On 03/24/2018 03:39 AM, toki wrote:

If the list is "owned" by the charity, or is an official organ of the
charity, then full compliance is required. If the list is owned by an
individual, then some aspects might be dropped. This is what the court
cases will be about.

Following up on this, despite the GDPR being an EU directive, specifics
are up to the individual member states. Those differences can be
startling:
* Estonia, for example, requires compliance within five working days,
with a single fifteen day extension permitted, if, and only if, the
original request lacked clarity;
* Ireland, OTOH, gives thirty days to comply, with no extensions;

Additional things that gave me pause were:
* All requested data must be provided to the requester, in a commonly
used format. So far so good. However, for list owners, that means that
if a request is made of all emails sent by the individual, or quote the
individual, the list-owner has to be provide them to the requester. The
only path to compliance with that, that I can see, is to set up an email
account that receives all messages sent to the list, and automatically
archives them in an email forensic analysis program;
* Consent to subscribe must be explicit, and must be retained by the
list owner. This implies that list-owners and moderators should not
auto-subscribe individuals, but will, on request, have to unsubscribe
individuals;
* Membership lists contain personal data, and as such, probably should
not be publicly available;

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Something to consider, is appointing one moderator, whose sole function
is to ensure conformance with GDPR (Europe), CASL (Canada. I have no
idea what this law is about, but I've heard it often enough in
discussions about GDPR, to assume that it has some relevance), and other
privacy legislation in other countries, or regions of the world. IOW, a
mailing list _Data Protection Officer_.

jonathon

On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 05:22:03PM -0700, Jeremy Harrison via Groups.Io wrote:

A 'reply' in e-mail will default to whatever the group 'reply-to' (I think
there may be some logic to remove specific 'sender' if they will get it as part
of group) setting is (this can be changed), and 'reply-all' will also include
the CC list. When using groups.io reply facility the only options are (I think)
'group' and 'sender'.

Ideal would be to not insert a reply-to header in the message at all.
It isn't even something a mailing list should be setting, it should be
passed through so that the user can decide where they want replies to
go. At least for our list.

David

On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 08:17:07PM -0700, Shal Farley wrote:

If I'm reading the thread correctly, should our setting be updated to
"Reply to Group"?

If you're talking about David's group, yes. That would best enable what
he wants (replies to his Groups.io and also another list).

To make it even better a suggestion could be posted on beta to add an
"All Recipients" setting to the Reply-To option. Then when a member
happens to cross-post to another list, that other list would be included
in the Reply-To field generated by Groups.io.

I previously checked the headers, and the group was not getting a
Reply-To header. I think this is the best solution, since it just
leaves things for the email client to use (it allows people to reply
to just the author, or to everyone, etc). Trying to keep the "CC"
people as CC etc is not going to work if the reply-to header is set.

If you're talking about some other group, then it would depend on the
needs of the group. Some groups aren't really for conversations but more
of a bulletin-board. Examples include Freecycle, Freegle, and other
sharing-oriented groups; in this type of group it is more appropriate
that replies to offers be sent only to the original poster.

This is definitely conversation-based. Many people on the group will
be used to threaded reply views, and that kind of thing.

Thanks,
David

Mark mentioned that there are glitches with the HTML editor and he was working
on it, so maybe that's what you're seeing.

I hope so.

My ISP's email server just came back online, so here's that screenshot I was talking about. Top half shows what happens as it first loads and the bottom what it looks like after the edit box renders.

Bruce

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On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 07:25 am, <mike@...> wrote:

...simply send a message to the moderators saying something like?"Please re-verify that X is still a member of this group."

I think that misses a couple of points. Firstly if the "recipient" concerned wasn't a member of the Group then they wouldn't have been sent the email in the first place; secondly your suggestion includes nothing that would prompt the recipient to actually do something in an attempt to either prevent incoming traffic from being marked as spam or at the very least reduce the incidence.

Your proposal could go on ad infinitum with no action being taken to find a "cure". In the meantime those MSPs operating FBLs might spot that the spam just kept rolling in, and that isn't desirable. Whatever course of action is adopted there has to be something that prompts action on the part of the recipient.

Chris

I happened to think that my posting preference might be involved.? Turns out that using HTML preference has the "Quote Whole Post" glitch, but markdown and plain text show the icon.? Mark mentioned that there are glitches with the HTML editor and he was working on it, so maybe that's what you're seeing.

Duane
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On 04/13/2018 08:46 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

If it takes 4 days, will those 4 days of new messages become lost? We
average a couple dozen messages daily.

Yes, message posted to the Y!Group after the transfer agent collects its
messages will be orphaned on the Y!Group.

Didn't Mark write something about being able to do a second sweep, to
pick up orphaned messages. The limitation being that it has to be
specifically requested.

jonathon

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 12:49 am, Annick Phillips wrote:

I hope they can figure out eventually how it was done at the Yahoo groups.

Annick -- I posted a request to this effect in the beta group. As is all too frequently the case around here, it got shot down quicker than a wounded duck...but at least I tried.

Bruce

I've tried Chrome and Firefox in XP, and Edge and Chrome in W10. Same story.

I tried disabling and reenabling attachments in the group settings. No help.

It's happening here in GMF and also in other groups.

At this point my ISP's email server is down so I can't send that screenshot yet. I'd think this might be relevant if my other group subscribers weren't experiencing the same problem.

Scratching my head, for sure.

Bruce

??As a complete "non-techie" -?it would seem to me that it should be simple?to NOT?automatically?remove a member,?but to simply send a message to the moderators saying something like?"Please re-verify that X is still a member of this group." The system should NOT?automatically remove any member.? ?

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 06:35 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

I have tried refreshing the page and clearing my browser cache.

Could it be browser specific?? I'm not seeing any problems, other than the "Quote Whole Post" that Gerald mentioned, using an older version of Firefox.

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On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 12:50 am, Gerald Boutin wrote:

I am assuming you are referring to the New Topic editor since you mention Send/Discard.?

That's correct.

In any case, the Attachment button and icon show up and function properly for both editors. Perhaps you just have a blank button. If you click where the attachment button should be, does it bring up the attach dialog?

I've tried hovering and clicking all over the place and nothing happens. Because I can't attach a file to this one, I will have to send you a screen shot in an email.

I doubt that refreshing the screen is a valid operation and may well be browser dependent. I can't say if something changed there since I don't refresh the page when I am in the midst of composing a message.?To summarize, between the New Topic and Reply editor, the only issue I see is a missing graphic for the "Quote Whole Post" button.

I have tried refreshing the page and clearing my browser cache. The problem first came to my notice when my subscribers started complaining. I guess the next step is a bug report.

Bruce

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The Databases of Groups.io is not (yet, maybe never) so featured. Google Sheets is. Better yet for registrations is Google Forms which maps online form fields to spreadsheet cells, one row per filled--in form.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 04:59 pm, I wrote:

Step 1 has to be to prevent your members list being visible by all the members. (This may have limited impact as your troublemaker may have downloaded a complete list anyway, but you have to start somewhere.

I have just realised that while doing the above may be a good idea regardless, it may not actually help much, even if you persuade your entire membership (how many, just out of interest?) to change their email addresses, for the simple reason that Group posts sent to members by email show the originator's email address regardless, and I haven't spotted a way of suppressing that anywhere in "Settings".

All your malicious poster would need to do is pick out the email addresses from the outgoing emails. I am assuming, of course, that this is an "inside job" and that your troublemaker is a member who can see all the emails.

I can think of a perhaps underhand way of setting some bait, although whether the trap would actually catch anyone is uncertain. I'll keep that one to myself for now.

Regards,

Chris

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Hello Everyone,?

I'm looking for an idea or two if anyone has some ideas.?

Created a simple Database, I want my members to be able to edit the content of a row, but not delete the entire row (by default this seems to be locked in). Or if there were a way to unlock one column and have the content in it be editable by members.

Essentially we are creating a signup sheet where folks can signup for various things, of course we'd prefer they cannot delete all the other entries, but one thing at a time.

Thoughts please??

-Jerry

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 06:05 pm, Annick Phillips wrote:

I did find that if I used Google Chrome for my browser to access the group, when I download a photo it allows me to save it as a jpeg when I right click on it, but still I’d rather have the options we had at Yahoo. I don’t always want to save a photo to my hard drive just to be able to zoom in on details like I can when it opens up in Windows Photo Viewer. Thanks, Bruce, for requesting that change at the beta group.

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Annick Phillips

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Annick,

You can use the Chrome browser to zoom in on photos by using CTRL + mouse-wheel.

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Bruce,

I am assuming you are referring to the New Topic editor since you mention Send/Discard. On the other hand, the "Quote Whole Post" button in the Reply editor no longer has a graphic, but does still function properly.

In any case, the Attachment button and icon show up and function properly for both editors. Perhaps you just have a blank button. If you click where the attachment button should be, does it bring up the attach dialog?

I doubt that refreshing the screen is a valid operation and may well be browser dependent. I can't say if something changed there since I don't refresh the page when I am in the midst of composing a message.?To summarize, between the New Topic and Reply editor, the only issue I see is a missing graphic for the "Quote Whole Post" button.
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