Add is only used when you add them.? There is a default

I might add that this entire problem could be finessed by concisely?adding the required information in a footer, rather?than embedding the group owner's original message in a morass of officialese.

I did include the information you refer to in my own Direct Add massage. I noted in my posting that the GMF welcome message does not include the boilerplate welcome, and was told in a response to my