I just sent a message in a different Group from the .IO WEB site poster page,
and the little balloon thing was there,
but that line was blank otherwise... (I think it is under construction.)

Rick

On April 13, 2018 at 4:49 PM Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

Bruce,

The screenshot was worth a thousand words. I see exactly what you see now that I know what I am looking for. In my case, all I see is a very brief flash of the initial screen as it immediately gets overwritten.

Solution: Get yourself a faster computer ;-)

--
Gerald

Sent from my WEBmail.

On 04/13/2018 08:57 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

Just the act of of putting an emailed posting into a spam folder does not trigger this event.

That literally depends upon the ESP.
Some send the report, as soon as the email in the spam folder is
deleted. Others, as soon as the message hits the spam folder. And with
still others, nothing happens.

A short and incomplete list of organizations that allegedly offer FBLs are:
* AOL
* Bluetie/Excite
* Comcast
* Cox
* Earthlink
* Fastmail
* Hotmail
* IBM SmartCloud
* OpenSRS/Tucows
* Mail.com
* Mail.ru
*
* Rackspace (formerly Mailtrust)
* RoadRunner/Time Warner
* Synacor
* Terra
* USA.NET
* United Online/Juno/Netzero
* Yahoo!
* Zoho.com
* Italia Online
* GMail

I'll grant that calling GMails offering an FBL might be a bit of a
stretch. OTOH, it would enable Mark to more easily identify "problem
lists". (If I understood the PostMaster Display Board, it looks like it
can be narrowed down to the specific email, if the appropriate header
format is used by Groups.IO)

I don't have a list of email domains that those ESPs provide.
I don't know what sort of hoops are required, to sign up for the FBLs.

#####

CC because my impression is that Mark does not have a list of ESPs that
offer FBLs.

jonathon

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:27 am, Paul Konanz wrote:

Search the GMF archive; there are dozens of postings pro and con on this issue.

Paul; the most recent of those postings are gathered in the Automatic Deletion of Members If Message Marked As Spam thread with a Poll attached further down the front page, assuming that you read this on the web UI rather than by email. It currently stands at 89 posts and may or may not grow further.

Out of that topic a fairly comprehensive wiki page has been written, and as whoever moderated your post said "See the wiki page about it"; it may not be immediately obvious but the moderator put a link there for you, and it's in the pasted version here as well. While noting that it is still technically a "work in progress" I don't think there is much more that will be done with it; it is certainly comprehensive enough for you to paste into your own group's wiki. Once you have done that? I also suggest that you send out a post drawing your members' attention to it, and make that post "sticky" so that it remains in view on the group web UI. A suitable hashtag against it will also help; I use Group_Management.

IMHO important topics such as "members being deleted..." show up what I would regard as a major weakness in people relying on email access rather than the web UI. Emails are quite ephemeral; they come, they go and will often be forgotten about not much later, so an email containing important "Group Management" information gets forgotten along with the rest. Using the web UI means that "sticky topics" with a hashtag in an eye - grabbing colour will act as reminders every time someone accesses the group via the UI; that simply won't happen with email access.

Having said that I daresay that expecting people to use the web UI in the days of smart phones is simply expecting too much, sad to say... in my view it is much more useful.

Regards,

Chris

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On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 02:31 pm, Gerald Boutin wrote:

Solution: Get yourself a faster computer ;-)

A faster computer is not going to bring back my upload button.

Bruce

Try right-clicking on the image and select "View Image". Then try Ctrl-+ and Ctrl-minus to zoom in and out. Don't bother saving. I am cranking up a Win10 VM to verify.

As long as the browser used doesn't clear cookies when it closes, the login is good for 30 days on each device.? I'd suspect a setting on their phone.

Duane
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Help: /static/help
GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Search button at the top of Messages list
A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions

Yes. I stay logged in all the time. I just keep the page open in Safari. Occasionally, I get logged out, and I just use the e-mail me a login link feature (but you could use a login and password as well). I stay signed in on my IPAD as well.

Jean

Any IO posting that gets put into a member spam folder whether with or without their knowledge WILL result in them being un-subscribed.?

Paul,

You are incorrectly overstating the problem.

Just the act of of putting an emailed posting into a spam folder does not trigger this event.

Gerald


[Mod note : the difficulty is that the trigger is dependent on the recipient's email service provider,
?so blanket statements are wrong for many users. Some, e.g. Gmail, don't send reports at all.]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 09:09 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Mark mentioned that there are glitches with the HTML editor and he was working
on it, so maybe that's what you're seeing.

I hope so.

My ISP's email server just came back online, so here's that screenshot I was talking about. Top half shows what happens as it first loads and the bottom what it looks like after the edit box renders.

Bruce

-- Sent from my humble desktop computer

?Bruce,

The screenshot was worth a thousand words. I see exactly what you see now that I know what I am looking for. In my case, all I see is a very brief flash of the initial screen as it immediately gets overwritten.

Solution: Get yourself a faster computer ;-)

--
Gerald

I never use my phone for connecting to Groups.io and one of my members wrote to me and asked the following question:

I was wondering...Is there a way to stay logged into the groups on the iPhone?? I can stay logged in on my computer, but not on my phone...and I hate having to put my email and password in each time...

I told her I would ask here on the forum.? thank you for any input you can give me to pass on to her.

Janice B
New Statler Siblings Group

That isn't just a Chrome feature. I am sure it is the same in Firefox and Seamonkey, and probably IE as well.

Jim, I am using Windows 10 and Edge as my browser. When I download the photo
using Edge, it does not offer me the zoom function you are talking about. I
did find I could copy and paste it from there to my desktop and the Windows
Photo Viewer opens up and allows me to zoom in. So I have a work-around.
I did try the method someone mentioned earlier about using Chrome and
zooming in by using CTRL and the mouse wheel, but that doesn't work on my
computer for some reason.

Annick Phillips

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On 12 Apr 2018 at 20:06, Annick Phillips wrote:

I did find that if I used Google Chrome for my browser to access the group, when
I download a photo it allows me to save it as a jpeg when I right click on it,
but still I'd rather have the options we had at Yahoo. I don't always want to
save a photo to my hard drive just to be able to zoom in on details like I can
when it opens up in Windows Photo Viewer. Thanks, Bruce, for requesting that
change at the beta group.

You can do that in your browser. Just view it in the browser page, then use the
browser's zoom function to show as much fine detail as you like.

Jim Fisher

--
- My thoughts on freedom (needs updating)
- political snippets, especially economic policy
- misc. snippets, some political, some not
Forget Google! I search with which doesn't spy on you

That is an Admin or Moderator view,
it looks different there viewing as a normal member account.
Still "broken", but different...

Rick

On April 13, 2018 at 11:39 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

Mark mentioned that there are glitches with the HTML editor and he was working
on it, so maybe that's what you're seeing.

I hope so.

My ISP's email server just came back online, so here's that screenshot I was talking about. Top half shows what happens as it first loads and the bottom what it looks like after the edit box renders.

Bruce

-- Sent from my humble desktop computer

Sent from my WEBmail.

On 03/24/2018 03:39 AM, toki wrote:

If the list is "owned" by the charity, or is an official organ of the
charity, then full compliance is required. If the list is owned by an
individual, then some aspects might be dropped. This is what the court
cases will be about.

Following up on this, despite the GDPR being an EU directive, specifics
are up to the individual member states. Those differences can be
startling:
* Estonia, for example, requires compliance within five working days,
with a single fifteen day extension permitted, if, and only if, the
original request lacked clarity;
* Ireland, OTOH, gives thirty days to comply, with no extensions;

Additional things that gave me pause were:
* All requested data must be provided to the requester, in a commonly
used format. So far so good. However, for list owners, that means that
if a request is made of all emails sent by the individual, or quote the
individual, the list-owner has to be provide them to the requester. The
only path to compliance with that, that I can see, is to set up an email
account that receives all messages sent to the list, and automatically
archives them in an email forensic analysis program;
* Consent to subscribe must be explicit, and must be retained by the
list owner. This implies that list-owners and moderators should not
auto-subscribe individuals, but will, on request, have to unsubscribe
individuals;
* Membership lists contain personal data, and as such, probably should
not be publicly available;

#####

Something to consider, is appointing one moderator, whose sole function
is to ensure conformance with GDPR (Europe), CASL (Canada. I have no
idea what this law is about, but I've heard it often enough in
discussions about GDPR, to assume that it has some relevance), and other
privacy legislation in other countries, or regions of the world. IOW, a
mailing list _Data Protection Officer_.

jonathon

On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 05:22:03PM -0700, Jeremy Harrison via Groups.Io wrote:

A 'reply' in e-mail will default to whatever the group 'reply-to' (I think
there may be some logic to remove specific 'sender' if they will get it as part
of group) setting is (this can be changed), and 'reply-all' will also include
the CC list. When using groups.io reply facility the only options are (I think)
'group' and 'sender'.

Ideal would be to not insert a reply-to header in the message at all.
It isn't even something a mailing list should be setting, it should be
passed through so that the user can decide where they want replies to
go. At least for our list.

David

On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 08:17:07PM -0700, Shal Farley wrote:

If I'm reading the thread correctly, should our setting be updated to
"Reply to Group"?

If you're talking about David's group, yes. That would best enable what
he wants (replies to his Groups.io and also another list).

To make it even better a suggestion could be posted on beta to add an
"All Recipients" setting to the Reply-To option. Then when a member
happens to cross-post to another list, that other list would be included
in the Reply-To field generated by Groups.io.

I previously checked the headers, and the group was not getting a
Reply-To header. I think this is the best solution, since it just
leaves things for the email client to use (it allows people to reply
to just the author, or to everyone, etc). Trying to keep the "CC"
people as CC etc is not going to work if the reply-to header is set.

If you're talking about some other group, then it would depend on the
needs of the group. Some groups aren't really for conversations but more
of a bulletin-board. Examples include Freecycle, Freegle, and other
sharing-oriented groups; in this type of group it is more appropriate
that replies to offers be sent only to the original poster.

This is definitely conversation-based. Many people on the group will
be used to threaded reply views, and that kind of thing.

Thanks,
David