I got a notice from groups.io that someone had objection to the content of a particular file, but the file was identified only by a groups.io id#.? How do I find what file they are actually talking about?

Thanks,

Dan

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 03:20 am, Chris Jones wrote:

This entire discussion is becoming uncomfortably polarised,

Ha! You should see some of the warfare on beta. :)
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I just transferred a bunch of groups and am getting questions about message formatting I can’t answer. There doesn’t seem to be a description of exactly what these settings mean.

What is the default if I don’t check any of these?

Force HTML Emails
Make all emails HTML and remove the plain text digest option.

This one seems clear — change everything to HTML but what if the message is written in plain text?

Normalize HTML Emails
Strip all different fonts and colors from HTML emails.

What does this do to links? Complaints that links are being stretched out to http addresses rather than the name.

I like the strip out colors and fonts but what else does it do.

Plain Text Only
Strip out HTML messages.

This one seems clear, convert all to plain text —stretch out links, no colors or formatting, etc.

It would be nice to have a screen shot of a message in all these formats.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Washington DC

"Save Our Planet. It's the only one with chocolate."

Hi

I wonder whether Mark would be willing to do two things, a compromise.

When “notified” about spam,

- if the group is set to DISALLOW No Mail status, the member is unsubscribed and sent the usual resubscribe message and link.

- if the group is set to ALLOW No Mail, the member is set to No Mail.

Frankly, I wouldn’t want a lot of members in my groups that I couldn’t easily send a message to. We don’t use Special Notice often, but it is a useful tool. With No Mail enabled, you can’t do that.

Also I am not sure that people will be any less confused when they stop getting mail, even if they send a message to the group.

I think there were proposals for a better message. Not sure if that happened.

The question then would be - do group managers whose groups allow No Mail setting agree to setting the subscriber to No Mail if they or their email provider mark something as spam.

Frances

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I thought it might be helpful, or reassuring to know why I did not respond to the poll, as others may have the same reasoning. I have made an assumption, whether accurate or not, that Mark's FBL agreement with some ISPs requires that they be 'dismembered'.? He may not have a choice, so all of our ideas may be moot.

Cacky

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 04:43 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Jeremy,

> My thought is that unsubscribing people, and allowing them to rejoin
> the group, is perhaps a bit brutal, and will frequently lead them to
> yo-yo out and back into the group. and not necessarily resolve the
> 'marked as spam' problem.

I don't see how suspending message delivery by a different means (e.g.
No Mail) would be any more effective at resolving the issue.

Q: What is the issue, and what should we do about it?
A: Issue is messages being flagged as spam - with consequent bad effects for Groups.io. What we should do is stop sending messages, until/unless they will not be flagged as spam.
Reason for setting to no mail rather than unsubscribing, is that it avoids a 'Msg marked as spam -> Unsubscribed -> Resubscribe -> msg sent -> marked as spam -> round we go again' loop. If member is already happily reading messages via web rather than in (spam box) e-mail I would suggest this is likely.?
And the unfriendliness of 'messages to you have been marked as spam (even if you had nothing to do with this), so we don't want you as a member' message (and the last seven words may be read as two, the second being 'off')

An advantage to "dismemberment" is that it correctly handles the other
case: the case where the member has lost interest in the group and used
the "mark as spam" feature of their email interface rather than
unsubscribing. That advice is not uncommon - for example Yahoo Mail's
advice on the subject:

o Unsubscribe from mailing lists
At the bottom of any subscription based email there is an option to
unsubscribe. If you're not sure the email is legit, mark it as spam.

In short, guessing that if you say one thing, you mean another, and we'll do that (rather than what you said). Leading to the repeated 'Why have I been unsubscribed?' queries...

> Better to set them to 'no mail', ...
> ...
> There is the question of what to do about groups where 'no mail' is
> not allowed

As I've mentioned before, I would not propose a mechanism that changes
the user's Email Delivery setting - for that reason among others.
Instead I'd propose a new subscription status.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/6782

With a new Email Delivery setting ('Forced No Email'? - also for 'bouncing' members?), or a comment (Forced because...) attached to existing 'No-mail' option - because, as it is being changed, it needs to be reflected there, I'd be happy with this - and, on reflection, this (including changes to to E-mail delivery settings as described) probably is better than just setting to no mail.
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The only advantage (over the current "dismemberment" mechanism) that I
can see being gained by this extra complexity is that it converts the
member to effectively a web-only member of the group. And for some that
might be the best answer.

I would say that it is; and that it should be the default answer.

Jeremy

This idea is also posted in the "beta" group but it was suggested to post it here too.? ?A member there suggested we offer a short list of categories to illustrate and solicit opinions on how to keep it short and still be inclusive.? ?So here is a quick pass I made with 20 entries, sorted alphabetically including one for "other."?

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ
al (at) NN4ZZ (dot) com

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 06:57 am, Milt Baker wrote:

I wanted to enter my data in the owners database but do not find the button to enter new data!?

Click on the bright green "Add Row" button at the bottom of the page.

Bruce

Our group includes a database showing members, contact information, and more.? We moved over from Yahoo Groups in February, and now someone wants to create a new database record but cannot see how to do that.? That's not listed under Help, and I can't see how to do it either!??

Here's his request:

I wanted to enter my data in the owners database but do not find the button to enter new data!? In the original YAHOO database this was clear and easy.

Can anyone here point us in the right direction?

Many thanks!

Milt Baker, Nordhavn Owners Group

I just clicked on my name and it took me to the regular log in page.? Not sure why this is happening but just click on your name.??

Excellent, thank you Shal.

That is exactly what I wanted to hear.

Best
Pete

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 03:00 pm, Robert Schechter wrote:

This would NOT work for our group(s) and would force us to leave GIO!

Perhaps you could take the trouble to explain why, exactly.

This entire discussion is becoming uncomfortably polarised, and at the moment I can see no way out of the impasse. The number of responses to the poll is disappointingly small (0.021% of this Forum Membership) and would thus not really be any solid basis on which to make a formal #Suggestion, even if the majority of the tiny percentage is (at the time of writing) in favour of the suggested change.

OK; perhaps we leave things exactly as they are, but I suspect that the matter will crop again in another thread within weeks rather than months.

I am certain of a few points, though: relying on Owner & Moderators to try talk individual members tholugh sorting things on on a per occasion basis is unlikely to work*; simply re- enrolling either by members or Os & Ms without other remedial measures may look like a solution but it probably isn't - it's simply kicking the can down the road; much as we might wish or ask them to, members don't necessarily read any guidance published in wikis; not all members are sufficiently IT - savvy to either find a solution for themselves;? guidance offered - however well intentioned - might be incorrect because that guidance might need to be MSP specific particularly in the case of the less confident IT users.

* Partially a function of how many members a group has; we have >2900.

I would not want a "majority" to completely ignore the views of a "minority" in a matter like this; that said I am very uncomfortable with a minority trying to take the majority hostage by threatening to stomp off if things are made "different". At the moment Jeremy Harrison's amendment to my suggestion looks promising (assuming that it is technically practicable) but it doesn't seem to have attracted any clear support in the comments that followed.

Regards,

Chris

Thanks Shal, Everyone here was correct, 1+1 has to fix the actual problem.
I have a MINIMUM of five ways I can work around it if they do not.

Thanks for everyone's help and patience in this matter.
"Case Closed", Yea!!!

To remind everyone what the root problem IS:
Don't use the "Quick Reply" button.
Broken, at least for Groups.

Rick

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 07:39 pm, Paul Lurie wrote:

2. Could I procure (and pay if necessary) for assistance by experienced people in helping me to design a new Group site?

Mark Fletcher (the guy who runs this thing) might have something set up to provide enhanced technical support for Enterprise groups. You might try contacting him directly at [email protected]?to see what options (if any) are available.

Bruce

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 07:57 pm, Gerald Boutin wrote:

. I read it as deleting some functionality from an account.

Right, there should have been a hyphen -
"Delete-account functionality"

The caps should have made the parsing clear but didn't. :)
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Paul,

I am intrigued by Groups, especially the ability to organize members
of groups to opt to receive emal by topics.

There are a few ways to do this in Groups.io:

One way is to organize the members into subgroups; each subgroup has its own message archive.
/static/help#subgroups
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup

Another way is to encourage (or require) that messages be categorized with one or more Hashtags in the subject line. Members can choose to mute hashtags (or individual topics) that are not of interest to them.
/static/help#hashtags

A related way is to encourage members to make use of the Advanced Preferences in their Subscription. That allows them to Follow only certain topics or topics with certain Hashtags.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Help-Mock-up#Advanced-Preferences

1. Listservs put messages into a searchable archive which can use
Boolean. Groups seems to put messages in a file. Are they searchable?

Visit GMF's pages and you'll find our Messages section is searchable. However there are as yet no Boolean search operators.
/g/GroupManagersForum/topics

2. Could I procure (and pay if necessary) for assistance by
experienced people in helping me to design a new Group site?

GMF's resources are free, as is the advice of its members. Advertising services or products is not allowed here; any arrangements you might make with individuals for paid service would have to be done off-list.

Shal
GMF Owner
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Help: /static/help
More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 10:20 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 07:52 am, Gerald Boutin wrote:

?Sorry, I have to ask. What does "Delete Account functionality" mean?

The "Delete Account" button actually does something now.

Bruce

Thanks.

No wonder I was totally lost. I read it as deleting some functionality from an account.
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